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Offline cado007

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1976 honda cb750f super sport air screws
« on: September 15, 2024, 11:20:44 AM »
I have a 1976 honda cb750f super sport - 064a roundtop carbs- stock airbox filter and stock 4 into 1 muffler. Carbs were rebuilt with original Kehin brass - - needle set to middle or #3 position - 38 pilot 105 mains-. Started off air screws at 1 turn out and ran bad too rich- I am now at 2 and 1/4 turn out and changed to ngkd7es plugs from ngkd8es plugs. It now runs great. - idles great - pulls great. It actually pulled all through great even at one turn out just wouldn't hold idle. The plugs 7's are attached. They were clean( not new ) when I installed then rode 10 miles on interstate - did have to idle some before I got home then pulled and took pic. I ordered x24es-u denso plugs - but I am not sure if they are helping cause plug still looks rich as pic shows. It runs like a beast it has thru  all air screw settings just idles much better at 2.25 out. Also I have new coils. It did come with Daichi condensers - but there are no hiccups after 5000 rpms - I had it upon to 98 mph in 4th gear today and it felt like it would go much faster - a car was in front of me so I did not make the ton. It seems way faster than my 1978 Honda CB550 k. Anyway do I drive it like this for a while or keep turning screw out to maybe 3 turns or change the needle setting. Again right now the plugs looks rich and I am afraid it will eventually  foul and stall. I don't plan on keeping the ngk 7eas in as Hondaman says they can burn valves and frankly the d8eas looked about the same. Again new coils.  - cam chain adjusted - valves adjusted and timing is spot on.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks damon

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Re: 1976 honda cb750f super sport air screws
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2024, 10:02:31 PM »
Why 38 slows? Factory is 40.

Those plugs look like mine after I installed Keyster rebuild kits. The air screws were different. I have forgotten which but 1 set had holes through the ends. I switched back and all was good. It would seriously load up at slow speeds.
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Re: 1976 honda cb750f super sport air screws
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2024, 04:26:28 AM »
Hi Jerry ,
The 38s came with the bike when I got it. Mine also looks like it came from the factory with the muffler from the 77 model.
It is running like a beast with the plugs looking like that but i don't want to get all that carbon in the engine. This thing is so much more powerful than my 550k. I may try to move the needles to the 2 nd position and see if that leans it out. Also no holes in the  air screws.

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Re: 1976 honda cb750f super sport air screws
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2024, 02:44:50 AM »
You have me curious about the exhaust now. The 2 mufflers are different diameters. 2.25" F2/F3 and 2.5" F/F1. The headers are distinctly different.
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Re: 1976 honda cb750f super sport air screws
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2024, 08:00:11 PM »
If you adjust the 'idle screws' out further than 2 turns, there is no further mixture change. The operating range of the idle-mix screws is 1/2 to 1-1/2 turns, with only a 3%-4% increase out beyond 1-1/2 turn, which is wide open at 1-3/4 turn.

The mixture gets richer as the screws are turned outward.

If it won't idle or run correctly at 1.0 turn out, + or -1/4 turn either way from there, then something is amiss elsewhere and needs to be found. With the 064a carbs I'd suggest looking at the holes in the emulsifiers, make sure they are not sedimented in (makes them smaller) with the white paste that can occur from moisture getting into ethanol-laced fuels: it then binds to the brass in the carbs and shrinks the hole sizes. Those holes should be 0.0345" for the larger ones and 0.025" for the smaller ones: with ethanol-laced fuels the larger ones work better at larger size, like 0.0375" to 0.039" instead. You can poke out the white crusty stuff with a stiff wire, don't have to pull the carbs (just the bowls and the emulsifiers). Also check the emulsifier holes on the idle jets to make sure they are clear: if the pilot jets are not Keihin (but Keyster instead) then there will be 3 pair of holes instead of 4 pair. This makes the Keyster idle run richer than it should, so then the air screw needs to turn inward a bit more.

The 750F0/1 cam opens the intake valve at 0 degrees TDC (instead of the +5 degrees of the 550k engines) so the bottom end torque will feel different from the 550 in that it will be more sudden at takeoff. It 'comes on' at about 3000-ish RPM, too, instead of 5500 RPM like in the 550K. This difference is due to the intake tract being much shorter than the 550's version.
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Re: 1976 honda cb750f super sport air screws
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2024, 12:07:44 AM »


The 750F0/1 cam opens the intake valve at 0 degrees TDC (instead of the +5 degrees of the 550k engines) so the bottom end torque will feel different from the 550 in that it will be more sudden at takeoff. It 'comes on' at about 3000-ish RPM, too, instead of 5500 RPM like in the 550K. This difference is due to the intake tract being much shorter than the 550's version.
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Do you mean the 750K where you put the 550K? Just seems odd having the 550K brought into the 750 F0/F1 issues.
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Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
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1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
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New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
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Re: 1976 honda cb750f super sport air screws
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2024, 12:45:24 AM »


The 750F0/1 cam opens the intake valve at 0 degrees TDC (instead of the +5 degrees of the 550k engines) so the bottom end torque will feel different from the 550 in that it will be more sudden at takeoff. It 'comes on' at about 3000-ish RPM, too, instead of 5500 RPM like in the 550K. This difference is due to the intake tract being much shorter than the 550's version.
Mark
Do you mean the 750K where you put the 550K? Just seems odd having the 550K brought into the 750 F0/F1 issues.
Read the opening post.....the starter compares those two.

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Re: 1976 honda cb750f super sport air screws
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2024, 01:45:02 AM »


The 750F0/1 cam opens the intake valve at 0 degrees TDC (instead of the +5 degrees of the 550k engines) so the bottom end torque will feel different from the 550 in that it will be more sudden at takeoff. It 'comes on' at about 3000-ish RPM, too, instead of 5500 RPM like in the 550K. This difference is due to the intake tract being much shorter than the 550's version.
Mark
Do you mean the 750K where you put the 550K? Just seems odd having the 550K brought into the 750 F0/F1 issues.
Read the opening post.....the starter compares those two.
Ah yes, when I went back to reread the original post in the wee hours of this morning, I didn't catch the 550 mention of power comparison to the 750.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A