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To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« on: June 18, 2005, 08:52:39 PM »
I finished my 78 CB750 K8 restoration a few months ago, but now have a CL350 to rebuild for my wife.  I was a terror on Ebay while putting the last one together, and will probably continue my sniping habits again.

I have read threads here on this forum about ebay being a very simple "who ever bids the highest" wins the item. I say what a crock!

If I see something I really need why would I give someone 5 days to figure out how keen I am?   I wait....... and watch....and pounce with a high bid in the last 10 seconds so no one else will have time to beat me!

Now, am I a pariah, or just a guy working the program
Do any of you have any qualms about doing this? I am interested in seeing if I should fee bad  :-\

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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2005, 09:07:54 PM »
snipe,  you'll feel good when your sleeping and still win.  I know i do.
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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2005, 10:36:39 PM »
I never bid until the last few seconds, unless I know that I will be away when the auction ends. However I will not knowingly snipe acquaintences or members of boards I visit.

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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2005, 12:52:41 AM »
If I really want something I'll bid my top dollar.  If you snipe in over that, it's yours.  If you snipe just to jack the cost to me up, perhaps you need another hobby, like slinging poo with your hand since thats were the karma relocation program is going to place you.
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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2005, 03:20:32 AM »
Personally, I hate you guys. I realize "Nothing personal. It's only business".
I just deleted a lot of useless verbiage.
Never mind. I could get on a soapbox here. This is sort of a poll, so I'll just vote.
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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2005, 03:35:01 AM »
ebay is made ONLY for sniping, due to their set-up of timing an auctions end to the second. If ebay WANTED to eliminate sniping the auctions would only have an approximate ending time....saying something like "this auction ends between 4 and 5 PM". bids would be kept secret until the auction closed.

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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2005, 05:32:34 AM »
   If you really want something it's the only way to bid. It upsets some people who don't put their highest bid as their proxy. They either enjoy the bidding process or don't understand that ebay differs from a live auction. Some may think that it cheats the seller but they have the option of setting a reserve. I've set my alarm to get up in the wee hours of the morning to bid on something I really wanted. Also, sniping doesn't guarantee you winning the item...your last second bid may be below another bidder's proxy.

   Snipe away and sleep easy...unless you have to get up to bid.  :D

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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2005, 05:38:50 AM »
i snipe... because i am bidding on something I want... not anyone else... use a program called Hammer snipe....puts the bid on automatically 3 seconds from the end on the auction... i sorry if that p@#ses ppl off, but i am not browseing ebay for things i 'dont ' want...peace
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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2005, 05:41:38 AM »
I finished my 78 CB750 K8 restoration a few months ago, but now have a CL350 to rebuild for my wife.  I was a terror on Ebay while putting the last one together, and will probably continue my sniping habits again.

I have read threads here on this forum about ebay being a very simple "who ever bids the highest" wins the item. I say what a crock!

If I see something I really need why would I give someone 5 days to figure out how keen I am?   I wait....... and watch....and pounce with a high bid in the last 10 seconds so no one else will have time to beat me!

Now, am I a pariah, or just a guy working the program
Do any of you have any qualms about doing this? I am interested in seeing if I should fee bad  :-\
That's the way to play the ebay game! ;)
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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2005, 06:10:16 AM »
Thats the only way to do it on ebay, there is always some idiot out there willing to outbid you. If you wait till the last few minutes the price don't jump nearly as high. I use the watch item option ALL the time.

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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2005, 11:30:25 AM »
If you want it bad enough you'll do what it takes to win it.  I used to feel a little cheated after getting sniped
but after sniping a few auctions myself I realize thats the way the game is played.  I was really ticked after I overslept an auction ending that was for a gas tank and both side panels and lost by a couple of bucks in the last 10 seconds.  Or the Ping golf clubs that I missed by a few bucks.  Sniping back is the best medicine and usually it can save one a few bucks by avoiding the bidding war.

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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2005, 01:36:25 PM »
WARNING: ravings of an old street preacher follow. Don't read this unless you're incredibly bored.  Hell, I   wrote it and I'm embarrased to get caught reading this. 


