Author Topic: bottom Air (Read 7917 times)

ieism · « **on:** April 20, 2007, 10:17:02 AM »

Hi,

I just took my 550 out of the garage, and notice that the most of the bottom air from the reartire is missing. It looks like the top air is still there, so it seems like a waste to replace all the air. Is there still OEM bottom air available from Honda, and where can I find some. And is there a difference between frontire air and reartire air?

dusterdude · « **Reply #1 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:26:00 AM »

honda sold their bottom air to harley-davidson a few years ago,you have to go to a harley dealer to get it.i hear its kind of expensive too.good luck.

Rsnip988 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:36:33 AM »

you can buy OEM honda Bottom air on Ebay for around $239

but if its the sandcast bottom air it'll be $894

ieism · « **Reply #3 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:53:22 AM »

Yeah, but I don't really trust E-bay. how do I know they're not just selling me top air for the price of bottom air? Obviously the OEM bottom air is more rare than the top, but $239 seems like a ridiculous price to me.

The Harley dealer told me he could sell me the air for $78, but i need an adapter to install it. Just the adapter is $173.

dusterdude · « **Reply #4 on:** April 20, 2007, 11:15:10 AM »

sounds like you are in a bit of a pickle.

DammitDan · « **Reply #5 on:** April 20, 2007, 02:37:13 PM »

Quote from: dusterdude on April 20, 2007, 11:15:10 AM

sounds like you are in a bit of a pickle.

What model/year is the pickle?

Steve F · « **Reply #6 on:** April 20, 2007, 07:03:56 PM »

I wouldn't bother with the old top or bottom air since you need to replace it with summer air now anyway.

mrbreeze · « **Reply #7 on:** April 20, 2007, 09:47:58 PM »

Quote from: ieism on April 20, 2007, 10:17:02 AM

Hi,

I just took my 550 out of the garage, and notice that the most of the bottom air from the reartire is missing. It looks like the top air is still there, so it seems like a waste to replace all the air. Is there still OEM bottom air available from Honda, and where can I find some. And is there a difference between frontire air and reartire air?

Last time I checked....the Honda stealership had quite a bit of bottom air on a shelf right next to the 5 gallon buckets of Ohms.I asked if I could just buy a quart but they said no.So.....I spent most of my cash on enough Ohms to last quite awhile. That left me a little short to get enough blinker sauce!! Maybe next payday.......God I hope....those suckers sure are blinkin slow!!!!

Rsnip988 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:20:55 PM »

Quote from: ieism on April 20, 2007, 10:53:22 AM

Yeah, but I don't really trust E-bay. how do I know they're not just selling me top air for the price of bottom air? Obviously the OEM bottom air is more rare than the top, but $239 seems like a ridiculous price to me.

The Harley dealer told me he could sell me the air for $78, but i need an adapter to install it. Just the adapter is $173.

maybe Tery in Oz can fabricate you an adapter for $20

he seems pretty good at making other things

ieism · « **Reply #9 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:59:08 AM »

Well I think I've solved it!!! I must be a genius for coming up with such a cheap and elegant solution. I took two tirepumps apart and connected the two hoses together. I used a bit of pipe, and some hoseclamps.
I then made sure the valve stems of my frontwheel and backwheel where exactly at it's lowest point. I then connected the hose to the frontwheel's valve, and let some air from it into the rear. I've now effectively doubled the amount of bottom air in my reartire, and it only cost me $2!!

I'll testride it later this weekend and see how it works out.

nickjtc · « **Reply #10 on:** April 22, 2007, 08:30:49 AM »

The real problem is that you never know if you are getting OEM bottom air for the prices they charge. It's not uncommon for a dealer to use cheap imported product from you-know-where and then put official looking labels on it.

The stuff from HD is expensive because it is processed at a higher temperature. They are renowned for the hot air they produce.

nickjtc · « **Reply #11 on:** April 22, 2007, 08:31:33 AM »

Quote from: DammitDan on April 20, 2007, 02:37:13 PM

Quote from: dusterdude on April 20, 2007, 11:15:10 AM
sounds like you are in a bit of a pickle.
What model/year is the pickle?

2005 Vlasik, with garlic.

upperlake04 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 22, 2007, 09:06:20 AM »

If the hose idea doesn't work you could do a swap with someone from New Zealand or Oz. Be sure to get their top air though.

ieism · « **Reply #13 on:** April 22, 2007, 09:21:16 AM »

Well, I testdrove it around the block. I have to be honest, it's not great. It seems to bottom out over mediumsized bumps. I'm hesitant to take it on the freeway in this condition.

I think it needs more bottom air still...

Quote from: upperlake04 on April 22, 2007, 09:06:20 AM

If the hose idea doesn't work you could do a swap with someone from New Zealand or Oz. Be sure to get their top air though.

That's not a bad idea really. Yo Terry (or anyone else in OZ) lets set this up propely so everybody on the forum can have enough air!

Rsnip988 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 22, 2007, 06:18:06 PM »

dont forget that sometimes you can find origional bottom air in bike salvage yards

Rushoid · « **Reply #15 on:** April 23, 2007, 07:08:39 AM »

Quote from: mrbreeze on April 20, 2007, 09:47:58 PM

Last time I checked....the Honda stealership had quite a bit of bottom air on a shelf right next to the 5 gallon buckets of Ohms.I asked if I could just buy a quart but they said no.So.....I spent most of my cash on enough Ohms to last quite awhile. That left me a little short to get enough blinker sauce!! Maybe next payday.......God I hope....those suckers sure are blinkin slow!!!!

