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Re: Virginia Tech Shooting (WARNING: EMOTIONAL CONTENT)
« Reply #100 on: April 20, 2007, 10:38:08 PM »
Im in with the others in using the VT avatar for the next week or so. Consider it support from the canadians in this place.
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« Reply #101 on: April 21, 2007, 10:59:55 AM »
Im in with the others in using the VT avatar for the next week or so. Consider it support from the canadians in this place.
Thank you brother. We are stuck on the same landmass. So what happens to one will impact the other sooner or later.
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Re: Virginia Tech Shooting (WARNING: EMOTIONAL CONTENT)
« Reply #102 on: April 21, 2007, 01:50:21 PM »
Im in with the others in using the VT avatar for the next week or so. Consider it support from the canadians in this place.
Thank you brother. We are stuck on the same landmass. So what happens to one will impact the other sooner or later.

That is very true..hate to be a realist here but i wouldnt be suprised if the next tragic event like this is up here in canada...seems to be the trend with things like that...First Columbine then Tabor..VT now where next?
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Re: Virginia Tech Shooting (WARNING: EMOTIONAL CONTENT)
« Reply #103 on: April 21, 2007, 03:40:43 PM »
Im in with the others in using the VT avatar for the next week or so. Consider it support from the canadians in this place.
Thank you brother. We are stuck on the same landmass. So what happens to one will impact the other sooner or later.

That is very true..hate to be a realist here but i wouldnt be suprised if the next tragic event like this is up here in canada...seems to be the trend with things like that...First Columbine then Tabor..VT now where next?

           I don't cherish any more activities like this here in the states, or anywhere for that matter. Sure hope you folks in Canada don't get a rash of this too, though. It's really sad that it has to happen at all. :(  It's good to see some of us sporting the avatar that Bobby R has provided.

          Bobby, Thank you for posting the VT avatar too and offering it, so that we can use it too if we desire to. Personally, I'm proud to have it for this period of time. It's still just so hard to believe that it happened, you know?

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Re: Virginia Tech Shooting (WARNING: EMOTIONAL CONTENT)
« Reply #104 on: April 29, 2007, 04:18:52 AM »
Warning Religious content that some may no agree with. This was sent me by a friend.

This on one of the Young Men from our area. I've bought cattle in Narrows,

"A man I work with brought this to work and shared it with me, it had been sent to his Pastor at Hickory Tree Union Church by Mr. Mark Cox. This concerns one of the students who was killed at VA. Tech in the mass shooting.

 

Jarrett Lane, a civil engineering major from Narrows, Va., was in Dr. G.V. Loganathan's classroom in Norris Hall when he was shot and killed. A senior and recipient of a special scholarship for engineering students, he had just celebrated his 22nd birthday in March.

His former teachers at Narrows High School spoke of him today in glowing terms, remembering him as a talented student, four-sport athlete, and valedictorian.

"He was an exceptional young man," said the school principal, Robert Stump. "Very quiet and humble, and very popular."

Mr. Stump said the small school of 330 students and the close-knit community of Narrows, which is 25 miles west of Blacksburg, was in shock over Mr. Lane's death.

"He was always one of the hardest workers," Mr. Stump said. "One time, after he'd had a good basketball game, he went up to the coach, and said, 'Coach, what do I have to work on so that we can be better. '"

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Here is a wonderful story of Gods Grace to share with your congregation. Please share it as you see fit. This is Mark Cox, (Gay's Son, and Wanda's Brother).

This story will get no press in the main stream media. It's a story a little too religious. It's a story that might be a little too politically incorrect in certain editor's boardrooms; nonetheless it's a story that must be heard. It must be told.

On Sunday morning on April the 15th 2007, Jarret Lane was attending services at the First Baptist Church of Narrows, Virginia. It might have been a Sunday service like any other Sunday morning service: Sunday School followed by opening comments followed by Praise and Worship, followed by the Sunday sermon, followed by an altar call, followed by the benediction and dismissal.

But on this particular Sunday, during the altar call Jarrett Lane responded to a stirring, to a still small voice in his heart telling him to go forward. He stepped out of his seat, walked down the aisle to the front of the small Church and prayed with the pastor to receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.

Jarret Lane had doubtless heard many times in his lifetime the admonition "this might be your last opportunity to accept Christ." It might have been easy to override the still small voice and leave for Sunday lunch, but instead he listened, No! He heard. He heeded. He obtained forgiveness. He experienced the Love and Grace of the Son of God. It was a glorious day for Jarrett.

Less than 24 hours later Jamet Lane was killed along with 31 other innocent victims by depraved and angry shooter Cho Seung-Hui on the campus of Virginia tech in Blacksburg, Virginia.


At my place of employment, the news of Jarrett's salvation came to me via E-mail. With tears in my eyes, I spread the news to several more friends who also wept with joy. Then I told some other friends from my Church in Pearisburg, Virginia. We all wept together! I watched very undemonstrative people become demonstrative and utter "PRAISE GOD!" as tears filled their eyes. There was something very special about this story, for you see this entire community has heard nothing but darkness, sadness, and news of despair and despondency. The repetitive scenes and endless discussions of death, injury, and insanity kept appearing on our television sets.


