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Offline Hope

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All in a day's work... Hit & miss
« on: April 07, 2007, 12:07:26 AM »
Today, I declined an invitation to a crawfish boil to tinker with Cassandra.

Cassandra got sassy on me & didn't let me successfully complete all the tasks that I planned.

Today's plan was to remove the sissy bar & install OEM grab bar, re-wire brake light, change oil & filter, and replace fork boots. 

Task #1 remove the sissy bar & install OEM grab bar -- 
When I removed the sissy bar, I realized I didn't store all the hardware to the OEM stock grab bar.  Off to Honda dealership I went for 1 bolt & 1 screw.  Also picked up some  fork oil that I would need later.  Got back home, bolted the grab bar on, and connected my wires with handy-dandy electrical tape.  Left blinker didn't blink. (Will investigate further later.) Right blinker works. 

Task #2 Re-wire brake light -
Tail light works, brake light does not.  Will investigate later.

Task #3  Change oil & filter -
Loosened drain plug, drained oil.  (Cut the bottom 5 inches from a 5 gallon bucket because my oil pan that I usually use was too tall for my bike on the center stand.)  Tried to get the bolt off so I can change the oil filter but some &$*$&#*$* rounded off the bolt!!!  I called the Honda dealership & they told me that the bolt was in stock and it would be $3.82.  I left immediately to go fetch the bolt.  Upon arrival, the parts lady apologized to me, and told me that the $3.82 she quoted me was for the pin.  If I needed the bolt, it would be $45.  For $45, I get the bolt, the spring, and housing for the filter.  I decided to delay the purchase and drove 25 miles back home...  empty handed.  I did not change the filter, but put my drain plug back in and put fresh oil in the motor.

Task #4 Replace fork boots
Zowey Batman!  What a chore.  I think the old fork boots have been on that bike since 1975.  Instead of having a rubber texture, they were more like a hard plastic that I had to cut and pry off the fork.  I really hate that I had to take the brake line loose to replace the fork boots because I have really had a hard time getting my front brakes right.  I bolted my brake line back after I got the fork boots on... and tried to bleed the brakes but I have not really had any luck.  Will try again, but this time will follow the exact instructions in the Clymer's manual.

The simplest task that I did today was charge my brand new battery. 

After I charged the battery, I tried to start the bike.  It took a lot of tries...  Does it take a while for the new fresh oil to circulate around the motor?  Other questions that I wondered today: if the brakes are not properly bled (therefore do not engage), does this prevent the brake light from coming on?  Does the blinker have to be grounded in order for it to work? (If not, I will check my workmanship with the black electrical tape....  maybe I don't have a good connection.)  I ended up leaving the tools strayed about outside because the 1 day I set aside to work on her has grown into 2.  I'll pick the tools up tomorrow after I am done.  I came inside & found the discussion about the oil filter conversion http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=16004.msg210623#msg210623.  I am debating if I want to go this route instead of buying the bolt from Honda.  I don't want to ride Cassandra naked - I like the highway bars.  Looks like I'll have to forego the highway bars if I convert to a spin on oil filter.  Not so sure I like the trade-off.  We'll see...

I am hoping to get this bike tip-top for this riding season.  I really want to get the bugs out before next Saturday's "blessing of the bikes."  It will be the first organized bike outing of the season.  It is such a Harley-town around here.  I don't want anything to go wrong with Cassandra for her to get picked on by the Harley guys.  I prefer for her to be admired instead of admonished.   

Anyone else have a hit & miss day where you had a list of things you wanted to get done & then not everything goes your way?

 

 


« Last Edit: April 07, 2007, 12:18:11 AM by Hope »

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Re: All in a day's work... Hit & miss
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2007, 02:23:35 AM »
It's all in the preparation - good planning and writing up a to do list in detail, maybe some electrical connector blocks instead of tape, did the brake light work before ?, oil bolt can be possibly removed or loosened with a pair of vise grips, and done up the same way..

possible a bad earth for the blinker...

keep at it

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Re: All in a day's work... Hit & miss
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2007, 02:44:42 AM »
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Anyone else have a hit & miss day where you had a list of things you wanted to get done & then not everything goes your way?
No, I don't think so.  You're the only one. ::) ;D ;D ;D

Sorry, but that is sooo funny.  It's much more rare to actually have everything go as planned.  In fact, with these old bikes, it's common to have the work list expand after a day's work, especially if you are doing a proper inspection while performing maintenance.

