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Cool rare shot.
« on: July 30, 2025, 08:29:47 PM »
On my test bench where I run-in the Transistor Ignitions the sparkplugs that are attached to the coils as test loads have not been moved in 8 years. Today I happened to notice grit lying under each plug: it is the electrical erosion, wearing off the ground leg of the sparkplugs. You can see it as "dust" lying near the pencil point. It's all electrode metal bits, worn off the ground arm.

A rare shot!
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Re: Cool rare shot.
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2025, 11:24:58 PM »
On each coil one plug sparks centre to ground the other ground to centre when on the bike, Suzuki used to recommend swapping the plugs 1 and 4 plus 2 and 3 on service
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Re: Cool rare shot.
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2025, 12:33:54 AM »
Hondaman, is there a simple, not too expensive way to test coils simulating riding conditions. In other words: what do you use to generate let's say 15-170 Hz?
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Re: Cool rare shot.
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2025, 02:51:33 AM »
The Honda workshop suitcase tester will tes coils, good luck finding one and if the apear they cost
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Re: Cool rare shot.
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2025, 07:23:56 PM »
Hondaman, is there a simple, not too expensive way to test coils simulating riding conditions. In other words: what do you use to generate let's say 15-170 Hz?

After our Honda coil tester "suitcase" failed in 1972 (it had a vibrator tube to generate the simulated points activity) I built a solid-state multivibrator to drive the tester with. I left that one in the suitcase when I left my shop, but built a similar unit for testing and burn-in of the Transistor Ignitions I make now. It's a simple flip-flop circuit of a couple of transistors that invert the pulse for the 2nd coil so it runs just like in the bikes. If you'd like the schematic for it, I'll see if I can find it: it's in one of my (many) bikestuff notebooks, but I recently got a scanner so I can digitize some of this stuff! :D I don't remember the RPM range of this one, but it is somewhere around [simulated] 5500 RPM that I run the test burn-in time, about 2-8 hours per unit (depending on if I remember to turn it off at bedtime?).

The interesting thing I noticed about these coils/debris sites is: the upper one in the picture is driven by the negative-pulse side of the circuit, and the tiny flakes are coming off the electrode: the lower one's flakes are coming off the ground arm. So, they do wear in opposite directions, like the old Suzuki notes suggest.
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Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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