Topic: Painting Candy Gold

[pjandrew99]

Ready to move from primer to a silver base coat. Once the base coat is applied, is there any prep required before applying color?
How long between applying base coat and applying color? Does it matter?
Thanks!

[denward17]

Ready to move from primer to a silver base coat. Once the base coat is applied, is there any prep required before applying color?
How long between applying base coat and applying color? Does it matter?
Thanks!

I would follow the paint manufacture's directions on how long to wait between coats.  It usually is just minutes ranging from 10 mins to 30 mins or so.
No prep should be required between coats as long as you don't wait too long.

[Ozzybud]

Ready to move from primer to a silver base coat. Once the base coat is applied, is there any prep required before applying color?
How long between applying base coat and applying color? Does it matter?
Thanks!

Usually 30 minutes and no longer than 24 hours.
Find the tech sheets for the base and the Candy Gold Midcoat. follow the directions to the letter.
This is a three stage paint job with Clearcoat on top of the Midcoat.

[Don R]

 Hang your parts in good light, where you can see them like they would be on the bike. Any extra tint will make darker areas.  Like paint the airbox near the side covers.

[pjandrew99]

Thanks guys. Much appreciated!

[TideWater2]

You can read instructions on VMRPAINTS.COM for candy paints. It does vary between manufactures.

[pjandrew99]

You can read instructions on VMRPAINTS.COM for candy paints. It does vary between manufactures.

Very helpful! Thanks

[Cevan]

Where did you get your paint?

[pjandrew99]

Where did you get your paint?

Spaz Stix on Amazon. Rattle Can. About all I wanted to spend for now on this bike.

[Stev-o]

Where did you get your paint?

Spaz Stix on Amazon. Rattle Can. About all I wanted to spend for now on this bike.

Plz post the finished tank and your experience with that paint. Thx

[pjandrew99]

Where did you get your paint?

Spaz Stix on Amazon. Rattle Can. About all I wanted to spend for now on this bike.

Plz post the finished tank and your experience with that paint. Thx

Will do.

[HondaMan]

I just got some paint from 66Autocolor
https://www.66autocolor.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopkfegVzKC5zXG0eS5zvCzn-6a0H7Vw71jbqivGg7XNvBDQV2w0

It is a 3-step process, came in rattle-cans, with a trick hi-gloss topcoat in an even more trick 2-part-mix-in-one-can that I've not seen before. They have been good to work with and I'll return to them for my next bike's paint (CB350F project in Red). I asked them to match the 50+ year-old gold paint on my 750 by sending them a piece of the [crumbling] side covers, and they did it! It's a nice match, and after I apply the clearcoat (once it stops this 4-day snowstorm) I'll be posting pix. They care about the match.

[Cevan]

I just got some paint from 66Autocolor
https://www.66autocolor.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopkfegVzKC5zXG0eS5zvCzn-6a0H7Vw71jbqivGg7XNvBDQV2w0

It is a 3-step process, came in rattle-cans, with a trick hi-gloss topcoat in an even more trick 2-part-mix-in-one-can that I've not seen before. They have been good to work with and I'll return to them for my next bike's paint (CB350F project in Red). I asked them to match the 50+ year-old gold paint on my 750 by sending them a piece of the [crumbling] side covers, and they did it! It's a nice match, and after I apply the clearcoat (once it stops this 4-day snowstorm) I'll be posting pix. They care about the match.

Are you using a 2k clear?

[HondaMan]

I just got some paint from 66Autocolor
https://www.66autocolor.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopkfegVzKC5zXG0eS5zvCzn-6a0H7Vw71jbqivGg7XNvBDQV2w0

It is a 3-step process, came in rattle-cans, with a trick hi-gloss topcoat in an even more trick 2-part-mix-in-one-can that I've not seen before. They have been good to work with and I'll return to them for my next bike's paint (CB350F project in Red). I asked them to match the 50+ year-old gold paint on my 750 by sending them a piece of the [crumbling] side covers, and they did it! It's a nice match, and after I apply the clearcoat (once it stops this 4-day snowstorm) I'll be posting pix. They care about the match.

Are you using a 2k clear?

