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« on: March 21, 2007, 07:13:10 PM »
Several have written me (again), asking about improving MPG on the 750 and 500 (no one with 550s have asked!).
My first thoughts are usually, "If your MPG is low, your engine may be seriously worn..." because these engines can lose compression without burning oil, so no telltale signs like that may appear.

But, if your engine's OK, try these little things:
1. Bend in the "ears" on the spark advancer a little to limit the total spark advance. It should advance just a couple of degrees less than the first advanced mark when revved to 2500 RPM. Then, adjust the static (idle) timing to make up the difference. This results in slightly more advance at idle, more than the stock timing marks (you may find this impossible to do with Hitachi points, however, at .014" gap).
2. After doing 1.) above, cut off 1/2 turn of the advancer's springs and bend a new end coil on them, and reinstall. This will let you run on the crummiest gas you can find, and will remove some of the "suddenness" at the low end, smoothing it out a little.
3. If you ride highway with heavy loads and 2-up, drop 1 tooth on the countersprocket to 17 teeth. The 18-tooth sprocket is overgearing for a maximum load, and can cost you MPG, especially in non-flat country. You can test this by running in 4th gear for a while instead of 5th, then check your MPG. If it's better, change that sprocket (like I did).
4. Open up the spark plug gap to .030" or more, especially with Dyna coils. Although testing is not yet complete, early indications are that my new electronic ignitions will allow this with even stock Honda coils, with good results. (I'll let you all know later.)
5. If you seldom ride highway speeds for at least 5 miles on every trip, try using D7 plugs. They will stay cleaner and will improve startup.

And, check your tires' pressures, dragging brakes, bad chains, all the usual suspects....  8)
« Last Edit: March 21, 2007, 07:17:31 PM by heffay »
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Re: MPG
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2007, 07:39:13 PM »
40+ and I'm happy.  Thanks for the tip tho, HM!

By the way, anyone ever do a HICE conversion??  Seems to me, with the right sized pre-chamber and hydrogen/oxygen mixture/pressures, that the SOHC/4 is ripe to lead the way to this technology.  Maybe it's just the beer talk'n.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2007, 09:54:14 PM »
I was thinking the same thing. Regulating the H2 is the tough part, though.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2007, 04:20:57 AM »
hi
I own a 750F1.  I spent alot of time trying to improve the mileage. From the factory it was terrible. Got 38 mpg hiway.

I made gains in the following areas:

     * lowered the needles 1 notch as they were too rich from the factory  (sooty plugs and pipe) This
        was worth about 7 mpg but it is unlikely too many other peoples bikes are set up wrong
 

     * added high output coils   and opened up the plug gaps.  Worth 4-5 mpg.  Bigger plug
        gaps are good if you have the spark.  (I had found this on other Hondas as well... mpg gains were
        always possible with better coils.  Cycle magazine had a series of articles about this topic in the late 70s)

     * changed the rear sprocket for touring from 48 to 43 teeth.   5th gear was like overdrive.

In the end, with these changes, I would consistently get in the mid 50s on the highway at 65 mph.  I had a half fairing for awhile and once hit 59 mpg at 60 mph on a long trip with it.  If I had followed this further, aerodynamics would have been the next place to go as I am effectively a barn door on the bike at 6' and 200 #.

Speaking of air,  how fast you drive is definitely a factor.  The horsepower (therefore gas) required goes up as the CUBE of the speed, I believe, so 70 vs 65 IS noteworthy

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Re: MPG
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2007, 05:59:57 AM »
Being a 550 owner, are the above good guidelines?  They seem logical but do they translate to the 550?  My understanding is that the 550s have always had much lower mpg than the 750s.  I seem to get around 32-36 mpg, but I am mostly city riding...and that's after a tune up.  Only about 100 miles before the reserve has to kick in.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2007, 06:37:12 AM »
Had a girl friend with a 1976  550 F  (4-1 header).  It was in the 40s until we opened up the airbox to get better flow and put a K&N filter in.  Then it go in the 50s.  I dont remember the details of the airbox but there are airflow gains to be had there.
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2007, 07:48:25 AM »
My 78 750K used to get about 45 mpg. I have to completely tear apart the carbs and clean them. well it gets between 35 - 40 right now but I have not been able to get the time to fine tune my fuel screws. Once I do that, I will probably be at 45 again. I am also going to the dyna-s this spring and I am sure with that, it will increase a bit. I still have the stock coils so the effect will not be as pronounced but I dont have money to throw at a whole new set up right now. I should then be abel to go back to the D8 plugs too.

