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silly tips and tricks
« on: December 29, 2024, 04:54:40 PM »
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 If you are assembling a transmission in a cb750 case, be sure the shift fork shaft has the hollow end facing the shifter side. A tab needs to go into it. Follow me for more hard learned tips and tricks.
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 When you have already assembled the shifter shaft facing the wrong way and the cases are sealed and torqued, you may use a center drill to begin to drill a hole and if you are lucky, use the next size up drill to grab the new hole in the shaft and spin that "backwards facing thing" out far enough to pull it all the way out and somehow gently re-install without losing the shift forks inside.
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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2024, 05:03:31 PM »
Don…. Nice save!

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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2024, 07:02:39 PM »
  L0L thanks John, I'd rather have used that luck on a lotto ticket, but I'll take what luck I can get.
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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2024, 09:46:29 AM »
I wish I'd thought of that one, Don!
I won't tell you how MANY times I've done that. It's my secret...
But I can say that laying the engine carefully over on its side to try pulling that shaft out to turn it around...doesn't work.



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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2024, 10:11:45 AM »
 The other thing that made me happy was when I shifted this beast from 5th down to 1 and found N for assembling the rest of the rest of the ratchet mechanism. I quickly declared victory and turned off the lights so I could end the day on a win.
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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2024, 02:01:06 PM »
How fast were you going when you shifted from 5th to 1st?


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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2024, 05:31:44 PM »
How fast were you going when you shifted from 5th to 1st?

 As fast as my hand could turn the flywheel! It was in increments of one gear at a time though. I got the shifter ratchet all of the way on and it actually works.


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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2025, 04:40:04 PM »
Tips & tricks:
-During 750 tuneups I'll remove the #4 intake tappet cover and kick the engine over until that tappet starts to go down. That's where I release the cam chain tensioner's lockbolt to apply chain tension. I also use the points cover's screw to push on the tensioner rod, as they are often stuck. The screw is the perfect length, handy to use.
- Cheating-in points gaps: I lay a 0.014" feeler gage into the points, loosen the mounting screw, then gently snug it back down with the highest point of the cam under the rubbing foot. Then do the other. More times than not, this puts the points almost dead-on under the timing light (if they are not Daiichi points).
- Installing modern tires on these rims: after they have been crowbarred onto the rim I apply oil to the bead area all the way around on both sides, then inflate to 60 PSI to lube the rim. Then I deflate to about 5-7 PSI and beat on the tire with a [large] rubber mallet all the way around the wheel to help the bead work itself outward. I repeat this then at 20 PSI, then go back to 50 PSI to check the indicators all around the wheel of even seating. Then I'll deflate to the PSI I want. Modern tires are all designed to run tubeless, so their beads are much stronger than the old tires.
- I've pulled off a few drive-chain sideplates by grinding away their staked-down pins, and I keep 1 or 2 in the toolkit of the bike. Then when installing the masterlink on the drive chain I'll put the chain onto the rear sprocket, slide in the masterlink and add it's cover plate, then add the old sideplate on top of the pins and use Visegrips to seat the pins into the new link by pressing the old sideplate right over the pins on each side of the link in 3 small steps, to alternating sides of the link. The old sideplate is then easy to remove and leaves the masterlink plate pressed al the way down so the clip can be installed.
- When spray-lubing the drive chain I lay a piece of cardboard or paper under the middle of the chain and spray right thru the chain onto the paper/board while spinning the wheel. This applies the lube where it is needed most, takes just 2 revs of the chain, and ensures it will spread evenly within 1 block of riding with the least throw-off (on you?).
- Lube the chain when you park the bike for winter. Don't wait until Spring for this move.
- Magic tire inflation pressures: to get the perfect pressure for you, your load, and your bike, start with cold tires. Measure the air PSI, then ride at least 2 miles, stop wherever that is and measure PSI again. If it is +2 PSI from the previous reading you are spot-on. If it rises MORE than +2 PSI then inflate an additional 2 PSI, wait for the tires to fully cool, and repeat. If the pressure is LESS than +2 PSI, drop off 2 PSI of the warm-tire reading and repeat the test from cold. At the end I add +1 PSI to the 'perfect' pressure because I tend to [try to] corner hard and this supports the sidewalls of the metric tires slightly better. It didn't work that way with the old tire carcass designs, though.
- Flip the front drive sprocket every 5000 miles, the rear twice that much, and leave the chain in the same direction as before. Every 2nd time you do this, flip the chain inside-out so it runs the other way against the sprockets. I got nearly 50k miles from 1 chain and 1 pair of sprockets twice that way: 100k+ miles with just 2 chains and 2 sets of sprockets on a CB750 is a rare achievement! The tires were changed out more often.
- In wintertime storage, add 2 ounces of oil to the gas in the full fuel tank. Drop by and visit the bike every 2 weeks or sooner and open the fuel petcock for 5 minutes, then reclose it. When Spring comes it will be ready to start right up (if the battery is good) and ride off, just as soon as you reinflate the tires.
- At end-of-season, change the sparklugs. Don't put it off. Use a propane torch to clean off the old ones and keep them as spares. Grease the plug's threads on installation.
- If you lock the steering column during winter storage (or even if you don't), turn the bars fully to the left. This will reduce kinking in the tach-drive cable and extend its life. This was SOP in our sales shop back in the day.
- If you park the bike on its centerstand for winter, make 2 props out of 1x2 wood and prop the front tire up in the air, too. This will prevent that tire from developing a flat spot over the winter. Check/inflate the tires to +2 PSI over the normal pressure(s) for the storage time and check it each month for that PSI. If you have Chinese-made tubes they will slowly leak air: consider getting some Michelin tubes over the winter and make your own body-building program by changing those tubes out before Spring. The Michelins don't leak hardly at all over the whole winter.
- If you tires are worn out, get them swapped during January or February. The tire inventories are getting better by then. If you try for new tires in Springtime you may not be able to get the ones you want because everyone else wants those then, too. Around here it takes 2 days to have the shop change tires in January, but 3 weeks in April.

