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jakethesnake

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75 750 supersport disk brake
« on: March 21, 2007, 09:32:20 AM »
Ok, so I tore it apart as much as I can, and cleaned it up, and it still locks up.  the pistons go in and they don't come back at all unless i pry them back with a screwdriver.  perhaps the problem is that i don't know anything about disk brakes.  maybe i didn't tear it all the way apart? how do i get to the inside of the master cylinder?  does hte caliper come apart more than two pieces? i don't know anything.  and riding season is practically here. help. please

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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2007, 10:45:08 AM »
When you tore apart the caliper, did you remove the seal (o ring) that seals the piston and clean out the groove really well?  That was the problem on mine.  I would up using a dremel and a bristle wheel to get all the crud out.

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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2007, 11:05:15 AM »
Agree with Dave.  Gotta get things really clean.  I use a dental pick with a flat tip to really dig into the grooves and scrape them clean.  I may be wrong here, but the caliper piston should slide in fairly easily, but it takes pressure from behind to move it back out.  I learned to rig an old brake lever/master cylinder with a short hose to do work on my calipers.  That way I can make sure it's working before remounting it to the bike.  Good luck.
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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2007, 09:25:55 AM »
should there be some sort of gasket between the two halves of the caliper? because there isn't.

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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2007, 09:44:36 AM »
you talking about the front or rear?  The rear has a round seal (at least on a '76, I think they're the same) approx 1/2 inch in diameter to conect the two halves.

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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2007, 10:26:40 AM »
If you are talking about the front caliper, all the action is in one half of it. No fluid moves to the other half.

Aside from cleanliness, you want to make sure the piston has no corrosion from moisture  (which can happen with DOT 3). Also I would want to use a brand new seal. The seal flexes when the piston moves and needs to be pliable, which old ones might not be.  There is a school of thought that says the piston does not slide through the seal when the brake is applied but only flexes it, as the distance traveled is so short.

Another consideration is getting someone with some micrometers and so on to measure both the ID of the caliper hole and the OD of the piston.  The caliper is soft material and capable of wear.

Someone else reminded me that you also need to clean up the pivot  and that is definitely true... water gets in it. The caliper needs to float from side to side easily and it won't if the pivot pin is frozen up.

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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2007, 10:28:01 AM »
No "gasket" between front caliper halves.  They actually don't touch each other, but connect to each side of the mounting bracket.

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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2007, 10:33:31 AM »
Jake...
all of the above and also make sure that your brake lever is letting the mastercylinder return all the way and that there isn't corrosion in the end of the MC... If the piston there doesn't return all the way ...you will get a sticking brake.
Also make sure the TINY little hole in the MC is clear...it's at the bottom of a depression that looks like someone started to drill a hole and didn't finish. A very small sewing needle will usually fit. It's very small and can get stopped up easily with corrosion or crud.


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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2007, 10:58:06 AM »
Sounds like you need a Honda shop manual if you don't already have one. I would suggest the Honda version over the after market brands which contain errors & omissions. Good investment. www.helminc.com or 1-888-292-5393. Hopefully this info is current. America Honda provided this info to me 4/01. You have an old bike and old bikes tend to have issues. I have 3 different manuals for my 75 750F and they are pretty grease stained.

Please clarify which brake. The front may be as simple as turning the adjustment screw located by the fork leg. Hopefully the expensive pistons don't have excessive corrosion. Make sure you use a good solvent like acetone on the inner surfaces (eats paint-be careful) of the caliper and the piston to dissolve any residue. I use a felt wheel (non-abrasive) wet with acetone on my Dremel to polish/clean the surfaces and Q-Tips or the bristle wheel & Dremel as Super Pasty said for the seal groove. As the guys have said get the seal groove cleaned well and use a new seal. When you reassemble be sure to "use silicone sealing grease (temp range of -67° to +392°F)" as the shop manual says which will lubricate and SEAL out and moisture or dirt."Do not use molybdenum grease aka brake grease" per the manual as this won't handle the heat and will not last. Apply this to the surface areas of the calipers where the outer edges of the pads slide. Do not get it on the faces of the pads. Part of the seal's job it is designed for is to pull the piston back into the caliper. Don't know that I could provide a decent explanation of this though.

I'm about to bring up a couple things that have been highly debated here. One is what silicone compound to use. Some of the guys only want to use a particular brand/type of grease and say that's all you should use. I don't remember which it is but it's difficult at best to find. It's a really high grade and will do fine. I use NAPA Sil-Glyde lubricating compound. One of it's listed uses is brake parts. "Stays put. Water repellent. Won't run or melt. Effective from -20° to + 400°F. Harmless to rubber." The second debate concerns which brake fluid to use. THE BOOK says DOT3 which is fine. When THE BOOK was written there was no DOT4 or DOT5. When, not if, your seal leaks DOT3 is going to eat up your paint. I had my fork legs, caliper, caliper bracket, and center of my disc powder coated due to paint damage. When I put it all back together I went with DOT5 (My Harley came from the factory with DOT5) and it's working great. No problems. I made sure not to mix DOT5 with DOT3. I flushed out my master cylinder and brake line by pumping 2 or 3 fillings of DOT5 through the system until I was satisfied with my results. I actually have DOT5 in the front & DOT3 in the rear. Next time the rear comes apart I will go with DOT5. Also if you want a hassle free job of bleeding the brakes go to the brake FAQ and look up Speed Bleeders. You'll be glad you did. Just a couple things to think about.

    
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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2007, 11:25:27 AM »
I have had DOT 5 in both systems for years and like the fact it never takes in moisture so the parts don't corrode.  It did, however, kill my stop light sending unit in front and I finally adapted a harley sending unit as those are DOT 5 compatible.
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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2007, 09:57:29 AM »
sorry, rear brake, and i'm a little confused still about where exactly this tiny hole in the MC is?

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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2007, 11:02:58 AM »
I have had DOT 5 in both systems for years and like the fact it never takes in moisture so the parts don't corrode.  It did, however, kill my stop light sending unit in front and I finally adapted a harley sending unit as those are DOT 5 compatible.

Your wrong about that.
 There is still moisture in there but its all in one place ( the lowest place)
 Unless you completely disassemble the caliper it will never come out, unlike DOT 3/4/5.1 which holds it in suspension. It was probably water that killed stop light switch, not DOT 5
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Re: 75 750 supersport disk brake
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2007, 11:32:18 AM »
Hey Jake...
On the rear brake...I would guess that it has a hose that feeds the MC???