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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2025, 10:39:53 AM »


Moral of this story: ask the vendor which swingarms their bushings will fit. If they say something like "all CB750" then find another vendor: they are NOT all the same size in the 750.
I think it depends on which make / type of replacement bronze bushing is being used Mark. We fit the same bush to all model Honda CB SOHC 4's 1969-1978. We've never had any issues on either our own bikes, our restoration bikes or customers bikes and a lot of members of the UK forum also use bushes supplied by me.
I've only ever used or supplied the one type of bushing and over the past 9 years have sold / used about 500 pairs with no issues.
Bryan made a good point earlier, it's usually the pivot bar that wears if anything, especially on the higher mileage bikes, so it's always worth looking at that as part of a refurb.



I have seen (here) some bronze bushings, back in the 1980s era, which were good ones: they were in my own 750 for almost 100,000 miles before they wore. But, starting in the 1990s (probably with the advent of CNC machines everywhere) every mother's son started making bushings for these bikes (because Honda's own have been junk since their 1980s MIMs type came out). The problem was always the same 2 things, either:
1.) lack of proper tolerancing on those that they made with flanges on them to mimic Honda's 1976-and-later phenolic ones, so the swingarms simply jammed tight when the bolt was torqued. The flanges had to be 2mm +0/-0.1mm thickness, and if made that thin they cracked off as soon as the pivot bolt was tightened, and then ground up everything with its pieces in short order.
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2.) the makers assumed Honda used 1 swingarm bushing for all the bikes. As explained earlier, this was never true. The 750 had 3 distinct sizes (early straight bushing, later straight bushing, and flanged bushing with the later straight one's dimensioning inside the pivot). The CB500/CB550 before 1975 used the 750 parts, and after that used the later straight 750 bushings and collar.

The collars changed, too, as many folks know: the early ones had grease passages inside the bolt that were fed from the outer ends that put the grease directly into the pivots, while the later ones were solid and the grease zerk was moved to the center of the swingarm pivot. But this version required greasing on-schedule or else the OEM grease hardened in 3 years' time and no further greasing was possible. These are the arms I see the most, with old grease so hard in them that it can't be crushed without pliers.  :-\

The 2 different collars also made a big difference in lifetime. The early ones were slightly smaller OD and had the grease grooves and inner passages, while the latter are an actual interference fit (0.00" or 0.00mm) between the outer half of its bearing surface and the bushing itself, so until the pivot gets so hot from friction (and engine heat) that it melts the grease (if any) from the central grease zerk (which is spread across 1/2 of the length of the collar) it then becomes oil and works a little bit of it into the outer half of the bearing area. Obviously, if the swingarm isn't greased every 3000 miles/4500 km even this paltry lube won't happen.

I suppose that living where I do (Rocky Mountain region) makes this a bigger issue, as good handling is as important as solid brakes and truly good tires are when riding here. Bikes that don't handle well either hurt or kill their riders here, or get sold to someone else. So, I do quite some suspension work more than when I lived in the flatlands of the Midwest. ;)
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2025, 10:48:13 AM »


Moral of this story: ask the vendor which swingarms their bushings will fit. If they say something like "all CB750" then find another vendor: they are NOT all the same size in the 750.
I think it depends on which make / type of replacement bronze bushing is being used Mark. We fit the same bush to all model Honda CB SOHC 4's 1969-1978. We've never had any issues on either our own bikes, our restoration bikes or customers bikes and a lot of members of the UK forum also use bushes supplied by me.
I've only ever used or supplied the one type of bushing and over the past 9 years have sold / used about 500 pairs with no issues.
Bryan made a good point earlier, it's usually the pivot bar that wears if anything, especially on the higher mileage bikes, so it's always worth looking at that as part of a refurb.
That Honda bushing numbers are the same (52108-300-300) for the 750, 500, 550 350 until you get into later 750's 550's and the 400f which are flanged (52108-457-300). That indicates OD and ID are the same....flange is the only difference. Like everything else with an interference fit it is a good idea to measure OD and ID. If OD is slightly too big put it in a lathe and use some paper on it. Check the ID of the bushing/ OD of the pivot too...I've had to hone some bushing ID's. Or just use a needle bearing kit. I ran one for years and never had any problems
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2025, 01:41:57 PM »
Thanks Mate!  Grabbed hold tight of the back wheel and tried to shake with force from side to side. Zero Wobble - not even a hint of side to side movement.  Solid as a rock.

