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CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« on: July 08, 2025, 05:42:53 PM »
Carbs were cleaned and synced ~7 months ago or so, timing is right, plugs are all firing. The engine starts up like a champ and drives just fine, but after the engine gets hot it starts to stutter when the throttle position is really low. This is true at high speed and at low speed, but after the engine is hot and the bike is still and in first gear, revving the throttle at all chokes the engine and it dies.

I'm pretty sure its rich in this condition, 3 reasons:

1. When I screw the air screws really far out (like 7 full turns) it seems to not be as bad, although its still there. At 7/8ths it dies reliably.
2. The exhaust smells rich, and looks rich.
3. The plugs are a bit sooty (not horrible, but sooty none the less).

To combat the richness, I set the floats a bit low. This didnt seem to have a significant effect. The jets are all original brass...but i wonder if I made a mistake cleaning the idle jets a few months ago because I used a needle (probably steel) and I'm suspecting it may have made the hole oversized.

HondaMan suggested it could be related to the orings on the primary jet being too small. The only thing I used from the carb rebuild kits were the orings and the ones on the primary were indeed pretty thin, but I don't have, nor have I heard anyone suggest anywhere I can get properly sized orings.

OK, let me throw one other thing into this mix. the bike has a 50k+ miles on it, and the cam chain tensioner is shot, it was shot when i bought it but not too noisy, and now its its rattling like crazy. I'm thinking I will have to tear the whole engine down to fix that too. So, I'm soliciting opinions, should I just bite the bullet and do all this at the same time, or try to get it running better before I start the rebuild — one less variable?

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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2025, 05:54:08 PM »
7 FULL Turns? No way
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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2025, 09:06:36 PM »
7 sir, I kid you not!

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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2025, 09:30:40 PM »
If they are the same as 400 ask Nurse Julie a member here, she sell good O ring kits for 400,500 and 550
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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2025, 12:18:34 AM »
1. Is air intake free and unobstructed?
2. You may have reamed the slow jets. Do not poke anything in them that's harder than brass.
3. O-rings main jets need to be inspected to be sure. Pull and push them out and in. Do not 'screw' them in.
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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2025, 08:28:11 AM »
1. Is air intake free and unobstructed?
2. You may have reamed the slow jets. Do not poke anything in them that's harder than brass.
3. O-rings main jets need to be inspected to be sure. Pull and push them out and in. Do not 'screw' them in.

1. Yes — new air filter, original airbox.
2. That would suck. Anyone have a source for OEM jets? I believe they are part number: 99124-286-0351
3. Going to see if I can replace these with ones from Honda Man

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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2025, 04:17:14 PM »
Have you checked your choke adjustment, to be sure it's fully opening? Air filter blocked / incorrect? I had rich running from a Keyster brass kit on my 750. Went back to the originals.

Rich smell does point to carbs, but sometimes ignition: Weak coils / other ignition components, causing weak spark? Badly retarded ignition timing? Incorrect, fake or just poor plugs...

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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2025, 08:11:27 PM »
1. Is air intake free and unobstructed?
2. You may have reamed the slow jets. Do not poke anything in them that's harder than brass.
3. O-rings main jets need to be inspected to be sure. Pull and push them out and in. Do not 'screw' them in.

1. Yes — new air filter, original airbox.
2. That would suck. Anyone have a source for OEM jets? I believe they are part number: 99124-286-0351
3. Going to see if I can replace these with ones from Honda Man

Here is a great source for honds jets. They have slow jets #35 as well the part number for those is 99124-076-035
The number 99124-286-xxx is a slow jet part number for somthing else

These are Keihin Jets!

https://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb350f-four-general-export_model14632/
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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2025, 09:17:56 AM »
I got new idle jets and installed them this weekend.

BTW — these are original OEM parts, and have the actual star K on them — everywhere that had "oem" parts when i messaged them admitted they were actually Keyster, except WeBike https://japan.webike.net/products/25690759.html — also the price was fantastic so for anyone looking for OEM jets, these were legit.

Long story short though, the new idle jets did not fix my issue coming off idle when the bike is hot (might have helped a bit). I think the next thing im going to do is the clear tube method for the carbs. Im 100% sure the floats are set right because I measured them so many times, but nothing else i can think of would be causing this rich symptom when hot.

Unless yall have other suggestions

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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2025, 12:37:24 PM »
Did I send you some O-rings for the mainjets?
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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2025, 12:40:06 PM »
Did I send you some O-rings for the mainjets?

You did HondaMan! THANK YOU. I actually installed them yesterday, sadly, they were actually a bit too thick and sheered when i tapped them in, so i had to go back to the too-thin ones. However, even though they are thin they do sit fairly snug, snug enough to not fall out if tipped upside down.

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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2025, 01:17:20 PM »
Did I send you some O-rings for the mainjets?

You did HondaMan! THANK YOU. I actually installed them yesterday, sadly, they were actually a bit too thick and sheered when i tapped them in, so i had to go back to the too-thin ones. However, even though they are thin they do sit fairly snug, snug enough to not fall out if tipped upside down.

Did you use lubrication ( grease) when installing the jets? It's a must.
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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2025, 01:19:14 PM »
Did I send you some O-rings for the mainjets?

You did HondaMan! THANK YOU. I actually installed them yesterday, sadly, they were actually a bit too thick and sheered when i tapped them in, so i had to go back to the too-thin ones. However, even though they are thin they do sit fairly snug, snug enough to not fall out if tipped upside down.

Did you use lubrication ( grease) when installing the jets? It's a must.

Sure did.

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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2025, 08:17:58 PM »
Did I send you some O-rings for the mainjets?

You did HondaMan! THANK YOU. I actually installed them yesterday, sadly, they were actually a bit too thick and sheered when i tapped them in, so i had to go back to the too-thin ones. However, even though they are thin they do sit fairly snug, snug enough to not fall out if tipped upside down.

That's a good sign: it means those carbs were not damaged by the years of MTBE in our gas. In those carbs that suffered it, the O-rings I sent you are still too thin!
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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2025, 08:21:00 PM »
I think the next thing im going to do is the clear tube method for the carbs.
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Re: CB350F dies when hot and coming off idle
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2025, 04:08:32 PM »
I think the next thing im going to do is the clear tube method for the carbs.
Yes, please do this test! :D

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