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« on: September 12, 2024, 05:47:50 PM »
...at least until next summer - maybe.
Colorado switched over to the Fall blend of gasolines last week! My bike runs like it was just rebuilt, or something: so smooth, much quieter, no popping or hiccups when downshifting. It always runs fine until late May...
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2024, 06:00:34 PM »
What do they do to it? I've known about winter blend and summer blend in Las Vegas(the whole valley is in a mountain ringed bowl) but don't know the ins and outs about it.
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Re: WOOHOO! It's gone!
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2024, 06:08:25 PM »
They change the mixture here 4 times each year. This year, this miserable cheat of a governor FORGOT to renew the special exemption for ozone that the Colorado Front Range receives from the EPA, because we get most of California's and Nevada's ozone trapped here due to the Rockies warping the lower troposphere, dragging their high ozone levels onto us for many days each year. Since there was no exemption this year (or last, or the one before) the gasoline has to be modified so much that I have to choke the carbs for about 30-45 seconds on startup (which sends out MORE ozone...) and live with idles that range from nonexistent when the engine is cold to erratic at best when hot, all due to the gas in the carbs. Last week we went back to our normal blend for early Fall (until mid-November) and it runs perfectly again. It normally requires just 2-3 seconds of choke when cold overnight, and none after that for the rest of the day - like this week! :D
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Re: WOOHOO! It's gone!
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2024, 07:04:15 PM »
What’s the ethanol percentage?

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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2024, 07:28:11 PM »
"According to AAA, winter blend gas is cheaper than summer blend gas because it is able to contain more butane. Butane is less expensive compared to other gasoline ingredients but also helps your gas ignite in lower temperatures. However, this added butane makes the gas slightly less energy-efficient."
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Re: WOOHOO! It's gone!
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2024, 08:01:00 PM »
"According to AAA, winter blend gas is cheaper than summer blend gas because it is able to contain more butane. Butane is less expensive compared to other gasoline ingredients but also helps your gas ignite in lower temperatures. However, this added butane makes the gas slightly less energy-efficient."

If this propaganda were true: then winter MPG would be lower because of the butane.
But, my cars (Explorer 4.6 V-6, JEEP 4.0L Six, Escape V-6) ALL get better indicated MPG on their CPU displays in winter, even with warmups.
Hence, my problem with their published refinery 'statements' in these regards.

Added to that, I worked on [re]building the local refinery after they had a fire and met a number of VERY interesting people who work there, making the recipes. Since we are/were all [computer + PLC] programming nerds, we started sharing data and notes as needed to get things running again.
In a word: be very cautious about accepting 'statements' made on the part of any refinery by persons not working on it. Their statements are, in a word, political. ;)
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2024, 08:31:18 PM »
This is typical for green maniacs. They cause air pollution, poison everything with battery fabrication etc etc making our  world really bad. Our transportation too.
Idiots in charge is a global disease.
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Re: WOOHOO! It's gone!
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2024, 08:54:35 PM »
"According to AAA, winter blend gas is cheaper than summer blend gas because it is able to contain more butane. Butane is less expensive compared to other gasoline ingredients but also helps your gas ignite in lower temperatures. However, this added butane makes the gas slightly less energy-efficient."

If this propaganda were true: then winter MPG would be lower because of the butane.
But, my cars (Explorer 4.6 V-6, JEEP 4.0L Six, Escape V-6) ALL get better indicated MPG on their CPU displays in winter, even with warmups.

I agree that my 2014 Chevy Sonic turbo gets better MPG in the winter, but it's due to the cooler temps and higher air density, plus not having the drag of the AC. Also, I don't trust the indicated MPG; I've seen 99.9 displayed before. ;D I log the miles between fill-ups.
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2024, 07:05:50 AM »
"According to AAA, winter blend gas is cheaper than summer blend"....

I dont know if we get "winter blend" here, but filled up the wife's 370Z yesterday and it was cheap!


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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2024, 08:18:55 AM »
Wow! Your gas is $1 cheaper per gallon than here in AZ.
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2024, 05:18:47 PM »
Texas often has Much cheaper prices than AZ. Phoenix has near California gas prices and Tucson has a crazy summer blend that makes our fuel price not far behind.
So,Austin area 2.369/gal does not shock me
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2024, 08:05:58 PM »
"According to AAA, winter blend gas is cheaper than summer blend gas because it is able to contain more butane. Butane is less expensive compared to other gasoline ingredients but also helps your gas ignite in lower temperatures. However, this added butane makes the gas slightly less energy-efficient."

If this propaganda were true: then winter MPG would be lower because of the butane.
But, my cars (Explorer 4.6 V-6, JEEP 4.0L Six, Escape V-6) ALL get better indicated MPG on their CPU displays in winter, even with warmups.

I agree that my 2014 Chevy Sonic turbo gets better MPG in the winter, but it's due to the cooler temps and higher air density, plus not having the drag of the AC. Also, I don't trust the indicated MPG; I've seen 99.9 displayed before. ;D I log the miles between fill-ups.

That reminds me of those first install-it-yourself gizmos for showing fuel mileage (and other things, like manifold vacuum, etc.). My brother put one in his 1972 Mustang Mach I, circa 1973. It only had a 3-digit display with fixed decimal point for MPG and when he went down some of the long, steep (Missouri) mountain roads it would creep up until it reached 99.9 MPG when he'd put it in Neutral and kill the engine, leaving the key [back] on.

More often his 351CJ (with mods) would show 16.4 MPG. He said at 100(+) MPH it dropped to 10.0 MPG, though.