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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2007, 09:28:12 AM »
Hey HondaMan!  consider this your official request for information about improving the fuel economy on 550s!

I rode my 550 for a bit over three hundred miles on Sunday (see my thread in tour reports) at various speeds that are probably representative of my usual riding. I calculated 45 mpg on a 78 550K with 28000 miles. It's entirely possible that the engine is worn. It is a bit noisy at idle,(clunky, low pitched noises) but nice and quiet and even at speed.

I live at 7200 feet above sea level, so that will likely have an effect on my fuel consumption (Less dense air at altitude means a richer mixture, right?)  My plugs look consistently tan every time I've had them out, so I think my mixture is roughly right.

I'd be willing to give up some power in return for better economy. Any ideas?
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2007, 09:36:30 AM »
I am currently going through a total rebuild on my 73 CB 750 with and 836 kit, mild cam.  Any thought on how bad this will effect the MPG.  Curious if anyone else has done this and their results...
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Re: MPG
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2007, 10:48:10 AM »
Being a 550 owner, are the above good guidelines?  They seem logical but do they translate to the 550?  My understanding is that the 550s have always had much lower mpg than the 750s.  I seem to get around 32-36 mpg, but I am mostly city riding...and that's after a tune up.  Only about 100 miles before the reserve has to kick in.

Modify the 550.
 I was getting about 26 mpg stock and went to 591cc, cam, porting K&N filters, exhaust etc.
Mpg improved to 41.5 average and around 32~33 mpg using most of the rpm
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Re: MPG
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2007, 11:40:10 AM »
i get around 50 mpg on my '76 550F. wouldn't mind a bit more, but i'm sure as hell not complaining.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2007, 12:04:19 PM »
I guess getting 45, I shouldn't complain either. On my first tank on sunday, during which I had a bit slower average speed, I think I was getting in the range of 55-60 mpg. The average for the trip dropped drastically on the second half of the trip, which involved much higher speeds. (And more significant headwinds.)

I guess I can't help comparing fuel consumption of any vehicle I drive to my gas miser 2004 Honda Civic. Logic tells me that a lightweight bike with half the displacement should far outperform the car with a larger engine and a full body to carry around. While my 550 (45 mpg) DOES outperform the Civic (41 mpg) a bit, I would expect a much greater difference.

I realize I'm comparing apples and oranges, in so many ways, but I can't help making the comparison, nonetheless.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2007, 02:37:16 PM »
Fuel economy tips for the CB550.

Slightly over inflate tires.  Less rolling resistance = better fuel economy.
Wide tires have more wind resistance.  Soft rubber rolls with more resistance than hard rubber.  Narrow tires with high mileage ratings should also have better fuel economy.  Cheng Shins might just be the best choice for a fuel economy goal.  Though, I would seriously consider some of the Continentals for the MPG goal, as I've had some very long wearing front Continentals on the CB550.   I think Michelin touts a high mileage tire that could be a furtherance toward the MPG goal, as well.  But, I don't have experience with those.  A radial tire is also desireable from a mileage/MPG standpoint, too.  Again, I haven't tried this but the theory is sound.  However, I don't think the SOHC4 was suspension tuned for a radial tire. It is a pity that tire manufactureres don't routinely distribute meaningful data such as rolling resistance.

Keep a clean or new stock air filter. Or, better yet a slightly less restrictive Uni Air filter, kept clean of course.
Let your plug deposits be your guide.  The lighter the tan, the better for fuel economy.  But, avoid white insulator appearance.  Altitude is also a consideration.  As these carbs do not compensate for pressure differences with altitude, if you tune your mixture for optimal burn at say 5000 ft above sea level.  Then driving down to sea level may put your bike at risk for detonation.  <--- very bad for engine.