I've been thinking about this all day. I've come to realize it's not just sniping the kind of bothers me, it's the bigger picture. Seaweb will get what I'm talking about because he's lost sleep over this and he needed the pats on the head you folks just provided.
So- "Nothing personal- it's just business" and "I was just following orders" are phrases that have come to bug me. I wonder if there is a line that one decides not to step over. "Up to here is OK. Over there is bad/ unethical/ a sin/ against the law/ will make me lose sleep/ (whatever)" But I also wonder if there is any kind of basic "TRUTH", or does the line move as we get used to something? Sort of like pornography when that Supreme Court judge said "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it." Well, not too long ago, what your kids watch on Saturday morning would have been considered porn. We are living in an ecomomic world that is changing faster all the time, and I wonder if the ethics or rules are changing too. A little over 100 years ago, people had kids to work the farm. Then they moved into cities and laws had to be inacted to prevent child slave labour in factories. Not too long ago, anything from Japan was considered junk. Today they make some of the best quality products available. Made in America doesn't mean too much except that it's probably too expensive. Everyone complains about the cost of living as they pull into WalMart where they won't carry a product unless it's made in China. Millions of jobs are going to India, China, Mexico so big companies can pay lower wages and dump their waste in the nearest river. Notice any prices going down as a result of all that cost saving?    So, when does "just business" get personal? It's great if you live in China. Not so good here when your pension gets ripped off, or your factory shuts down, or that computer job you thought would last forever because they can't do THAT without without YOUR knowledge goes to India.
So- the economy has been profoundly affected by 2 venues for hobbies that someone had the chutzpah to figure out how to capitalize on; The Antiques Road Show and ebay. These 2 entities have discovered each other and hold hands as they walk off into the sunset.          I have a fear that ebay will turn into a war of snipers. Possibly the fun will go out of it. Yes, there are a lot of rubes out there who do it for fun. The rubes will get hurt as the pros shove their elbows in the losers ribs mumbling "get out of the way." Then, I predict, the costs will go up. Ebay and paypal already nickle and dime a seller to death. But buyers who are serious about getting something they need will have to start paying for more and more sophisticated technology in order to win anything on ebay.
Well, #$%*. I don't know where this is going... I guess my motorcyles are my love, my hobby. I have to deal with "business" all week. When I was in my 20s-30s life was simple. Now with a house, wife, medical plan, blah blah blah, I would just like to think I can wander over to the store and pick up a set of plugs and bench race for 1/2 hour with out having to think I have to wade through more serious business.

And what's worse- I still believe in the "Golden Rule". Probably why I'm not rich, but the only thing that keeps me awake at night is when it's too cold to get up and go to the bathroom.

That's it. I know I'm a crackpot. I think I'll go sit down and start a good book- let you ace mechanics have at it.
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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2005, 01:59:42 PM »
Very well said , indeed!!
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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2005, 05:38:08 PM »
Ah, the eternal moral issue of sniping on ebay, well for my $0.02, both the buyer and seller should be aware of the rules before they enter into an auction, a seller should use the "start bid" option to put the minimum that he'll accept for an item, and a sensible bidder will only bid what he can afford.

I've witnessed at least two other auction sites that will keep an auction going until there's no more bids crash and burn in recent years, and you should all understand that it's the gambling on ebay that keeps the interest of the buyers. Ebay invented the term "sniping" and thats why it's so popular, you win some, and you lose some, it's that simple! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2005, 06:09:38 PM »
Yes, snipe, especially when bidding on my auctions.Please , Actually I believe you can also employ some 'bots to bid for you if you do not plan on being awake when the auction ends. PS If you need some CL/CB350/360 parts give me a holla as I am ready to bring the ones I have to the junk yard (per the wife, "...if you haven't sold anything off a bike in 2 years, junk it. Or I WILL!" Ahem. Well, I guess she told me. ;)
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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2005, 06:13:00 PM »
ebay is made ONLY for sniping, due to their set-up of timing an auctions end to the second. If ebay WANTED to eliminate sniping the auctions would only have an approximate ending time....saying something like "this auction ends between 4 and 5 PM". bids would be kept secret until the auction closed.

