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Offline mazingerzeca

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should I paint inmediately after media blasting?
« on: April 29, 2007, 05:01:52 AM »
Hello all.
I left the crankcases on the machine shop to media blast to remove the old paint before applying VHT High Temp alluminum paint. The guy on the shop told me that I have to apply the paint inmediately after blasting, because the alluminum oxydizes very fastly (which I think is true). The fact is that I would like to sand some parts of the crankcases before painting, some light scratches and so on. What would happen if I don't paint it inmediately? Is there any other prep that I have to do before painting, some chemical product to allow the painting to adhere to the crankcases?
Thank you very much.

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Re: should I paint inmediately after media blasting?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2007, 06:36:26 AM »
Heck yes!

I took a grinder and grinded parts of my bike frame (not aluminum) to a nice silver (too lazy to sand & I didn't have a palm sander anyhow).  I left it outside but just made sure I covered it when it didn't rain.  I  saw rust on there like two days later.  Man at least put something on there (WD-40?) and be sure to take it off later.



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Re: should I paint inmediately after media blasting?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2007, 06:38:46 AM »
I didn't paint mine until after it was assembled.  probably 2 to 3 weeks after media blasting.  That was about 8 or 9 months ago, and they are fine so far.
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Re: should I paint inmediately after media blasting?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2007, 06:56:03 AM »
Steel - that will rust right away, paint or prime it ASAP.

Aluminum - you get a layer of oxide on the aluminum *immediately* after blasting, grinding, etc - there's no way to avoid this other than blast the cases in a total vacuum.  Wont matter how long it sits before paint.

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Re: should I paint inmediately after media blasting?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2007, 10:49:49 AM »
Pure aluminum is very soft and will form it's own protective and sealed oxidation layer upon exposure to oxygen.

Since pure aluminum is so soft, most, if not all, of the aluminum found on our bike is an alloy with other metals blended into it.  Such alloys do NOT form a sealed aluminum oxide layer on exposure to oxygen.  Further, our atmosphere is NOT comprised of pure oxygen.  There's also nitrogen, other gasses, as well as soot, pollen, and dust particles of just about everything imaginable, and some you can't.  Many of the impurities in the atmophere will cause not only aluminum oxide but the beginnings of other corrosion, many of which do not seal the surface from further attacks.

Most paints intended for use on aluminum have an etchant chemical mixed in with it to remove, dissolve, convert, or otherwise neutralize small amounts of surface corrosion/oxidation on aluminum based metals.  If your paint does not have the etchants in it, then it is recommended to first treat the surface with an etchant (look for Alumiprep).

Much of the success with paint is directly attributed to the preparation of the surface to which it is applied.  There are certainly some random conditions where paint can properly adhere and seal properly.  They key to predicted success is the control the surface prep for the paint that is to be applied.

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Re: should I paint inmediately after media blasting?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2007, 02:18:38 PM »

Most paints intended for use on aluminum have an etchant chemical mixed in with it to remove, dissolve, convert, or otherwise neutralize small amounts of surface corrosion/oxidation on aluminum based metals.  If your paint does not have the etchants in it, then it is recommended to first treat the surface with an etchant (look for Alumiprep).

Much of the success with paint is directly attributed to the preparation of the surface to which it is applied.  There are certainly some random conditions where paint can properly adhere and seal properly.  They key to predicted success is the control the surface prep for the paint that is to be applied.

Again, thanks for your help.
I did a search on marine shops for Alumiprep 33, but I could not find it. I think it will be difficult to find. I have to check if VHT Universal Aluminium has an etchant mixed on the paint. If not, I hope the VHT paint primer has it, and if not, which High Temperature paint primer does content an etchant, or what can be used instead of Alumiprep 33?

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Re: should I paint inmediately after media blasting?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2007, 03:59:00 PM »
You could have it shipped to you from here:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/alumiprep.php

Alternately, you could go to the local General Aviation airport.  A repair hanger mechanic should be able to either sell you some or know where to get it locally.

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Re: should I paint inmediately after media blasting?
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2007, 05:30:36 PM »
welding supply stores often have alumiprep as well.
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