Open the spark gap to .030 -.032.   More is better for fuel economy.  If you have the stock points you may need to shorten the service interval to maintain the mileage improvement.  If you start getting engine miss, it's tuneup time for sure.

Idle air bleed screws, IMS screw adjustment:  These tune the idle circuits for a mixture balance between economy and throttle response.  If you open the Air bleed screws, you will improve economy at idle settings.   However, this will also effect how the bike responds to twist of throttle from low speed.  Turn the Air bleeds out till you can't stand the throttle response.
The 77-78 models have IMS screws, these were factory tuned for emissions/economy during idle.  But, turning them in reduces fuel flow.
The idle circuits flow fuel at all throttle settings.  They don't contribute much, percentage wise, at high throttle settings, but it is still a contribution.  Reducing it improves fuel economy.

Float levels:  Lower fuel levels in the carbs, translate to leaner mixtures across the throttle range.  Watch those plug deposit colors!

Don't use engine braking.  It sucks more fuel through the carbs than an engine simply running at idle RPM.

Exhaust:  Almost all performance exhaust is intended to scavenge as much as it can from the cylinder during the exhaust cycle.  This includes any unburned hydrocarbons (fuel).   A restrictive exhaust holds some of these in, to be burned during the power cycle.  The best I've found for the 550 is the stock F model 4 into 1 muffler.  All my F models get better fuel economy than the early 4 into 4s or any other aftermarket exhaust I've encountered for the 550.  They also have the smallest orifice main jet of any of the early model carb equipped 550s.  Of all the early model carbs, the F model's 069A carb have the best potential for fuel economy, provided the exhaust can match it. 
The 77-78 model carbs have even smaller main jets to go with the stock 4 into 4s for those years.  These 4 into 4s were even more restrictive than the earlier 4 into 4s and quieter, too. This setup has the best potential for fuel economy than any of the CB550 models.
I don't know of any aftermarket exhaust that claimed or realized economy as a performance benefit.  Generally speaking, a loud exhaust is almost certainly worse for fuel economy due to its lack of restriction.

Gearing:  Go up a tooth on the front, or use the 500 rear sprocket of 34T vs the 37 T of the stock 550.  Although, spending more time in the lower gears can easily negate any benefit from this.  Further, if your vehicle loads are high, sprocket changes can reduce you mileage rather than improve it, as reduced engine RPM may put it in a range where the engine can't make enough power to overcome rolling resistance, wind resistance, and vehicle load.

Keep Chain well lubed.  A dry, stiff, chain eats more horspower than a smooth flexible one.

Thinner oil takes less HP to drive the oil pump, and interferes less with the meshing gears in the trans.
If you are using 20-50 now, go to 10-40.

Reduce electrical load:  The alternator drag takes energy from the crankshaft.  The harder the alternator works, the more drag and horsepower are need to spin it.  If you've added electrical load to the stock configuration (Higher wattage headlights, more running lights or replaced with higher wattage bulbs, radio, heaters, etc.  You can expect that to have some impact on fuel economy.  If you have a lighting switch, simply turning it off should help.  However, safety and some state laws prohibit that.

Dragging brakes.  Not much to worry about for the rear unless it is seriously maladjusted to provide extra drag.  But, that front disc can drag a lot.  Jack up the bike and give that front wheel a spin.  Any resistance you feel is robbing your fuel economy.  Address as appropriate.

Use 1970s fuel.  :-)  Climb into your wayback machine and bring back the actual fuel these things were designed run well using.  Be carefull with the dates on your currency.
My 74 routinely got 45-50MPG on trips back in the early days.  40-45 is more likely what I get today.  Part of it I'm sure is the engine is more worn and tired.  But, I think the bulk of it is caused by gasoline reformulation.
My mileage noticeably dropped when the industry changed the octane rating system in the US.  I believe the oil companies used that to lower the energy contant of the fuel sold to the masses and increase their profits.  What is certain, is that ALL gasoline that has added alcohol definitely DOES have a lower energy content.  Your mileage WILL decrease using fuel with added alcohol as alcohol has about half the energy content that gasoline should have.  You will have to open the throttle a bit more to make the same amount of power as with the old gas, and that makes the liquid flow faster for the same distance traveled.

