Topic: top 10 Hondas at mecum

[Don R]

[BenelliSEI]

Don……$23K for a very nicely over restored (only my opinion) “Sandcast”. I’d say someone got a very good deal! I wouldn’t let mine go for that. Thanks for the post.

[rocket johnny]

very fun to watch ,,  thanx for sharing

[Don R]

 I think they made an error, the bike they looked at and talked to the seller was T173 and the bike that they showed being sold was F158. I'm not positive the one that sold was a sandcast but for sure not the same one.

 Edit: I found the results, T173 brought $43,450 it was the second high seller on thursday, the other one that was red brought $50,000.

 The one that sold on the video was ser# 1014382 and brought a sweet price for a diecast. My blue green bike is 14,100 but has a no number engine to go in unless I find one close enough in number.

[Don R]

https://www.mecum.com/news/results-for-thursday-january-30-at-mecum-las-vegas-motorcycles-2025/

[BenelliSEI]

Don…… Thanks for the last post and clarification. Those guys seemed quite pleased with the results and that explains it! I feel much better!

Anyone that wants a Sandcast for $50K just give me a call…….

[Really?]

That was cool

[seanbarney41]

I watched that...was interested to learn about the 450D.  I had never heard of that particular rarity.  Also, 1950's Dream?...don't really see a ton of those riding around town lol

[Don R]

Don…… Thanks for the last post and clarification. Those guys seemed quite pleased with the results and that explains it! I feel much better!

Anyone that wants a Sandcast for $50K just give me a call…….

 If they need two, let me know also.

[carnivorous chicken]

So quick question for you sandcast guys -- when the guy was talking about restoring that bike, he mentioned powder coating. I would think a purist would want paint, no? Powder coating isn't exactly restoring...

[BenelliSEI]

So quick question for you sandcast guys -- when the guy was talking about restoring that bike, he mentioned powder coating. I would think a purist would want paint, no? Powder coating isn't exactly restoring...

Totally agree. I did powder coat the side stand, centre stand and rider foot pegs for some extra durability, but everything else got paint!

[denward17]

^Can one readily see the difference between powder coat and paint?

[Mark1976]

   Depends on the people doing it, I just finished painting a frame with enamel (I swore I'd never paint another one, but the price of having frame coated has risen dramatically) and it looks pretty gosh darn good but I gotta admit that good powder coating is in my opinion far superior. It's finish is consistent, durable and as far as black goes, has far more depth.

[BenelliSEI]

^Can one readily see the difference between powder coat and paint?

Generally speaking: Yes. As Mark suggests, it usually appears to be thicker and definitely much hardier. Really resists chipping, scratches and scrapes. All the bikes I’ve restored from a bare frame always got powder coated. For the Sandcast I wanted to stay with the original finishes.

[seanbarney41]

The thing about powder coat is, repairs and touch-ups become a major problem...and lets be honest, it's not indestructible.  And once it does become necessary to totally re-do it?....good luck

[Don R]

 Our dragster was built in 91 and had black powder coat that was peeling. I peeled the entire roll cage, no blasting or sanding. They had coated over mill scale and it didn't adhere.
 I painted the cage and the new back half with Dupont Imron blitz black. I've touched up the chassis since then with VHT roll cage and chassis paint.

[Tracksnblades1]

Our dragster was built in 91 and had black powder coat that was peeling. I peeled the entire roll cage, no blasting or sanding. They had coated over mill scale and it didn't adhere.
 I painted the cage and the new back half with Dupont Imron blitz black. I've touched up the chassis since then with VHT roll cage and chassis paint.

Did you remove the mill scale before applying the ImRon…?

[Don R]

Our dragster was built in 91 and had black powder coat that was peeling. I peeled the entire roll cage, no blasting or sanding. They had coated over mill scale and it didn't adhere.
 I painted the cage and the new back half with Dupont Imron blitz black. I've touched up the chassis since then with VHT roll cage and chassis paint.

Did you remove the mill scale before applying the ImRon…?

  Of course, the car is still about half powder coat. 25% Dupont and 25% VHT Roll bar paint. 
  The car had two frame uprights in the front that cracked every two years. If you made new ones, two years and every year if you just welded them. I finally added moly tabs to the frame and made new tubes with clevises on the ends and bolted the upright in. Four years old now and looking good. I was worried that I had just moved the stress point elsewhere. Wherever the stress moved to it's able to cope with it. 

[grcamna2]

Don, the VHT roll bar and chassis paint;is that commercially available? what stock # ?

[Don R]

 I'd have to go out in the cold to get a for sure number.
  I get it at Advance Auto, the internet says #SP671 satin black epoxy paint. #SP670 gloss black epoxy paint. Those are Summit Racing part numbers but are close to VHT's numbers. The gloss isn't too shiny, it's what I use to touch-up Honda frames too. I think it's primer optional.
 Black Rustoleum appliance epoxy is pretty good also.

[grcamna2]

I'd have to go out in the cold to get a for sure number.
  I get it at Advance Auto, the internet says #SP671 satin black epoxy paint. #SP670 gloss black epoxy paint. Those are Summit Racing part numbers but are close to VHT's numbers. The gloss isn't too shiny, it's what I use to touch-up Honda frames too. I think it's primer optional.
 Black Rustoleum appliance epoxy is pretty good also.

I've used Rustoleum satin black epoxy 'Appliance' paint;I read on the back 'not for outdoor use 
I like that about the VHT satin black epoxy rollbar paint?