Good news! I was once fooled by one that was so packed with crap and corrosion it felt solid. When you get into the swing arm you’ll confirm the condition. Take it all apart, clean, lubricate and put it all back together to make sure. Good luck!
This test really should be done with the rear shocks disconnected from the swingarm.
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2025, 02:40:25 PM »

This test really should be done with the rear shocks disconnected from the swingarm.

Agreed.  I will wait to receive the replacement KONI shocks and then remove the old stock shocks and do another swingarm wobble test.
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I bought the older Kibblewhite bronze bushings because I like the color and patina of the bronze (seriously)  :) Although I could very well be wrong it looks like these "might" have more impregnated oil in the metal?? I also like the updated flange design for convenience while eliminating the need for spacers.  Just grease it up and drive it in?

No one really know which bushings will be the best fit due to slight differences in manufacturing, wear to the swingarm, and the effects of time but I had to make a decision and hope for the best. If these don't work then I'll try a different set - No Worries. Many thanks for all the advice and assistance - very much appreciated!
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2025, 07:15:17 AM »
Kibblewhite

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No one really know which bushings will be the best fit due to slight differences in manufacturing, wear to the swingarm...

Unless something weird has happened, the swingarm itself really won't wear, the bronze bushing will.
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2025, 07:46:25 AM »
You want to make sure the assembly isn't too wide when you drive them in. I don't recall them going in very tightly, should be easy to check.
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2025, 08:19:45 AM »


Moral of this story: ask the vendor which swingarms their bushings will fit. If they say something like "all CB750" then find another vendor: they are NOT all the same size in the 750.
I think it depends on which make / type of replacement bronze bushing is being used Mark. We fit the same bush to all model Honda CB SOHC 4's 1969-1978. We've never had any issues on either our own bikes, our restoration bikes or customers bikes and a lot of members of the UK forum also use bushes supplied by me.
I've only ever used or supplied the one type of bushing and over the past 9 years have sold / used about 500 pairs with no issues.
Bryan made a good point earlier, it's usually the pivot bar that wears if anything, especially on the higher mileage bikes, so it's always worth looking at that as part of a refurb.
That Honda bushing numbers are the same (52108-300-300) for the 750, 500, 550 350 until you get into later 750's 550's and the 400f which are flanged (52108-457-300). That indicates OD and ID are the same....flange is the only difference. Like everything else with an interference fit it is a good idea to measure OD and ID. If OD is slightly too big put it in a lathe and use some paper on it. Check the ID of the bushing/ OD of the pivot too...I've had to hone some bushing ID's. Or just use a needle bearing kit. I ran one for years and never had any problems

 I just remembered this, you have to be sure the ID is smaller than the OD, otherwise the hole will be on the outside.
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2025, 08:52:08 PM »
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 Or just use a needle bearing kit. I ran one for years and never had any problems
Both my CB750's have needle bearing kits.
My K6 got one 1980. Stock was crap.
No issues, installed with grease with no refill. Ca 65.000 km, most of them with 836 closer to 80whp. Long tours thru Europe with high load. 2 persons and luggage.

Bike got a restored K2 swingarm to 2014 with new needle bearing kit. Old arm had broken brackets for chain guard.

Now after over 55.000km,  25.000km 80-90 whp,  30.000km +100whp mostly 105, top 107.5 whp. So the swingarm has got some to hold. Still ok handling.