Side effects:
A lean burn engine, ideal for fuel economy, can blue your chrome exhaust pipes. 
The closer to white spark plug insulators you get, the more significantly pronounced the side effects become.
A hot engine engine burns fuel more efficiently.  It also wears out faster, and fatigues the oil with larger heat cycles quicker, too.  You might actually need that oil cooler to prolong  oil life.  Or, change oil more frequently.  Synthetic oils may evaporate more rapidly, leading you to believe the engine is burning oil.  Certainly any oil that is heat damaged, loses some of its lubricative properties which are so desireable for engine longevity.

The bane of all air cooled engines is the dependence on the surrounding air for a consistent cylinder to ring and piston fit.  Running the engine hotter for fuel economy, means you are also closer to the upper limit of cooling fin capacity.  Hot pistons expand at a greater rate than the cylinders do.  Once you run an engine hot for a while, the break-in process stabilizes for fit at that temp.  If you later run the engine at a lower temp., the clearances become larger, which means that combustion gasses "blow by" the rings, contaminate the oil supply, and the oil supply seeps past the rings to be burnt in the combustion process, behaving like a worn out engine.

Finally, a bike tuned for max fuel economy, probably won't be competitive on the track, offer the best handling or cornering performance, or make the best power for acceleration.  In the engineering community, we call these "tradeoffs". ;D

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Re: MPG
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2007, 03:13:22 PM »
Damn, that was comprehensive.  thanks for taking the time to type all that in.
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2007, 07:10:37 PM »
I'm just glad he has 550 experience, too!   ;D  These have a reputation for poor MPG.
The 750K4 outdid most all of the other 750 models, but at the tradeoff of HP. It had less HP, but some MPG figures I knew were in the 60s, guys who toured with me. The 17-tooth front sprocket tip on the 750 is something I discovered when married and carrying 600+ lb. payloads across the West: the MPG had dropped into the low 30s on the trip, so I tuned it up mid-trip with no improvement. Then, my ex's parents showed up in their 60 MPH (tops) camper, wanting to "ride along" in Arizona and Utah. I spent much time in 4th gear, only to find my MPG in the low 50s. In Flagstaff, on the way home, I changed to 17T front and got consistently high 40s at 75+ MPH the rest of the trip.

Years later, I had gone back to the 18T front when the gas changed. MPG dropped dramatically: last summer, I changed back to a 17T and I get 40+ in heavy city driving again, because I'm always in a higher gear, engine happy. I only have to drive up to 85 MPH on the way to work, and it tops out at 126 now, so it's OK...  ;)
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Re: MPG
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2007, 08:54:25 PM »
These have a reputation for poor MPG.

In stock trim or modified for "performance"?

Lots of "go fast" goodies can also reduce fuel economy?  Remember the "tradeoff" thing I mentioned?

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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2007, 08:59:12 PM »
Thanks for taking the time, guys. great information.

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2007, 03:50:56 PM »
These have a reputation for poor MPG.

In stock trim or modified for "performance"?

Lots of "go fast" goodies can also reduce fuel economy?  Remember the "tradeoff" thing I mentioned?

Cheers,

In stock form, back in the mid 1970s. Gas was hard to find in the Midwest where I lived then, and I heard more than a few 550 owners talk about their "high 20s" MPG. I had a 500 "spare bike" at the time and asked one of those guys to use it for a tankfull, just to see if the MPG was his fault. He got the usual mid-30s from it, though, like I did, so my surmise was that the 500 beat the 550 in MPG, by quite a bit.

My brother's 500 would get well into the 40s when we toured together, with my 750 bumping along right at 40. During a trip thru South Dakota together in the late 1970s, we met up with some other Honda riders (and a BWM-er, who rebuilt his engine right there by the campfire, in the dark - new cylinders and heads!) around a campfire one night. When the discussion turned to MPG, the 550 owner was astonished to hear that the 750s and Gold Wings were beating his MPG by quite a bit.