This blackness was followed by conversations, E-mails, phone calls and endless debates at work, home and play of the same darkness, which has so pervaded our community. This tiny pinprick of light, this story about Jarrett Lane has helped roll back the clouds, which have been hanging over us. It has brought us a ray of hope. Brought a smile to our faces. Replaced tears of sorrow and horror with those of joy and inspiration. May all of Christendom read this Story. May all Christians everywhere hear and rejoice. Grace, Grace, Sweet Grace!


Some one mile from the tiny town of Narrows, Virginia (where Jarrett was from), I along with about 100 other parents and friends had gathered at 9:00 P.M. on Wednesday, April 18 2007 to send our High School kids on a 5 day Symphonic Chorale trip to Orlando Florida. The Virginia Tech shootings were still fresh and raw in every mind. I was moved beyond words to watch the students, faculty, and parents slowly form one huge circle, hands enjoined, in the Parking lot for prayer. Later I noticed that parents were hugging their kids a little tighter, a little longer, a few more times. They said, "I love you" and looked their kids in the eyes. I think Jarrett smiled. The darkness is lifting from our community. My prayer is that Parents and their Children everywhere will come to know Christ so that in the event that they send their Loved ones out one day, and it turns out to be the last day, that they will have obtained that beautiful hope that says "We shall embrace again one day". Jarrett Lane's dear mother has that hope. She has that assurance.

Jarrett is home now. He's home. Thank God almighty He's home.

Please pray for our community.

Everything I write this letter is verifiable."

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Re: Virginia Tech Shooting (WARNING: EMOTIONAL CONTENT)
« Reply #105 on: April 29, 2007, 07:49:38 AM »






            Thank God and a big AMEN!!!!! (I said with a tingling in my body, from emotion) AMEN!!!!
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« Reply #106 on: May 03, 2007, 01:13:34 AM »
I just read an interesting pro-gun control article from an American online economic information site, and I was floored by this statement:

"Since the killing of John Kennedy in 1963, more Americans have died by American gunfire than perished on foreign battlefields in the whole of the 20th century." 

Isn't that incredible? To think that over only 44 years, US citizens have used guns against each other in such volume that the death rate has eclipsed the tragic loss of life from both "world wars", Korea, Vietnam, and every other war and police action that America has lost soldiers in, over a century!

I really can't help but wonder if that statistic would even exist if private gun ownership was restricted to those who actually need to own a gun, as opposed to those who just think they do? Here's a link to the full article:

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9040170 Cheers, Terry.  :'(
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Re: Virginia Tech Shooting (WARNING: EMOTIONAL CONTENT)
« Reply #107 on: May 03, 2007, 06:41:48 AM »
Helps keep our numbers down! For which I would think the rest of the world should be thankful! Anyways, the day that we can actually trust our governments to do the right thing FOR THE PEOPLE, is the day I will give up my gun.

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« Reply #108 on: May 03, 2007, 06:45:21 AM »
damn!!!,me and eldar finally agree on something.
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Re: Virginia Tech Shooting (WARNING: EMOTIONAL CONTENT)
« Reply #109 on: May 03, 2007, 07:10:09 AM »
No No, we have agreed before....I just cant remember about what! ;D

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« Reply #110 on: May 03, 2007, 07:20:59 AM »
uhhh,you could be right.
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« Reply #111 on: May 03, 2007, 12:32:43 PM »
and I agree with both of you, now that's scary ain't it.

But really, I didn't intend this thread to be a gun debate thread.
Terry just has so little self restraint he can't get away from it.
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Re: Virginia Tech Shooting (WARNING: EMOTIONAL CONTENT)
« Reply #112 on: May 03, 2007, 01:02:28 PM »
Sorry RM, but this whole thread was started (by you) as a gun debate...

"We were discussing it at lunch, suppose some of the students had been armed in the
Dorm? The shooter wouldn't have gotten to far! Of course, it was illegal for there to
be guns in the dorm."

I don't want to be seen as disrespectful to the VT victims or anyone here, so for once I'll keep my big mouth shut until someone starts another officially sanctioned gun thread...
That's like hypnotizing chickens...

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Re: Virginia Tech Shooting (WARNING: EMOTIONAL CONTENT)
« Reply #113 on: May 03, 2007, 03:30:20 PM »
My opinion does not make it a debate. First because, no matter how many points
the anti-gun side thinks they score, I'm not changing my opinion.

So go make your point in another thread.

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« Reply #114 on: May 03, 2007, 03:45:44 PM »
I just read an interesting pro-gun control article from an American online economic information site, and I was floored by this statement:

"Since the killing of John Kennedy in 1963, more Americans have died by American gunfire than perished on foreign battlefields in the whole of the 20th century." 

Isn't that incredible? To think that over only 44 years, US citizens have used guns against each other in such volume that the death rate has eclipsed the tragic loss of life from both "world wars", Korea, Vietnam, and every other war and police action that America has lost soldiers in, over a century!

