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Offline itsahonda4

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cB350F issues
« on: October 06, 2024, 11:11:27 AM »
Hey all, I’ve acquired a very nice barn find cb350F and it developed poor running symptoms so I decided I’d refresh the engine with a bore deglaze and new stock pistons and wrings. Clearances are all well within stock measurements.
At the same time I replaced the camchain, valve seals, all other seals and one bad valve that had some degradation of the sealing edge. Bike has 17000 km (about 11000 miles+|-.
I also replaced the points and condensers with stock parts and have Dyna coils and 8mm wires with new NGK plug caps and (now) new D8EA spark plugs . I originally had DR8SL plugs fitted.
I’ve also rebuilt the carbs using all Honda parts but left the original jets in place after a good cleanup.
When installing the carbs the actuator ring broke off the choke shaft so I refitted it in the original stock position and silver soldered it in place. Needle is in the middle position and idle screw is 2 turns out. New genuine Honda filter fitted.
Bike wouldn’t start after the rebuild and #1 son pointed out that I needed non resister spark plugs so I installed the D8EA plugs and it started right away .
It’s blowing black and white smoke like a badly tuned Kawi triple and is cutting in and out on acceleration and the plugs are covered in soft black soot. It’s not oily but very dry and clearly it’s rich mixture (or ignition) related.
Spark is very strong even through the soot. Timing is set statically on the mark for both 1,4 and 2,3 cylinders and advancer is loose and free turning.

Initially I thought the choke was maybe slowly turning itself on so I tightened the shaft so that there is lots of friction between the shaft and the handle by tightening the 9mm nut that ‘manages’ the friction. So that’s not the problem, I think. ……..
What am I missing? Help and opinions please…..

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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2024, 12:38:50 PM »
I agree, it sounds very rich, which is usually a carb problem, but first I would remove the air filter and check that it then runs better and revs all the way around towards the red. Then I'd take a close look at the choke mech to make 100% sure the flaps are opening fully, after that recheck float heights (21mm hopefully)

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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2024, 01:10:44 PM »
Try turning the idle-mix screws to the stock 7/8 turn setting. This will lean out the idle (up to 3500 RPM) mixture for you.
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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2024, 01:20:08 PM »
Yep I’ve checked the choke plates and they are fully open (ie flat across the middle of the carbs) as that was the first thing I thought of…
Doesn’t the pilot (when the adjuster is in front of the slide meaning it’s between the slide and the air filter) give more air when wound out? Or the other way around? Either way I’ll take it back to 7/8 and try that tomorrow morning when I’m at my workshop.
Thanks for the input.
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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2024, 05:49:43 PM »
Screw on the motor side is a fuel screw and out is richer and in is leaner. Screw on the air box side is an air screw so out is leaner and in is richer.
Hope that helps you.
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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2024, 07:58:18 AM »
Yep so 2 turns out is leaner which make the sooty plugs even more baffling….gggrrrrr…..

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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2024, 08:31:59 AM »
Is the air intake free? A forgotten cloth under the seat?
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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2024, 08:39:03 AM »
Altitude?

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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2024, 02:03:33 PM »
Intake is free, altitude is about 2000’ and 1000 miles inland.

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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2024, 07:56:39 PM »
I’m gonna rip the carbs off and go back to square one and strip them down to the last part and get them ultrasonically cleaned agin….

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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2024, 09:12:11 AM »
Screw on the motor side is a fuel screw and out is richer and in is leaner. Screw on the air box side is an air screw so out is leaner and in is richer.
Hope that helps you.
Perhaps you are thinking of a different model carb.... on my 350F (1972) there are no screws on the motor side.

I'll comment in another thread about my carb float level saga..... agree the clear tube method is the only way to be sure where you're at.......
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,195105.0.html

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Re: cB350F issues
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2024, 02:15:37 PM »
Screw on the motor side is a fuel screw and out is richer and in is leaner. Screw on the air box side is an air screw so out is leaner and in is richer.
Hope that helps you.
Perhaps you are thinking of a different model carb.... on my 350F (1972) there are no screws on the motor side.

I'll comment in another thread about my carb float level saga..... agree the clear tube method is the only way to be sure where you're at.......
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,195105.0.html

I think he meant for various different model carbs/bikes.