I have thoughts about taking out the bolt and fill bearings with new grease when changing the tire next time.
The shocks lowers need to come off from swingarm too.
Maybe worth it so I know.
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2025, 12:13:51 PM »
......
 Or just use a needle bearing kit. I ran one for years and never had any problems
Both my CB750's have needle bearing kits.
My K6 got one 1980. Stock was crap.
No issues, installed with grease with no refill. Ca 65.000 km, most of them with 836 closer to 80whp. Long tours thru Europe with high load. 2 persons and luggage.

Bike got a restored K2 swingarm to 2014 with new needle bearing kit. Old arm had broken brackets for chain guard.

Now after over 55.000km,  25.000km 80-90 whp,  30.000km +100whp mostly 105, top 107.5 whp. So the swingarm has got some to hold. Still ok handling.

I have thoughts about taking out the bolt and fill bearings with new grease when changing the tire next time.
The shocks lowers need to come off from swingarm too.
Maybe worth it so I know.


Do you remember what the brand of those roller bearings was, PeWe? I tried 2 different sets, but both were as loose as worn-out bushings after installation.

By that time I had installed and removed 2 sets of 'bad' bronze ones from eBay (one set had too large OD, crumpled on the way in, the other set had the flanges, which were too thick and made the collar and bike frame span too short), then 2 different sets of the roller bearings (one VERY loose, the other just loose), then I bought a lathe and made my own. (I worked in a machine shop then, too, had excellent assistance!)
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2025, 03:05:45 PM »
I used a Tour Master brand needle bearing swingarm kit on the 74' CB 550 K0. It installed easily and works great, it wasn't loose or anything like that.
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2025, 05:00:44 PM »
I used a Tour Master brand needle bearing swingarm kit on the 74' CB 550 K0. It installed easily and works great, it wasn't loose or anything like that.
Are they still available?
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2025, 06:43:04 PM »
I have the Tourmaster kit as well.  Purchased NOS, no idea if it is still available.  Have been saving it for a build that needs it that will also be a keeper.  Also have Dunstall swingarm on one bike that uses roller bearings.  I did record the Timken part number so  replacements could be sourced at some time in the future.
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2025, 06:53:20 AM »
I used a Tour Master brand needle bearing swingarm kit on the 74' CB 550 K0. It installed easily and works great, it wasn't loose or anything like that.
Are they still available?

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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2025, 01:10:01 AM »
SCI has a good price on the swingarm roller bearing kit.

https://siriusconinc.com/products/detail/1179
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2025, 06:12:49 AM »
SCI has a good price on the swingarm roller bearing kit.

https://siriusconinc.com/products/detail/1179
I have installed that kit....it went in well all times.
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2025, 12:07:06 PM »
......
 Or just use a needle bearing kit. I ran one for years and never had any problems
Both my CB750's have needle bearing kits.
My K6 got one 1980. Stock was crap.
No issues, installed with grease with no refill. Ca 65.000 km, most of them with 836 closer to 80whp. Long tours thru Europe with high load. 2 persons and luggage.

Bike got a restored K2 swing arm to 2014 with new needle bearing kit. Old arm had broken brackets for chain guard.

Now after over 55.000km,  25.000km 80-90 whp,  30.000km +100whp mostly 105, top 107.5 whp. So the swingarm has got some to hold. Still ok handling.

I have thoughts about taking out the bolt and fill bearings with new grease when changing the tire next time.
The shocks lowers need to come off from swingarm too.
Maybe worth it so I know.


Do you remember what the brand of those roller bearings was, PeWe? I tried 2 different sets, but both were as loose as worn-out bushings after installation.

By that time I had installed and removed 2 sets of 'bad' bronze ones from eBay (one set had too large OD, crumpled on the way in, the other set had the flanges, which were too thick and made the collar and bike frame span too short), then 2 different sets of the roller bearings (one VERY loose, the other just loose), then I bought a lathe and made my own. (I worked in a machine shop then, too, had excellent assistance!)
The K2 swingarm my K6 got was bought on Ebay. Restored, powder coated and needle bearings fitted.

