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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2007, 03:58:58 PM »
I think it comes down to being morally right and legally wrong.  Of course that is assuming they did it intentionally.

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2007, 06:02:23 PM »
New Full-Face helmet:  $350

Making bail for aggravated assault: $2500

Getting your bike out of the impound yard: $500

Making some punk kids sh*t their pants while you wail on their car:  Priceless...

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2007, 08:02:06 PM »
Had the same situation years ago, but I used a chain and heavy lock
on the car.
Felt right at the time, and yes I would do it again.
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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2007, 08:13:52 PM »
I would be concerned with those little a-holes finding my bike sitting some other time, and me walking out of a store to a thrashed machine.  That would probably keep me from smashing the car, as bad as I would want to. 

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2007, 01:56:07 PM »
As to guns. Here in Virginia it is not illegal to open carry, I have a concealed carry license.

Same goes for NC, I remember an old black man who use to ride around a town near home,
riding a bicycle, with a 12 gauge double barrel strapped on the handle bars ;D

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2007, 02:08:01 PM »
As to guns. Here in Virginia it is not illegal to open carry, I have a concealed carry license.

Same goes for NC, I remember an old black man who use to ride around a town near home,
riding a bicycle, with a 12 gauge double barrel strapped on the handle bars ;D

God bless the American way!  I'm guessing that no one ever tried to take the old guys bike.  LOL!

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2007, 03:03:02 PM »
I believe in places where open carry is allowed, the piece must be unloaded.  Exceptions for hunters with valid hunting license or carry permits.

These days, however, open carry is often considered brandishing.

[The statute defines a brandish as occurring when an individual takes one of two courses of action: either the individual "display[ s] all or part of the firearm," or the individual "otherwise make the presence of the firearm known."]

Although, most court convictions will require an additional, proven, "threat display", it doesn't mean you can't be arrested, booked, and firearm confiscated, at the whim of the police officer.  In fact, you can be "detained" and "questioned" (not considered harassment) for simply having displayed a holster.

Persecution/prosecution, which is worse?

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2007, 04:35:09 PM »
Virginia State Constitution, Article I, Section 13

That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people,trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state,therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


Not here, open carry means any citizen can carry a loaded handgun on their side.

Only need a permit if concealed.

"Permit to carry handguns? Yes. A permit is required if concealed."

and finally this,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50416-2004Jul14.html


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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2007, 05:13:59 PM »
California open carry information:
Open carry is permitted if you have a permit to carry, but only if you are in a county with a population of less than 200,000 as of the last census. It is your responsibility to know the population. Open carry is nearly unheard of, so be prepared to have an encounter with local law enforcement officers.

California State Constitution:
There are NO provisions related to the right to keep and bear arms in the California Constitution.

So, it clearly varies state by state.  Eg. Texas outright specifies open carry is illegal.

I still think you are subject to "brandishing" accusations if you open carry, whatever state you are in.  And, if you are in a municipality where "gun rights" are discouraged or thought unsavory, you'll be in for a serious distraction from your normal activities, regardless of the legality.

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2007, 05:20:30 PM »
Don't mess with Marines back from Vietnam.

Years ago, my dad told me a true story about Larry, his former bunk mate at Marine boot camp.  During some hellish fighting in the jungles of Vietnam, my dad and Larry became best friends.  I guess that would happen when you got each others backs.  Anyway, two years after the war, my dad and Larry were pulling out of the local greasy spoon diner when some hillbilly boys in a pick-up truck chucked a full beer bottle and hit Larry square in the neck which knocked the wind out of him.  Being a tough guy, Larry gave a wave to my dad and made a specific gesture, then they tailed the truck at about 50 meters until they got into heavy traffic at an intersection.  My dad and Larry weaved through the traffic and pulled up alongside the truck, one bike on each side.  My dad said the guys were younger, late teens early 20s and their jaws dropped as both my dad and Larry pulled out their knives and cut all four tires, flattening them instantly to the rims.  Larry then approached the driver and softly said, “next time, it's your necks; I'll see you boys around".  My dad and Larry then pulled to the side of the road as the traffic began to move again to make sure Larry was okay.  They each lit up a smoke and watched to see what the boys would do.  My dad said that they were so afraid that they just sat in the truck.   After their smokes were finished, Larry and my dad rode away.  When my dad told me that story, he finished it with, "If you ever think of doing something like that, I'll kill you... times were different then and so was I.”

By the way, Larry and my dad are still great friends... actually, I call him Uncle Larry and I have since I could speak.

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2007, 05:30:04 PM »
California open carry information:
Open carry is permitted if you have a permit to carry, but only if you are in a county with a population of less than 200,000 as of the last census. It is your responsibility to know the population. Open carry is nearly unheard of, so be prepared to have an encounter with local law enforcement officers.

California State Constitution:
There are NO provisions related to the right to keep and bear arms in the California Constitution.

So, it clearly varies state by state.  Eg. Texas outright specifies open carry is illegal.

I still think you are subject to "brandishing" accusations if you open carry, whatever state you are in.  And, if you are in a municipality where "gun rights" are discouraged or thought unsavory, you'll be in for a serious distraction from your normal activities, regardless of the legality.

Cheers,


In Texas open carry is allowed unless proscribed by city code with the exception of handguns (and assorted other weapons Bowie knives, machetes, hatchets etc.)

This was changed at the introduction of the concealed handgun license.

Carriage has been upheld in the case of business men proceeding to and from employment and travellers.

Open carry on private property is still allowed.

No mention is made in the penal code of longuns.