Have to agree with that. I may not like the idea of sniping, but when enough people snipe it becomes the way the game is played.

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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2005, 07:07:28 PM »
Yep... Every discussion board for every collector club I've been in has had this debate, and they always go back and forth in the same manner, us being no different.

I admit I've had to snipe now and then for things I really need and as I look at it, I set my limit, throw it in and that's that. I figure if someone else is willing to mark down the time and date, make sure they are on a computer at the given time, and are willing to part with more dough, fine. This is equally risky in the fact that if you forget about the auction, well, you lose (happened to me on just as many occasions..) I don't live my life in front of a computer, so it's hard to me to lead a sniper's lifestyle. I don't have the need or want to invest in software to bid for me. If I want it and it means that much to me, I gotta be there.

PS If you need some CL/CB350/360 parts give me a holla as I am ready to bring the ones I have to the junk yard (per the wife, "...if you haven't sold anything off a bike in 2 years, junk it. Or I WILL!" Ahem. Well, I guess she told me. ;)

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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2005, 12:13:44 AM »
i hate snipers but only because one of you suckers got me. i put a bid on a vintage jazz bass neck in the last 10 seconds, got outbid ANYWAY.

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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2005, 03:19:04 PM »
I think the term "sniping" is misleading. From the moment an auction have a starting time and an end time, you can bid anytime.

I generally bid on the last day. Only in the last minute if I happen to be in front of my computer at that time. Many times I even don't bid because for the last day the price has risen so high I don't want it anymore.

But as I know that many people buy on eBay by sniping, when I put my auctions I always start them so they finish between 20:00 and 22:00. That time many people is at home and have access to a computer.

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Re: To Snipe or Not to Snipe?
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2005, 12:26:19 PM »
the fastest snipe is weaker than the highest proxy......so does that make proxy bidding bad?????
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2005, 06:26:50 AM »
Sniping is the only way to go.  You also have to put your max bid on the item. 

I just lost an air box last night but I know it didn't go for less than I was willing to pay. 

It was at $61.00 in the last 7 sec.  I bid $155.00 and it went for $157.50. 

The winning bidder may have had a max bid well over that price but was only required to pay $1.00 over the second highest bidder of $156.50. 

If I was the only one bidding with a max bid in mind I would have won and not given a second thought to sniping it from a bidder who didn't know how to play. 

Actually I held back on my bid as I am more interested in rear spokes right now.  When I'm really serious about an air box my max bid won't be so forgiving.   

This is an international auction and you have to know that if the item you are bidding on is in demand enough you won't get it for less than it's worth.     
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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2005, 07:08:12 AM »
I watched that one. Being in the market for such an airbox, I sent a message to the seller about just what was being pointed to in the one picture, scratch, or was it a thru-and-thru crack. He replied it was a thru-and-thru crack in the "upper" half of the box. Didn't that seem like a high final for something that would require repair??
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2005, 11:10:04 AM »
The air box did have a crack but the white plastic is much easier to repair than the black.  It went for a low price in my opinion.  If the seller had used better key words like sandcast it would have gone for even more.  I was most eager to get it as it had the original color to base a match off of that was out of the sun in storage since the early 70's. 

A box with that kind of paint on it with NO cracks would have gone for well over $300.00.  If we ever see a box with the Gold on it that your bike has I think the bidding will get REAL interesting.  Some of the original gold side covers that have gone lately are comanding much more than the green or red. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2005, 11:34:30 AM »
Actually, the gold on my bike is incorrect. It's a K2 tank. It would have to be repainted and trimmed correctly somewhere down the road. The crack bothered me because it was in the top half and ran from the opening right to one of the mounting brackests. So you're sayin a repair would have held up, eh?
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2005, 06:48:06 PM »
I've used the permatex two part permapoxy 5 min plastic weld on some junk side covers to test it.  It holds as strong or stronger than the plastic itself.  This only works on the white K0 plastic. 

I would have re-painted that box had I got it.  For now though I have nothing to match my paint to.