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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2025, 07:06:55 AM »
Great tips! Thanks. What “ oil” do you use around tire beads when mounting? Any concerns about tires rotating on the rims during an emergency stop? I usually use what’s handy in the shop, some spray on Windex.

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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2025, 10:58:14 AM »
 I've been using silicone lube spray on the beads, it seems to evaporate away after use.
 
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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2025, 01:04:32 PM »
Recently read a suggestion on the internet for home made tire lube (during installation). Mixed a few drops of dish soap with a 1/4 cup of old antifreeze coolant I’d drained out of the GL1000 a few months ago. Rubbed it on the tire bead and it slid on very easily!

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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2025, 03:00:38 AM »
  #1
 If you are assembling a transmission in a cb750 case, be sure the shift fork shaft has the hollow end facing the shifter side. A tab needs to go into it.

  Get your lucky self a cold beverage.

I have always assembled the bottom part first. Possible to test all gears before assemble the top cover.

I have found the flipped fork shaft in time ;D

Bubble plast as rod support to get all 4 aiming upwards does not need a pair of extra hands during assembly. Take it out direct when docked.

Ready for docking. The ring halves on bearings a moment that has always caused worries. Never that one had fallen off.

Clear bench from extra parts. I have found the ring inside the final big seal on the bench afterwards, everything tightened and sealed. I had photos with ring in place that saved the day.

# A good tip is to take photos at each step during disassembly as well as assembly.
I have got second thoughts about o-rings when head and cam with rockers are tightened.

Photos can show all o-rings and knock pins in place from bottom to top.

Washers in gearbox another detail, the washer close to the primary  hub on gearbox side....



Another miss... I have forgot the cam chain slider that I found out when time for the head to go on.
I could lift the cylinder after making sure all pistons are located in the middle of the strokes to avoid rings popping out.

Put the slider in place and carefully place its lower metal pin thru the slider hole without dropping it inside ;D
A small magnet on a flexible arm will fix that if it happens. 
I have blocked the escape ways for the pin with a cloth as I do when the piston clips are going in.

Warning!
I have noticed that my oily fingers can attract small things as washers that will fall off over the head as bombs when working with top end.

Screwdrivers can often do this too when they can be magnetized.

Always a cloth blocking cam chain tunnel and smaller paper or cloth plugs for spark plug holes.

I have lost count of how many times these small things have tried to fall inside the engine.
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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2025, 11:52:44 AM »
  I have a low mile 77K with an F tank and seat that does not shift into 5th. We re-assembled the engine upside down and could not check the shifting. It had a broken thrust washer that we replaced but failed to check the shift forks.
  For some reason I never assembled the shift mechanism before joining the cases. I did this time, my K6/F2 transmission motor that I intended to put the turbo on is pre-assembled except no cam chain or rods, the rods will be the MTC steel ones that were in the previous turbo engine. A package of plasti-gauge fell out of somewhere and landed on the shop floor. I'll take that as a sign.
 
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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2025, 12:32:13 PM »
  I have a low mile 77K with an F tank and seat that does not shift into 5th.
Does the seat shift thru all the other gears OK?
:D ;)

BTW: I've seen this happen when swapping transmissions into non-native cases. Most of the time it was later trannies (F2/3 type) going into old (K4-5) cases because of the closer-ratio gearbox being desired: the issue has to do with those shim washers on the left end of the mainshaft. They come in 3 thicknesses (including 0.0mm in assembly) to prevent the whole mainshaft from sliding away from the shift forks when going into 5th - this then loses 5th gear, usually making it a Neutral. There is supposed to be less than 0.1mm of 'slop' in the mainshaft gears against the left-side of the cases.
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2025, 04:59:48 PM »
  I have a low mile 77K with an F tank and seat that does not shift into 5th.
Does the seat shift thru all the other gears OK?
:D ;)

BTW: I've seen this happen when swapping transmissions into non-native cases. Most of the time it was later trannies (F2/3 type) going into old (K4-5) cases because of the closer-ratio gearbox being desired: the issue has to do with those shim washers on the left end of the mainshaft. They come in 3 thicknesses (including 0.0mm in assembly) to prevent the whole mainshaft from sliding away from the shift forks when going into 5th - this then loses 5th gear, usually making it a Neutral. There is supposed to be less than 0.1mm of 'slop' in the mainshaft gears against the left-side of the cases.

 It had a broken thrust washer that I found in the oil pan, I removed one from a parts trans and put it in. Since we removed the bottom of the motor, I didn't get it shifting through the gears before re-inserting it into the case. It almost goes into 5th but then pops back out. I now assume the broken thrust washer was accompanied by a bent shift fork. I'm not positive the washer was installed in the right place now that I look at the exploded parts diagram with more educated eyes.
  It does go through the first 4 gears up and down nicely. I honestly considered putting some tall sprockets on it and calling it a 4 speed. L0L!

 I do have an F2 transmission in a K6 case, I'll re-check the shifting smoothness into 5th before adding the top end. It's intended for the raked turbo Dragbike frame.
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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2025, 09:53:50 AM »
I plan to plant a late trans in a late K2 case, K5 in USA.
The final shaft is K, sprocket  K7/8.
I'll check the gears before closing the cases. Verify the washers and main shaft after reading this.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: silly tips and tricks
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2025, 10:37:12 AM »
  The PO was a motorcycle mud drags guy, he had plenty of other bikes and didn't want to repair it.
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