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2007, 11:48:45 PM »
Okay, I won't debate anyone's open carry laws for their state.  Gun laws are generally an intentional quagmire that varies from state to state to deter people from owning firearms.  If you want a small sampling of how twisted this all gets, even in Virginia and Texas, just look here:
http://opencarry.org/

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2007, 09:41:23 AM »
Don't mess with Marines back from Vietnam.

Years ago, my dad told me a true story about Larry, his former bunk mate at Marine boot camp.  During some hellish fighting in the jungles of Vietnam, my dad and Larry became best friends.  I guess that would happen when you got each others backs.  Anyway, two years after the war, my dad and Larry were pulling out of the local greasy spoon diner when some hillbilly boys in a pick-up truck chucked a full beer bottle and hit Larry square in the neck which knocked the wind out of him.  Being a tough guy, Larry gave a wave to my dad and made a specific gesture, then they tailed the truck at about 50 meters until they got into heavy traffic at an intersection.  My dad and Larry weaved through the traffic and pulled up alongside the truck, one bike on each side.  My dad said the guys were younger, late teens early 20s and their jaws dropped as both my dad and Larry pulled out their knives and cut all four tires, flattening them instantly to the rims.  Larry then approached the driver and softly said, “next time, it's your necks; I'll see you boys around".  My dad and Larry then pulled to the side of the road as the traffic began to move again to make sure Larry was okay.  They each lit up a smoke and watched to see what the boys would do.  My dad said that they were so afraid that they just sat in the truck.   After their smokes were finished, Larry and my dad rode away.  When my dad told me that story, he finished it with, "If you ever think of doing something like that, I'll kill you... times were different then and so was I.”

By the way, Larry and my dad are still great friends... actually, I call him Uncle Larry and I have since I could speak.

Sparty

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2007, 07:48:27 PM »
Carrying a real 45 cal is also an option.

Nice USP!  I shoot one all the time at my local range- but I've been holding off on buying one- they're pricey!  :)

I've been drooling over the Springfield XD myself- just can't decide if I want 9, .40, or .45..
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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2007, 04:59:11 AM »
Carrying a real 45 cal is also an option.

Nice USP!  I shoot one all the time at my local range- but I've been holding off on buying one- they're pricey!  :)

I've been drooling over the Springfield XD myself- just can't decide if I want 9, .40, or .45..


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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2007, 04:59:50 AM »
Carrying a real 45 cal is also an option.

Nice USP!  I shoot one all the time at my local range- but I've been holding off on buying one- they're pricey!  :)

I've been drooling over the Springfield XD myself- just can't decide if I want 9, .40, or .45..


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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2007, 09:12:01 AM »
http://www.break.com/index/stupid_driver_causes_bike_crash.html

There's why you need to carry that .45!

Is it just me, or did that red car blatantly run the bike off the road?
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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2007, 09:21:36 AM »
buy a .45,it will knock their d***s in the dirt.
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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2007, 12:09:54 PM »
http://www.break.com/index/stupid_driver_causes_bike_crash.html

There's why you need to carry that .45!

Is it just me, or did that red car blatantly run the bike off the road?

Totally blatant.  That was a purposeful "f*ck YOU!!  You ain't gonna pass me!!" or however it would be said in whatever sissy language they spoke.  Unless it was German.  German is a pretty angry, pissed-off, bad-ass language.  You almost understand their need to start wars and invade other countries when they have a language like that.

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« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2007, 12:33:00 PM »
Carrying a real 45 cal is also an option.

Nice USP!  I shoot one all the time at my local range- but I've been holding off on buying one- they're pricey!  :)

I've been drooling over the Springfield XD myself- just can't decide if I want 9, .40, or .45..


Depends on whether you want penetration or punch.
Shooting through walls or car doors? 9mm.
Pure varmint control?  .45.
Compromise? .40

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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2007, 01:39:02 PM »
I like 45's, even though I'm old fashioned I have a Baby Eagle 45
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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2007, 10:31:31 AM »
Carrying a real 45 cal is also an option.

Nice USP!  I shoot one all the time at my local range- but I've been holding off on buying one- they're pricey!  :)

I've been drooling over the Springfield XD myself- just can't decide if I want 9, .40, or .45..


Depends on whether you want penetration or punch.
Shooting through walls or car doors? 9mm.
Pure varmint control?  .45.
Compromise? .40



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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2007, 12:27:45 PM »
Carrying a real 45 cal is also an option.

Nice USP!  I shoot one all the time at my local range- but I've been holding off on buying one- they're pricey!  :)

I've been drooling over the Springfield XD myself- just can't decide if I want 9, .40, or .45..


Depends on whether you want penetration or punch.
Shooting through walls or car doors? 9mm.
Pure varmint control?  .45.
Compromise? .40



Where would a .38 be on that scale? That's what I bought for personal protection.  And I don't know too much about guns aside from how to break down mine and my fiance's, clean them, load them, fire them.
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Re: Allmost accident and retribution
« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2007, 01:47:10 PM »
Where would a .38 be on that scale? That's what I bought for personal protection.  And I don't know too much about guns aside from how to break down mine and my fiance's, clean them, load them, fire them.
Somewhere below compromise and WAYY better than nothing.

If your gun can take it, use +P hollowpoints, and hope your assailants aren't wearing thick clothing to clog the hollow tips.
Shot placement is a bit more crucial.  Practice.  Practice with adrenaline.  Run in place before shooting to simulate the fight or flight human response, see your groups get larger?  When an actual confrontation occurs, you will revert to your training.  Pray you never need it.
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