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Offline SantaFeHonda

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'77 cb750 brake drags
« on: October 26, 2024, 10:40:42 AM »
I am working on the front brakes on my 750 and find that the brake pads are dragging on the disc. I removed the caliper, cleaned everything, and reassembled it. It is a little better but still drags. I tried the Clymer manual's adjustment process but can't get free rotation. The pads look to be almost new. Can I sand down the "fixed" pad to gain some adjustment clearance?

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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2024, 11:15:47 AM »
The disc brakes always drag a tiny bit, which is designed to keep them free of water when riding in the rain. This is true of nearly all disc brake systems.
Is yours dragging a whole lot? If so, it may be time to replace the square (cross-section) Oring inside the moving caliper. They are 50 years old now and don't flex (nor grip) very well anymore.

The way these brakes work is: when you squeeze the lever the moving puck slides outward to grip the disc, but the O-ring around it deforms slightly rhombically to act as its 'spring. Then when you let go of the lever, the Oring returns to a square cross-section shape, pulling the puck back about 0.004" or so to clear th disc. But - if the O-ring has become too old and stiff (which all have by now) then it will just let the moving puck slide thru it instead, and the puck never retracts from the disc.

The inner puck (toward the center of the wheel) doesn't do this: it just sits in place while the moving puck pivots the whole arm and pulls the inner puck toward the back side of the disc until the moving puck retreats. But, again, if the moving puck can't retreat because the O-ring is too old, it just stays there and drags.
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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2024, 12:04:09 PM »
That groove for the rubber seal needs to be super clean. I had to clean mine twice several years ago to get it right.

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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2024, 12:07:01 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean by the "square (cross-section) Oring inside the moving caliper.". I had the assembly off the bike and all I saw was a puck and the piston. Am I missing something?

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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2024, 12:30:45 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean by the "square (cross-section) Oring inside the moving caliper.". I had the assembly off the bike and all I saw was a puck and the piston. Am I missing something?
With the active side off and still hooked to the master cylinder, pump the piston out(over a bucket). You will see the seal in the bore, in the groove. Carefully remove the seal. The groove needs to be Carefully scraped out. Old brake fluid hardens up and keeps the seal from allowing the piston to fully retract.
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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2024, 12:52:53 PM »
Cool, thanks. I kind of thought I hadn't gotten everything out of the caliper. The thing is really stuck. Also, where can I get that O-ring from? I can't find a part number for it.

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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2024, 01:49:46 PM »
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Also, where can I get that O-ring from? I can't find a part number for it.

Yea, you can, you just need to look and do some easy leg work.

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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2024, 02:43:57 PM »
Yes Mr. Newday777, my bad. I will always put the "K" in there from now on. Thanks for the assistance. It was an adventure but I did get the piston and seal out. Now it's just getting the new seal here. Santa Fe has no Honda motorcycle dealers or parts service.





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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2024, 02:55:57 PM »
Order it in the link
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2024, 05:45:27 PM »
Has anyone dealt with a company called Brakecrafters? They have the seal for about $6.00. Too good to be true?

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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2024, 05:54:29 PM »
Has anyone dealt with a company called Brakecrafters? They have the seal for about $6.00. Too good to be true?
I would say NOT. Honda invented the disc brake for these bikes when there were not any standards, and most of the parts then either 'led the way' for others, or became unobtainium after the 1990s. It wasn't until about 2005 or so that we got Honda to re-issue some of these brake parts. ;)
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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2024, 10:30:13 PM »
There were only 2 different seals fitted on the 750, early one same as 500 four and twin, 400 four and 360 twin which is cheap and an odd one on the late 750 single sisc which is bigger and more expemsive.
If there is any pitting on the piston surface you need to replace that as well
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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2024, 04:28:27 PM »
Is the design similar to the earlier 750s? i.e. Does the 77 K 750 have the sprung swinging arm to apply the fixed inner pad?

If so, I cured my binding front brake by removing and servicing the pivot of that alloy swing arm. It had got dirty and crusty and was stiff. I gave it a clean and polish, greased it up and gave it new o-rings. Works a treat now.

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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2024, 06:39:20 PM »
Is the design similar to the earlier 750s? i.e. Does the 77 K 750 have the sprung swinging arm to apply the fixed inner pad?

If so, I cured my binding front brake by removing and servicing the pivot of that alloy swing arm. It had got dirty and crusty and was stiff. I gave it a clean and polish, greased it up and gave it new o-rings. Works a treat now.

Excellent advice!
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See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Re: '77 cb750 brake drags
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2024, 04:51:59 AM »
Is the design similar to the earlier 750s? i.e. Does the 77 K 750 have the sprung swinging arm to apply the fixed inner pad?

If so, I cured my binding front brake by removing and servicing the pivot of that alloy swing arm. It had got dirty and crusty and was stiff. I gave it a clean and polish, greased it up and gave it new o-rings. Works a treat now.

Excellent advice!
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