Senor Breeze,
I have a little extra blinker sauce/brake light fluid and a spare mud clutch. I can always use some Ohms because I have a leak that I just can't locate. Care to make a trade?

mrbreeze · « **Reply #16 on:** April 23, 2007, 07:56:22 PM »

Quote from: Rushoid on April 23, 2007, 07:08:39 AM

Quote from: mrbreeze on April 20, 2007, 09:47:58 PM
Last time I checked....the Honda stealership had quite a bit of bottom air on a shelf right next to the 5 gallon buckets of Ohms.I asked if I could just buy a quart but they said no.So.....I spent most of my cash on enough Ohms to last quite awhile. That left me a little short to get enough blinker sauce!! Maybe next payday.......God I hope....those suckers sure are blinkin slow!!!!
Senor Breeze,
I have a little extra blinker sauce/brake light fluid and a spare mud clutch. I can always use some Ohms because I have a leak that I just can't locate. Care to make a trade?

Oh yeah.....I'm in!!!!! I'll take all the blinker sauce ya got for 2 qts. of Ohms.I'm also in the market for a left side cover adjuster but it has to be metric!!! Let me know!!!!

Flood · « **Reply #17 on:** April 24, 2007, 02:45:03 AM »

OK, there's an Old Timer trick to all this: what you need is not really AIR, but COMPRESSION. Not many people know that Honda uses the same compression in its engines as well as in the wheels.
Only the part numbers are different! So go to your local dealer and get a can of compression, they are right by the ohms and the sparks.

nickjtc · « **Reply #18 on:** April 24, 2007, 06:32:20 AM »

Quote from: mrbreeze on April 23, 2007, 07:56:22 PM

Senor Breeze,
I have a little extra blinker sauce/brake light fluid and a spare mud clutch. I can always use some Ohms because I have a leak that I just can't locate. Care to make a trade?

Quote

Oh yeah.....I'm in!!!!! I'll take all the blinker sauce ya got for 2 qts. of Ohms.I'm also in the market for a left side cover adjuster but it has to be metric!!! Let me know!!!!

Quote

Count me in too! I've been buying up '60s muffler bearings like crazy from eBay before the market explodes, so I'd consider a trade too.

Is that mineral based Ohms or synthethic, incidentally?

Rushoid · « **Reply #19 on:** April 24, 2007, 08:34:48 AM »

Quote from: nickjtc on April 24, 2007, 06:32:20 AM

Quote from: mrbreeze on April 23, 2007, 07:56:22 PM
Senor Breeze,
I have a little extra blinker sauce/brake light fluid and a spare mud clutch. I can always use some Ohms because I have a leak that I just can't locate. Care to make a trade?
Quote
Oh yeah.....I'm in!!!!! I'll take all the blinker sauce ya got for 2 qts. of Ohms.I'm also in the market for a left side cover adjuster but it has to be metric!!! Let me know!!!!
Quote

Count me in too! I've been buying up '60s muffler bearings like crazy from eBay before the market explodes, so I'd consider a trade too.

Is that mineral based Ohms or synthethic, incidentally?

Oooh! Are they chrome-plated muffler bearings? I need a full set for my bike and I'd be interested if you're offering.

Breeze, I only have the right-side adjuster. I broke mine when I dropped my water transformer on my board stretcher. Geez, what a mess. I'm sure you can imagine. Bumper grease everywhere.

clarkjh · « **Reply #20 on:** April 24, 2007, 08:47:47 AM »

I've always had good luck using "Political ideas" instead of bottom air, other then it likes to migrate to top air, and sometimes left and right air.

James

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #21 on:** April 24, 2007, 03:41:53 PM »

You Americans are a right sad lot,...ya don't know jack sh1t.

The cheapest air, be it top or bottom is available right on your doorstep.

Contact Big Jay at APE in Willow Springs,...he imports air from China and modifies it for drag racing.

You can buy it loose or in paper bags a lot cheaper than in pressureised canisters.

You can contact Jay at www.aperaceparts.com or PM him on this forum for a price,...you'll not be dissapointed.

It's sad when you have to turn to an English man to sort your silly little problems out.

Sam.

mrbreeze · « **Reply #22 on:** April 24, 2007, 08:06:26 PM »

Thanks for the tip Sam!!! I never see what I need in the catalog......Oh and Rushoid......I'd be interested in that right side adjuster cause I can invert it and it will be fine. Better than tryin to reprogram a Suzuki unit that will never be at the right frequency!!! Also needed.....anyone??...... A pair of left handed sky hooks so I can rotate my spoke converters. I would be soooooooo grateful!!!!

sparty · « **Reply #23 on:** April 25, 2007, 06:18:59 AM »

When my bottom air went bad I replace it with nitrogen. It is a great upgrade. I had to make a few minor adjustments to the frame and handlebars, because the nitrogen is not OEM.

Sparty

medic09 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 25, 2007, 01:29:20 PM »

Quote from: sparty on April 25, 2007, 06:18:59 AM

When my bottom air went bad I replace it with nitrogen. It is a great upgrade. I had to make a few minor adjustments to the frame and handlebars, because the nitrogen is not OEM.

Sparty

I'd be careful with that. Nitrogen is a lighter gas than complete air, and moves faster. You may need higher pressures to fill and keep it from shifting in the spaces. Either that, or install baffles. Otherwise, on bumps it may shift round and become top air, or it may slosh in tight turns, especially esses.

Where's TT or one of those guys when we need them?

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Author Topic: bottom Air (Read 7917 times)

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