I really can't help but wonder if that statistic would even exist if private gun ownership was restricted to those who actually need to own a gun, as opposed to those who just think they do? Here's a link to the full article:

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9040170 Cheers, Terry.  :'(


Yes that was a nice article. I do enjoy reading the Economist which is published in the UK not the U.S.. About 10 years ago US News and World Report summed up the situation. At that time there was at least one firearm in the U.S. for every person living in the Country. Almost all of them unregistered. Guns last a long time if cared for  and they can be passed down through generations. US New concluded Gun Control was futile given the Numbers.

 The death statistics are almost like the Red Car Stats, there are more Red Cars on the road, hence more Red cars will have an accident.
When they analyzed the the "Child death count" it turned out that they used  the American Pediatrics definition of a Child, which is 21 years of age. Hardly what we consider a child.

We can talk around the Constitution and States Rights and Individual Rights forever. You may have the right to own a gun, you do not have a unencumbered right to use one.

There is something in the American culture which makes gun ownership almost a priority, more people have them than will ever admit it. The local paper was nice enough to publish the names of all Pistol Permit holders. The names included many of our most Liberal and politically correct citzens. This comes down to it is not OK for the other guy to have a Gun, but I am a responsible person! 

Terry we are mates and I respect you, but who get to determine who should have them and who should not. Can I trust the yo yos who send boys to be killed on a whim, or some convoluted and misguided logic. No, I need to trust myself and I need to hope the Supreme Court will protect me from the Government. If you read the US Constitution as it was written, it was intended to protect people from the Government. 

We will never sort this out here, and considering the staggering amount of firepower in private hands, there is no solution. We need to enforce the laws we have and very harshly deal with offenders. 
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« Reply #115 on: May 03, 2007, 03:55:47 PM »
So go make your point in another thread.

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« Reply #116 on: May 03, 2007, 04:00:32 PM »
Exactly Bobby!  We don't need more laws nor to make more activities illegal.  Just enforce the laws that are on the books now!
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« Reply #117 on: May 03, 2007, 04:06:53 PM »
"When they analyzed the the "Child death count" it turned out that they used  the American Pediatrics definition of a Child, which is 21 years of age. Hardly what we consider a child."

I still pay "Child support for a 22 year old!!!!!!!!!"

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« Reply #118 on: May 03, 2007, 04:20:02 PM »
Yeah, 22 year old child support is a travesty too.  In NJ (and probably other states) it is mandated that divorced parents pay for college as they are able to afford it.  What I don't understand is that the child support continues to be paid to the "residential parent" (98% of the time this is the mother) even if the child is a full time student living on campus, and the "non-residential parent" (98% of the time this is the father) is the sole provider of tuition/room & board payments.

The 98% statistic comes from reputable sources quoted in a book called the "Father's Emergency Guide to the Divorce/Custody Battle" or something like that.  I did not make that number up.  I don't have it sitting in front of me, but the title is similar.

Back on the topic, I also cannot believe that I agree with Eldar.  Furthermore, I agree with the comments (and have pointed it out earlier in this thread) that our Constitution, as it was written, provided us Americans that right explicitly for the purpose of defending ourselves against oppressive governments.

In addition, I'd love to point out that there is an inordinate interest in American politics on this board by Non-Americans, Australians in particular.  I'm curious about why?  What do Australians care about how and why American laws are the way they are?
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« Reply #119 on: May 03, 2007, 04:27:01 PM »
In addition, I'd love to point out that there is an inordinate interest in American politics on this board by Non-Americans, Australians in particular.  I'm curious about why?  What do Australians care about how and why American laws are the way they are?

There's a large amount of interest in American politics around the world, not just on this forum.  My guess is that is has something to do not only with America being the world's biggest superpower (for the time-being at least), but also our tendency to force our ideas and ways of doing things on the rest of the world. 

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« Reply #120 on: May 03, 2007, 04:32:16 PM »
In addition, I'd love to point out that there is an inordinate interest in American politics on this board by Non-Americans, Australians in particular.  I'm curious about why?  What do Australians care about how and why American laws are the way they are?

There's a large amount of interest in American politics around the world, not just on this forum.  My guess is that is has something to do not only with America being the world's biggest superpower (for the time-being at least), but also our tendency to force our ideas and ways of doing things on the rest of the world. 

We have yet to try to make criminals out of otherwise innocent gun owners in any country but our own.
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« Reply #121 on: May 03, 2007, 04:37:54 PM »
Give it time...

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« Reply #122 on: May 03, 2007, 04:40:22 PM »
Give it time...

I guess I'll wait for things like that to happen before I indict a nation.
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« Reply #123 on: May 03, 2007, 04:46:44 PM »
So go make your point in another thread.

Just because you start a thread doesn't mean you own it.   

NO I Don't own it Gordon, it seemed that the consensus was that this thread would not be
a gun debate thread. I like to see that thought consistent.

If not y'all have at it, good riddance.

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« Reply #124 on: May 03, 2007, 04:48:04 PM »
I guess I'll wait for things like that to happen before I indict a nation.

So you would need that one specific action to happen before you would believe that the U.S. has a tendency to force it's way of doing things on other nations?  Nevermind all the other events that already show it to be true?