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Engine Gaskets, Seals, Etc
« on: June 05, 2025, 12:05:02 PM »
I'm re-assembling a '78 750k engine that has been apart for quite some time. I didn't keep track of all the seals, o-rings, and gaskets that were removed. Are there kits available that contain all required gaskets, etc, or do I need to order them individually? Is it better to go with OEM or after market? Thanks.

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Re: Engine Gaskets, Seals, Etc
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2025, 01:03:47 PM »
OEM is best but expensive and may not be available, pattern full sets are out there but frequently dont include the pucks under the cam towers.
Seals are all individuals
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2025, 10:31:19 PM »
Complete gasket kit + oil seal kit.
Still a few o-rings missing.

Here a kit with both oil seals and gaskets + o-rings.

https://ebay.us/m/fpMJnK

Note! The oil filter cover o-ring usually too thin when delivered with the filter.

I bought a 50 pack from an o-ring vendor. 89x4.5mm (ID+ thickness)
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Re: Engine Gaskets, Seals, Etc
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2025, 11:24:53 PM »
That dont say 78, i know the F2 is different
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2025, 12:29:20 AM »
K7 is same as K 1978, right?

Maybe I'm wrong, it was something with the oil seals from K7 and forwards?

I learned to not use too thick o-rings under the cam holders.
Like 6.0x2.0mm viton that cracked up in small pieces. Could have blocked the oil.

I ordered a 50 pack of 5.8x1.9mm NBR after I took that photo. Cheap on eBay.
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The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
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Re: Engine Gaskets, Seals, Etc
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2025, 02:22:45 AM »
Complete gasket kit + oil seal kit.
Still a few o-rings missing.

Here a kit with both oil seals and gaskets + o-rings.

https://ebay.us/m/fpMJnK

Note! The oil filter cover o-ring usually too thin when delivered with the filter.

I bought a 50 pack from an o-ring vendor. 89x4.5mm (ID+ thickness)
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2025, 02:52:52 AM »
That dont say 78, i know the F2 is different
But Dave is asking for the 78 K not F
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 1 K2, 4 K6, 1 K8, 1 F1, 1 F3
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2025, 03:15:22 AM »
That dont say 78, i know the F2 is different
But Dave is asking for the 78 K not F
I thought K7 and 1978 K is more or less same bike engine wise. SOCH. Not twin cam.

That seller as an example.

When I ordered gaskets from USA the shipping was even higher ;D
« Last Edit: June 06, 2025, 03:18:40 AM by PeWe »
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2025, 03:20:02 AM »
I remember the Honda manual saying F2 and K8 so i take them being same
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2025, 04:34:03 AM »
I remember the Honda manual saying F2 and K8 so i take them being same
The 78 K8 is the same as the K7(392 motors) and is different from the 78 F Supersport motor(410 motors) which has different oiling paths to and from the head.
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1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 1 K2, 4 K6, 1 K8, 1 F1, 1 F3
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Engine Gaskets, Seals, Etc
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2025, 04:42:53 AM »
That dont say 78, i know the F2 is different
But Dave is asking for the 78 K not F
I thought K7 and 1978 K is more or less same bike engine wise. SOCH. Not twin cam.


When I ordered gaskets from USA the shipping was even higher ;D

Per
You are in a closer proximity to Germany. To suggest a link from Germany to someone in the US is very expensive on shipping. Here in the states, there are closer suppliers, most with free shipping(to US addresses)

Maybe just a suggestion to say Veserah is a good choice for a gasket set would be helpful.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 1 K2, 4 K6, 1 K8, 1 F1, 1 F3
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Engine Gaskets, Seals, Etc
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2025, 05:13:18 AM »
I remember the Honda manual saying F2 and K8 so i take them being same
The 78 K8 is the same as the K7(392 motors) and is different from the 78 F Supersport motor(410 motors) which has different oiling paths to and from the head.
Just sn example. Next to find something similar with closer and lower shipping.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Engine Gaskets, Seals, Etc
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2025, 09:26:24 AM »
Regardless of which gasket set you buy, PM me for 2 O-rings that will not come with your gasket set. These 2 O-rings go through the head gasket at the cylinder deck and are 0.2mm thicker than OEM because NO KIT contains the proper ones today. This is due to the head gaskets getting thicker when asbestos was outlawed in them circa 1996: all these head gaskets got 0.2mm thicker when the modern materials were used, which leaves no seal around the oil ports - and they WILL leak as the result.

I also sell a kit of all the remaining O-rings in the engine that no kits anywhere supply: PM me for details about that.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2025, 10:52:48 AM »
Does this result in a leak visible outside the engine? Where should I be checking, please? I used a David Silver gasket set (Vesrah, I think) and put it back on the road before I saw your advice.

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2025, 12:06:24 PM »
Does this result in a leak visible outside the engine? Where should I be checking, please? I used a David Silver gasket set (Vesrah, I think) and put it back on the road before I saw your advice.

The leak that occurs begins around the 2 oil ports at the back of the cylinders, on either side of the cam chain's tunnel. Most of the time it takes 500-1500 miles after a rebuild before it appears: if the cylinders were milled down 0.010" to compensate for the new head gasket, it takes longer, like ~4000 miles for it show up. Since most aftermarket gaskets don't have the extra goo that Honda used in the head gaskets to forestall this sort of leak, the O-ring must work better than it did OEM, so I make them 0.2mm thicker (like the head gasket is) than OEM and also mill the cylinder deck 0.22mm (0.010"), which puts those O-rings at near maximum seal tightness for the 60 PSI pressure there. (If you squish an O-ring beyond 25% of their cross-section they tend to have short lives and can split).

With aftermarket head gaskets and the standard 2.2mm thick O-rings, it appears first in the center of the front of the engine in most cases, because of the tilt of the top end. Eventually it also starts showing up just above the cam chain tensioner body in the back, That's why these 2 spots are always so wet in these engines: it is common with the OEM engine after 50k miles and 40+ years when those 2 O-rings got hard and stopped sealing very well. It's worse with thinner oils, and high-detergent oils can bring it about more quickly as they dissolve the goo Honda put on the head gasket itself.

On engines that live in places like Arizona, Texas, South Africa or Iraq where it's pretty hot, the OEM head gasket lasts longest with this extra sealing added. They are getting hard to find, though. My last one of those went to a 750F1 in Iraq in 2011, still doing well (fingers crossed!). In the aftermarket gaskets I've had the best luck with the Vesrah, which is why you'll see me mention them often for the 750.
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Re: Engine Gaskets, Seals, Etc
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2025, 03:13:00 PM »
Thanks for the reply. Will be keeping a check on it. No sign yet after 2,500 miles, but much of that in cooler temps. Must admit, I don't fancy taking it apart again, until it needs something more serious doing, unless it gets really bad. So, I'll be just cleaning if (I guess more likely, when) it starts to happen.

That's assuming it doesn't harm oil pressure / flow to the head?

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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2025, 06:12:49 PM »
Thanks for the reply. Will be keeping a check on it. No sign yet after 2,500 miles, but much of that in cooler temps. Must admit, I don't fancy taking it apart again, until it needs something more serious doing, unless it gets really bad. So, I'll be just cleaning if (I guess more likely, when) it starts to happen.

That's assuming it doesn't harm oil pressure / flow to the head?

It's not a lot of oil, just enough to make a mess on long trips, usually.
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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