That's pretty much where I get the "reputation" for 550's lower MPG numbers. I never raced one, nor owned one, but sure tuned up a lot of them, and fixed some of the false neutrals a few of them generated (first and 2nd year models).
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Re: MPG
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2007, 04:02:20 PM »
So the ~40MPG on my 550F is pretty standard?  Changing back to a stock aribox from pods won't help this?

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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2007, 08:52:23 PM »
While I admit to not keeping good records on mileage for my 550's, I never found it an issue as they always got WAY better mileage than any of my cars.
When I bought my 74 CB550 in 1975, the PO had previously recorded 50 MPG on a trip to and from Reno NV and a town near SF.
I commuted with the same bike (using 4 into 2 mufflers) 34 miles a day, well into the 80's, and filled the tank every 5 to 7 commute days shortly after I switched to reserve.  It's only a 3.7 gal tank, I never ran dry and part of it's capacity isn't useable because of the saddle configuration.
Even if I used 3.2 gallons a week (170miles), that's still 53 MPG.  This was a daily trip 2/3 of which was highway ~70MPH and the rest in city stoplight traffic.
After changing jobs, my commute was only 14 miles a day.  However, only about 1/4 of this is freeway ~70MPH driving, the rest is all city driving where 4th gear is only sometimes acquired.  Fillups occured about every 10 commute days. 140 miles on 3.2 gallons is still 43.75 MPG.  And, this was after the oil companies changed the gas composition, too!
There is a Vetter Windjammer fairing on this bike which I put on because of earlier long commutes in cold weather.  Although, I expected the mileage to drop, it was hardly noticeable.   Possibly because there is less parasitic drag on the fairing than the human body.  And, while riding, I feel wind pressure on my back, pushing me forward a bit!

When I started using the 77-CB550F with a Natioanl cycle windscreen, I learned that the fuel capacity of the F model increased to 4.2 Gallons,  This was after I found out I could commute 2-2.5 weeks before going to reserve (same 14 mile daily commute mostly in lower gears).   The 76 CB550F with a Vetter Quicksilver fairing used fuel in the same amounts as the other F models (about 47-48 MPG mixed city and highway driving).

The load in all the above cases was me, riding gear and my trusty Igloo lunch box bungeed to the bike.

Then things got strange, as by then, I had so many CB550s I could ride a different one every day of the week.  In fact, I had to, in order to keep them running well.  I could no longer gauge fuel economy and, like I said earlier, I didn't keep fuel receipts or calculate mileage.  I do remember days when I'd take a different bike because it still had gas, and I didn't feel like stopping for a fillup that particular day.

We had a couple of SOHC4 rides out here on the west coast.  Near the end of one ride some of the guys pulled into the station to fill up.  As usual I was a minority rider being on a 550F instead of the more popular big 750 bike, and I was riding two up with my wife to boot.  Although I hadn't switched to reserve yet, I figured I'd fill up anyway, while I was there.  Not one, but two of the 750 guys noticed my fill up amount, and said "That's all it took?"  I simply didn't know what to tell them.  It seemed so normal, to me.  We all filled up at the same station just before the ride, And, my 550 used less fuel than ANY of the 750s over the exact same route, and I was NOT sparing the throttle or the lower gears trying to keep up with the group, and I had two aboard.

It does make sense that the CB500 could get better mileage. The engine is smaller displacement and the final drive ratio is 2.000 vs the Cb550s 2.176.

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Re: MPG
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2007, 11:29:53 PM »
i've only been on a few trips with multiple SOHC's out long enough to all fill up together, but when i have i've been surprised at how little better my 550F and brad's 550K (which both got an almost identical--to the 10th of a gallon---50MPG) did compared the the 750's. if i remember right, my brother's '77 750K was getting 45-58 MPG, and billy's 750 K3 was getting low 40's.

one ride was 11-12 hours up mount st. helens and back, during which i spent a lot of time in lower gears at an altitude ranging from about 9 feet above sea level to 2700 feet. my MPG fell to a terrible 48...  ::)
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1976 CB550 (590cc) road racer
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Re: MPG
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2007, 10:56:34 AM »
Wow, you guys are all getting WAY better mileage than the 550s I encountered (obviously).
Now, it makes me wonder what the differences are/were.