The 'fuel flowmeter' was a little circle of glass tubing containing a tiny ball, with an inlet and outlet port and a photoeye that the ball interrupted as it circled around when the fuel passed through it - 10ml at a time, I think it was? That 'flowmeter' got installed into the fuel line before the carb, "low in the engine compartment where it is cooler", per the instructions. At the time (1973) it was state-of-the-art! :)

One of his more interesting discoveries at the time was the varying MPG from low- and high-octane gasolines of various brands. He found the best MPG was NEVER obtained with the highest octane numbers, and the Sunoco 260 pumps with the 10-octane-increment blending lever on the pumps let him get up to 18.n MPG when he used 2 'steps' above the Regular grade (which was 2 steps above their lowest grade). His engine ran cooler then, too, which led both of us on 'quests' with our Fours (his was a CB500) and Sunoco fuels to see what we could find. I kinda wish we had that sort of flexible-fuel options today.
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2024, 12:37:30 AM »
My car also runs better winter time.
Cold air good for the turbo and all hoses from turbo to intercoolers -->inlet. It has a modified program for higher boost.
Much better throttle response. But not useful even if the car has permanent 4WD. I have to slow down/stop on slippery roads ;D

I have not heard about different mix for the Shell V-Power my car and bikes are fed with.

I have had thoughts about bad batches or if the gas station tank had condensed water.
Worse with higher mix of ethanol.
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Re: WOOHOO! It's gone!
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2024, 05:41:12 PM »
What’s the ethanol percentage?
The pumps are usually labelled as "Up to 10% ethanol".
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2024, 07:44:37 PM »
I saw a report on NBC news today from Katy, TX, where gas was $2.09/gal. The gist of the report was about how gas prices had suddenly dropped $.40/gal in some places.
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2024, 08:06:35 PM »
I saw a report on NBC news today from Katy, TX, where gas was $2.09/gal. The gist of the report was about how gas prices had suddenly dropped $.40/gal in some places.

Hmm...election year?
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2024, 08:21:19 PM »
They will try to claim credit for it...but it is the Sept switch to winter fuel...
Here our temps today was 99f , winter is a long way off with temps like that in Southern AZ, but a town near Flagstaff in Northern AZ had an overnight low of 32F. It had been just over 100 days since temps were that low there ...
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2024, 08:28:30 AM »
Around here gas is usually over $4 a gallon thanks to our idiot governor and his climate change policies and it doesn't matter what season of the year it is. >:(
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2024, 02:47:45 PM »
Around here gas is usually over $4 a gallon thanks to our idiot governor and his climate change policies and it doesn't matter what season of the year it is. >:(

Good thing you ride a motorcycle!
If I add together the MPG of my 2 vehicles, it is still less than the MPG of my 750. :D
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2024, 06:34:07 PM »
Around here gas is usually over $4 a gallon thanks to our idiot governor and his climate change policies and it doesn't matter what season of the year it is. >:(

Good thing you ride a motorcycle!
If I add together the MPG of my 2 vehicles, it is still less than the MPG of my 750. :D

My hotrod 85' GMC S15 daily driver only gets around 16mpg so the gas prices suck but I ain't giving up my hotrod. 8) Now that I'm starting to feel better after my recent radiation treatments I need to get my 72' MGB GT back on the road, it gets a little better mileage but not much the way I drive it.
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2024, 07:34:45 PM »
I have to feed my Mini Cooper S premium fuel because of the twin turbos, it gets decent mpg if I don't drive it like it has twin turbos and use the green mode and I will use cruise control a lot allowing me to average 32-36 mpg most of the time . But gas even with Costco being the cheapest around it is $3.60-3.75 / gallon for past 6-8 months.

Took a trip last November and a late start I wanted to take advantage of the nearly $0.10/gallon lower full cost in El Paso at the Costco there before it closed at 9pm. Well, I was cruising in NM in a open area at 85mph to 90mph and dang if I was not still seeing 36 mpg! My average speed for the nearly 2000 mile trip back to NE TN was 68mph and if you have taken trips you know how difficult that is to achieve. Trip computer for that distance reported 68 mph and 36.5 mpg. Oddly enough my return trip was at a lower speed as I wasn't in a rush and my gas mileage dropped to nearly 32 and average speed dropped to 58mph.
Louisiana strictly enforces their speed limits, just like in Smokey and the Bandit, and there were many more wrecks causing traffic delays on the return trip.
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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2024, 09:01:43 PM »
I also have to use premium in my 2012 Vette GS. Not turbo just higher compression. It's my economy car. Returning from Bonneville running around 85 it was up to 31.1mpg. That's the sweet spot for it.

Anyone want to buy this economy car? For sale currently. Goes on Bring A Trailer first week of October. New one coming.
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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2024, 09:04:06 PM »
What’s the ethanol percentage?
The pumps are usually labelled as "Up to 10% ethanol".

Anyone tried the 15% or 85%? Performance? Mileage?
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2024, 04:26:01 AM »
Interesting…but perhaps it should read winter fuel blends used in moderate temperatures…

The same performance benefits an engine enjoys from cold air densities are very counterintuitive to the air drag it causes that must be overcome in the winter temperatures…

Cold dense air requires the engine to work harder to push it through the cold dense air…

Some have reported a 2% increase in aerodynamic drag for every 10*drop in air temperature at highway speeds..

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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2024, 07:12:51 AM »
I also have to use premium in my 2012 Vette GS. Not turbo just higher compression. It's my economy car. Returning from Bonneville running around 85 it was up to 31.1mpg. That's the sweet spot for it.

Anyone want to buy this economy car? For sale currently. Goes on Bring A Trailer first week of October. New one coming.

Hey Jerry...how long have you had to wait for the BaT listing to go live? [I've heard it is up to two months]  Be prepared to answer a LOT of stupid questions from all the keyboard warriors that hang out there.

Are you getting a C8? I have two buddies that have them, you will love it!
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