How about a $14 replacement oil filter bolt?
http://www.cyclewareables.com/pages/oil_filter_bolts/oilfilterbolt.htm

For front brake bleeding check the brake FAQ or:
http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=259.msg207521#msg207521
...And scroll down for bleed proceedures.

No offence meant.  But, black tape on electical connections is a sign of an amature.  Most of these "repairs" I find are unreliable, at best, and it's just a matter of time before failure.  What happened to the plug and socket connections that were on the bike?  You can get proper replacements from:
http://www.vintageconnections.com/

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Other questions that I wondered today: if the brakes are not properly bled (therefore do not engage), does this prevent the brake light from coming on?   

Yes, for the front brake.  No, for the rear.

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Does the blinker have to be grounded in order for it to work?
Absolutely!  That's what the green wires are for!

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Re: All in a day's work... Hit & miss
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2007, 07:26:09 AM »
Thanks for your detailed response.  I'll be at it again today.  Repairs made yesterday reflect the fact that I did *not* want to order anything because I didn't want to wait for items to come in:  I want to be ready for next Saturday.  With that being said - it is evident that some things will need to be ordered... 


like this...

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How about a $14 replacement oil filter bolt?
http://www.cyclewareables.com/pages/oil_filter_bolts/oilfilterbolt.htm

As for the brake, I believe between Clymers and the link you suggested, I will get the brakes bled.  I used these detailed instructions before when I first bolted the 750 hondamatic brake on my 550.  Works great.

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For front brake bleeding check the brake FAQ or:
http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=259.msg207521#msg207521
...And scroll down for bleed proceedures.



I understand your position on the electrical tape...  again, it is another indication that I didn't want to drop what I was doing to at least pick up some connections.  This is certain to be a do-over.  I just wanted the sissy bar off the bike, and grab bar back on.

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No offence meant.  But, black tape on electical connections is a sign of an amature.  Most of these "repairs" I find are unreliable, at best, and it's just a matter of time before failure.  What happened to the plug and socket connections that were on the bike?  You can get proper replacements from:
http://www.vintageconnections.com/


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Other questions that I wondered today: if the brakes are not properly bled (therefore do not engage), does this prevent the brake light from coming on? 

Yes, for the front brake.  No, for the rear.
-- Good to know that I will probably get my brake light working when my brakes are properly bled.

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Does the blinker have to be grounded in order for it to work?
Absolutely!  That's what the green wires are for!

  -- Where in the heck does the ground for the left blinker come from?  I have the right blinker grounded & it works.  I need to get that left blinker grounded.  I'm looking at the wiring diagram right now & it seems that the ground should tie into the right blinker ground  and brake light ground.  I'm not seeing it on my bike.  Will look again.

Thanks again for all your help.  :)
« Last Edit: April 07, 2007, 07:30:47 AM by Hope »

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Re: All in a day's work... Hit & miss
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2007, 11:14:56 AM »
Maybe I'm forgetting something here, but I don't remember having to disconnect the brake line to remove the forks. :-\

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Re: All in a day's work... Hit & miss
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2007, 05:35:07 PM »
I had to loosen the speedometer cable and brake line.  Then I
loosened all the fork bolts, raised the handlebars so the bike could pull up from the fork legs.  After I forced a little clearance I was able to start cutting the old dry rotted boot covers from the fork legs and put the new ones on.

BTW I got some electrical connectors and undid all the black tape.  My blinkers are grounded and working properly.  Brake light is working after I properly bled the brakes.  All existing problems that I was aware of have been remedied...  except the oil filter bolt, which I am going to order. 

Now it looks like my petcock is shot...  but I have a spare tank that might have a petcock on it.  Will check later.

Thnx for all your help & getting on me about sloppily sticking black tape where connectors needed to be.  ;)