Most of the pre-K4 750s were in the 40s, low 50s at that, which changed with the K4. The 500s all seemed about the same.
But, it seemed that the 550s, I'm talking new and stock, here, came in for tuneups more often than their littler siblings, often for MPG complaints.

TT: what models of 550s did (do) you have? Were they early, late, or "all the above" K models?
This piques my curiosity.   ::)
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Re: MPG
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2007, 03:22:54 PM »
HM:
All my bikes are listed in my sig. below.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I have the most miles (about 35K) on my 74 CB550 K0, acquired in 1975.
Next on the miles used (about 10K) is a 77CB550F2 (acquired about 15 Years ago), followed by a 76 CB550F1 (about 5K miles, acquired about 10 yrs ago.).  These are miles that I put on the bikes, not what the odometer currently indicates.

These bike's have running gear that are in stock trim with the exception of a Uni foam air filter rather than the paper ones.  The paper ones had to be replaced every year, or they became restrictive and the mileage definately got much worse and the plugs soot up.  When the price went up to $45 ea. for a replacement from Honda, I switched to the cleanable Uni Foam type.  My F models have the stock 4 into 1s and stock muffler.
The 74 cb550 K had smashed 4 into 4s when I got it (most of the bike was smashed, actually)  So, I put cheap 4 into 2 mufflers on it for about the first 20-25K miles.  Then I splurged, bought and installed the original 4 in 4 replacements from Honda while they were still available.

I had a 75 and 78 Cb550K in the driving rotation for a while.  The 78 (stock) had tank filling cycles much like the rest, perhaps even longer. (again Uni Air filter).  The 75 came to me with Uni POD filters and a Mac 4 into 1 installed.  I didn't keep this one long and sold it.  But, my impression was that tank fill ups were more frequent with this machine.  Before I sold it, I found and installed the stock air box setup with Uni foam filter, which I thought made tank fillups less frequent.  But, I don't have calculated MPG figures for it.  I just couldn't bring myself to toss that infectious sounding Mac pipe, though.  Another member on this forum has this bike now.  Next time I see him, I'll ask if he has calculated the mileage.

Like you, I'm scratching my head about your reports of poor mileage from 550s.  I'm wondering if your 550 riders didn't know about using 4th and 5th gears, only had access to gasahol, were confused about which choke position was off, never changed the air filter, or they thought the brake pedal was a foot rest.

Lastly, none of my bikes were collected in running condition.  And, I never had a Honda shop work on them.  I put them togther, replaced required parts, and tuned them until they were road worthy and ran the way I wanted them to.

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Re: MPG
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2007, 07:32:46 PM »
This makes me wonder about Honda's paper filters - and about the Rocky Cycle replacement units, too. I seem to remember that our shop sold both, and most of the do-it-themselves guys would opt for the cheaper Rocky ones. We didn't sell any foam filters, only the K&N units, which were prohibitively expensive for the 500 and 550, even more than my 750's was.

One of the performance enhancements we offered was to re-duct and open up the intake to the airbox, as it was obviously quite restrictive. But, come now to think of it, I don't ever remember discussing MPG with the several owners who had this done.
That might be it, TT. I only ran Honda filter or velocity stacks (when racing) on my 500, but it got good MPG, anyway.

It was a '72, probably much like yours! I sure liked that styling, mine was gold.
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Re: MPG
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2007, 10:51:42 AM »
Fuel economy tips for the CB550.


Don't use engine braking.  It sucks more fuel through the carbs than an engine simply running at idle RPM.

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Hi!

Just as a curiosity - when i drive a car with computer that shows fuel consumption, it woudl show 0 when braking with engone (going from the hill) but will show something (1 or 2 ltr, i'm metric) whe car is in idle. Is it coming from  teh method of measurement?

Whats your input on this gyus?

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