Yep, that's what they call it: I haven't used it before.
I used a LOT of kits from CT70 Paints when he was doing it, but that's gone (I think he died?).
I'm also about to try to use the VMR paints, but from a touchup gun(s). It is a 4-layer paint for Candy Gold finish with 5th layer for the black side panels (CB550) on the tank. We just haven't had painting weather here much, lately.

[Tracksnblades1]

Hang your parts in good light, where you can see them like they would be on the bike. Any extra tint will make darker areas.  Like paint the airbox near the side covers.

That’s the way I was taught..Have them hanging like their going to be on the car or what you’re paint..😁
Use the right temperature reducers for your conditions and such and follow tech sheet as already posted..
I’m not sure rattle can clear coat without an activator will fair well with gasoline spills..
ImRon has an activated clear coat in a rattle can for airplanes and boats that’s up to the task. Use proper PPE
with ImRon or other quality urethanes, etch…., don’t want no blind pups..

[kyle750]

I just got some paint from 66Autocolor
https://www.66autocolor.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopkfegVzKC5zXG0eS5zvCzn-6a0H7Vw71jbqivGg7XNvBDQV2w0

I asked them to match the 50+ year-old gold paint on my 750 by sending them a piece of the [crumbling] side covers, and they did it! It's a nice match, and after I apply the clearcoat (once it stops this 4-day snowstorm) I'll be posting pix. They care about the match.

This is VERY exciting and I'm looking forward to seeing the completed project 

[Cevan]

Quick question on the tank.  The inner portion is black.  Did this come from the factory as non-metallic?  My tank did not appear to have any flake but it was badly faded.

[Dr. Frankenstein]

Just my two cents, but I've used SprayMax 2K Clear in a rattle can for a clear coat, it hardens up really well. A little pricey, but worth it.  Has anybody used KustomCans rattle cans?

[denward17]

Quick question on the tank.  The inner portion is black.  Did this come from the factory as non-metallic?  My tank did not appear to have any flake but it was badly faded.

I think the "wings" on each side of the tank was just a gloss black with no metallic.

[pjandrew99]

Where did you get your paint?

Spaz Stix on Amazon. Rattle Can. About all I wanted to spend for now on this bike.

Plz post the finished tank and your experience with that paint. Thx

Will do.

Paint was junk IMO but what do you expect for the price. Would not recommend it. I'm repainting it but don't want to drop hundreds on paint. Any cost effective recommendations? Thanks

[denward17]

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Paint was junk IMO but what do you expect for the price. Would not recommend it. I'm repainting it but don't want to drop hundreds on paint. Any cost effective recommendations? Thanks
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66autocolor as mentioned above comes in aerosol cans and works great, I've used them twice with good results.

[Dr. Frankenstein]

See my post in 'What Did You Do To Your Bike Today"...I used Rustoleum Semi-Gloss for the black w/ no clear, Rustoleum Primer-Sealer for the base coat, Krylon Glitter Blast for the silver color coat, KustomCans Candy Orange for the color coat and SprayMax 2K Clear for the top coat. I'm very impressed with the KustomCans - the 12 oz. candy coat (one can!) lasted long enough for both side covers, the tank and even doing the underside of the tank with multiple coats . The Glitter Blast Silver lasted long enough to do all the sides and the tank before I used the candy, and it came out very close to the OEM Flake Sunrise Orange. Just my two cents. The SprayMax 2K Clear really made it pop! I'm adding the white two-stripe pinstriping after it dries.

[pjandrew99]

See my post in 'What Did You Do To Your Bike Today"...I used Rustoleum Semi-Gloss for the black w/ no clear, Rustoleum Primer-Sealer for the base coat, Krylon Glitter Blast for the silver color coat, KustomCans Candy Orange for the color coat and SprayMax 2K Clear for the top coat. I'm very impressed with the KustomCans - the 12 oz. candy coat (one can!) lasted long enough for both side covers, the tank and even doing the underside of the tank with multiple coats . The Glitter Blast Silver lasted long enough to do all the sides and the tank before I used the candy, and it came out very close to the OEM Flake Sunrise Orange. Just my two cents. The SprayMax 2K Clear really made it pop! I'm adding the white two-stripe pinstriping after it dries.

Fantastic! Great info. I'll check it out. Thanks!