My K2 got a set from AC-Motorradteile on eBay Germany. They do not have that today.

I have a new set I ordered from CCC. Planned to be used in a build.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401385368390?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=oURKvVbeSKm&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=XgCEg0CPSya&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2025, 04:06:44 PM »
I think 4 bearings would better support the swing arm than two and having a wide bearing width like the stock bushing ideal. I also have no issue with bushings. I ride bikes with both (road and dirt) and replace needle bearings more often (dirt bike) due to water contamination. Needle bearings will fail sooner than bushings under that condition. A modern bike with needle bearings employs rubber seals, something to consider when missing in the design.         

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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2025, 04:36:50 PM »
Both needle roller and taper roller bearings work fantastically when the shsft or bearining is rotating like in a wheel but do not do as well when only moving backwards and forwards around a centre point, in this condition they are prone to brinelling(hardness failing) and indenting the races or shaft. Load capacity may be stightly higher but life isnt
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2025, 09:39:20 AM »


I have thoughts about taking out the bolt and fill bearings with new grease when changing the tire next time.
The shocks lowers need to come off from swing arm too.
Maybe worth it so I know.
I dropped those thoughts today when I changed rear tire. It took some time and efforts. Swingarm has no play sideways.
I thought if I should remove bolt and inner shaft, needles can fall out and suddenly lots of more work....

I have a K6 swing arm, new powder paint without bearings. I'll install a new needle bearing kit for the day my K6 can get a K6 swingarm. Probably new shock bushings too.

I'll try a Tourmax kit in it.
I checked my bearing kit I ordered from Classic Cycle City eBay Germany 2 years ago. To be used in my too slow CB750 K2 build.
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CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2025, 03:40:43 PM »
How to modify these roller swingarm kits to be greasable from the swingarm pivot bolt size zerks? The sleeve goes over the original pivot bolt but has no holes for grease to flow from the inner bolt through the bearings on the outside. I was thinking mine is due for fresh grease since installed in 2013, but maybe I should drill a hole toward each side of the sleeve inside of the bearing. Idea being grease goes in the bolt, through the sleeve, then back out to the side through the bearing. Thoughts?

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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2025, 02:08:15 AM »
Thats how it worked on the original setup but you might find the pin to hard to drill.
Just for info every time i stripped a swing arm for play i found the collar more worn than the bushes
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Re: The never ending CB750 visual inspection - swingarm bushings
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2025, 08:27:46 AM »


Moral of this story: ask the vendor which swingarms their bushings will fit. If they say something like "all CB750" then find another vendor: they are NOT all the same size in the 750.
I think it depends on which make / type of replacement bronze bushing is being used Mark. We fit the same bush to all model Honda CB SOHC 4's 1969-1978. We've never had any issues on either our own bikes, our restoration bikes or customers bikes and a lot of members of the UK forum also use bushes supplied by me.
I've only ever used or supplied the one type of bushing and over the past 9 years have sold / used about 500 pairs with no issues.
Bryan made a good point earlier, it's usually the pivot bar that wears if anything, especially on the higher mileage bikes, so it's always worth looking at that as part of a refurb.
That Honda bushing numbers are the same (52108-300-300) for the 750, 500, 550 350 until you get into later 750's 550's and the 400f which are flanged (52108-457-300). That indicates OD and ID are the same....flange is the only difference. Like everything else with an interference fit it is a good idea to measure OD and ID. If OD is slightly too big put it in a lathe and use some paper on it. Check the ID of the bushing/ OD of the pivot too...I've had to hone some bushing ID's. Or just use a needle bearing kit. I ran one for years and never had any problems

I have a needle bearing kit in my CB750K2 that went in there in 1993 or so, granted it sat idle for a couple decades in between then and now. Still seems OK.

Bill