[pjandrew99]

Paint was junk IMO but what do you expect for the price. Would not recommend it. I'm repainting it but don't want to drop hundreds on paint. Any cost effective recommendations? Thanks
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66autocolor as mentioned above comes in aerosol cans and works great, I've used them twice with good results.
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Thanks! Much appreciated!

[pjandrew99]

Well, my cheap paint is becoming very expensive. Lol Nothing new there I guess.
Since I'm only painting the tank, matching has been difficult. Also finding that you not only need to match the color but also the amount of flake. The flake on the rest of the bike seems greatly reduced. The last paint combo (Krylon/Kustom) proved to be the wrong color for what I have and way too much flake.
Next stop is 66 Auto Color. Wondering if a picture would give them some help in the matching process. Also, how would you reduce the amount of flake? Is the amount of flake driven by the silver, color coat or both? If I add more coats to darken the color, will I also be increasing the flake? Never painted Candy before. It's tricky especially when you are trying to match.
Fortunately, retirement has given me the time to fix my screw ups!
Thanks for the help!

[bryanj]

The matching problem is why you paint all the coloured parts at the same time

[pjandrew99]

The matching problem is why you paint all the coloured parts at the same time

Yep, I get it. Honestly, I thought it would be easier than it is. This bike has painted fenders along with tank and side covers. All the other painted parts are pretty good. Thanks

[Cevan]

I would recommend the VMR paint. 

[grcamna2]

Following 

[Stev-o]

The matching problem is why you paint all the coloured parts at the same time

+1...nearly impossible to match old paint.  My painter has failed twice on two projects in the past, lesson learned.

[pjandrew99]

Just got off the phone with VMR. Extremely knowledgeable guy who has sprayed Candy Gold in the past.
The base coat contains the metallic. It is tinted with gold and a few other colors in order to get as close to original as possible. The metallic they put in is very fine. More or less coats will not alter the amount of metallic you see. The degree of visual metallic is determined by the formula.
The mid-coat contains no metallic and is essentially a tinted clear coat. The more coats the darker it gets. He stressed that doing a test piece is critical to getting as close to a match as possible. He agreed that trying to match Candy is extremely difficult.
The final stage is the clear coat. For my tank, I think I'll use the Spray-Max 2k clear. I have a can of high gloss but thinking I may purchase matte or satin to try to get as close to the current finish as possible.
I am going to give it another shot to match using the VMR paint.

[HondaMan]

Just something I thought I would mention: my recollection of the black-sided gas tanks was that the black panels were not clear-coated from Honda. They were a semi-gloss black, regardless of the candy color, so it was obvious (literally "out of the box") that those were done last, and then the decals applied around the black panels. Many people (mostly customers) remarked about it on the 500 when it came out. One even asked our salesman if "we did it" to the 500. The gloss difference between the candy and the black was pretty obvious back then.

[pjandrew99]

Just got off the phone with VMR. Extremely knowledgeable guy who has sprayed Candy Gold in the past.
The base coat contains the metallic. It is tinted with gold and a few other colors in order to get as close to original as possible. The metallic they put in is very fine. More or less coats will not alter the amount of metallic you see. The degree of visual metallic is determined by the formula.
The mid-coat contains no metallic and is essentially a tinted clear coat. The more coats the darker it gets. He stressed that doing a test piece is critical to getting as close to a match as possible. He agreed that trying to match Candy is extremely difficult.
The final stage is the clear coat. For my tank, I think I'll use the Spray-Max 2k clear. I have a can of high gloss but thinking I may purchase matte or satin to try to get as close to the current finish as possible.
I am going to give it another shot to match using the VMR paint.



Well I priced the VMR paint and while I'm sure it's worth it, I just couldn't bring myself to spend the money on this particular bike. Again, just looking to do a low cost close match to get this back on the road. Basically, trying to match the tank with existing side covers and fenders as best I can. The pics below show the results using Rustoleum 2-1 primer, VHT Gold Flake engine paint and Dupli-Color Metal Cast Orange Copper. The decals were made with paper purchased from Amazon. It's a decent low cost match which was close enough for my purposes. Finished with Spray Max 2K clear. You can adjust the final color with the amount of coats you add with the Metal Cast. Did test strips first to determine the number of coats I needed.

[denward17]

You did good PJ, looks good!

[pjandrew99]

You did good PJ, looks good!

Thanks!

[CycleRanger]

Wow, nice results with off the shelf rattle cans!