Topic: How to teach your kids to be communist wankers

[mlinder]

Just... wtf....?
http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/21_02/lego212.shtml

[DammitDan]

Yeah, uh...

What? 

[mlinder]

Yeah, uh...

What? 

Huh??

[DammitDan]

I dunno.

I couldn't finish reading that article.  It made me want to... BLEH! 

[mlinder]

Read it. Or do you want a summation?

[DammitDan]

I read about half of it and skimmed the rest.

Sounds like a cross between a childhood development masters thesis and a "Kids say the darnedest things" episode.

[CrisPDuk]

Sometimes I really do believe that teachers are the last people we should entrust with a child's development

[mlinder]

Sometimes I really do believe that teachers are the last people we should entrust with a child's development

Seriously. Teachers for teaching, parents and family for moral structure and personal development.
Unfortunately, Most families have already screwed up the parents of these kids, so they don't have the ability to teach moral structure or personal development to their kids.

[edbikerii]

I just read the whole article, and wow, what a bunch of sneaky subversive teachers.  I suspect that they even destroyed the LegoTown in the first place, just so that they could go into this whole lesson in communism.  They spent several months and had numerous meetings on the subject of how to undermine any rational understanding of property ownership in those kids.

Can you imagine the rules they arrived at in the final cut working in any real world, let alone a group of children who are supposed to be learning to expand their capabilities, and seek greater goals for themselves?  Maybe they should make rules about how much welfare each kid will get every month because they dropped out of the ridiculous system because they could never get ahead no matter how hard they worked or smart they were.

* All structures are public structures.  Everyone can use all the Lego structures.  But only the builder or people who have his or her permission are allowed to change a structure.

* Lego people can be saved only by a "team" of kids, not by individuals.

* All structures will be standard sizes.

I am happy to have been forewarned about what to avoid when interviewing my children's teachers in the future.

[mlinder]

I just read the whole article, and wow, what a bunch of sneaky subversive teachers.  I suspect that they even destroyed the LegoTown in the first place, just so that they could go into this whole lesson in communism.  They spent several months and had numerous meetings on the subject of how to undermine any rational understanding of property ownership in those kids.

Can you imagine the rules they arrived at in the final cut working in any real world, let alone a group of children who are supposed to be learning to expand their capabilities, and seek greater goals for themselves?  Maybe they should make rules about how much welfare each kid will get every month because they dropped out of the ridiculous system because they could never get ahead no matter how hard they worked or smart they were.

* All structures are public structures.  Everyone can use all the Lego structures.  But only the builder or people who have his or her permission are allowed to change a structure.

* Lego people can be saved only by a "team" of kids, not by individuals.

* All structures will be standard sizes.

I am happy to have been forewarned about what to avoid when interviewing my children's teachers in the future.

Might want to print that article out, give them to prospective teachers, and tell them if they pull ANYTHING like that, you'll sue 'em.

Way to teach kids in their formative years that "You should not benefit from natural or learned talents. Your talents will be used for the betterment of your lazy or stupid peers."

[eldar]

I think that was pretty neat.  I dont see where you are all getting this communism garbage from. Yes they ended up doing it collectively BUT there were other facets that were added that are not part of communism. Maybe you all need to re-read the last parts of the article.

    *   Collectivity is a good thing:

    "You get to build and you have a lot of fun and people get to build onto your structure with you, and it doesn't have to be the same way as when you left it.... A house is good because it is a community house."

    * Personal expression matters:

    "It's important that the little Lego plastic person has some identity. Lego houses might be all the same except for the people. A kid should have their own Lego character to live in the house so it makes the house different."

    * Shared power is a valued goal:

    "It's important to have the same amount of power as other people over your building. And it's important to have the same priorities."

    "Before, it was the older kids who had the power because they used Legos most. Little kids have more rights now than they used to and older kids have half the rights."

    * Moderation and equal access to resources are things to strive for:

    "We should have equal houses. They should be standard sizes.... We should all just have the same number of pieces, like 15 or 28 pieces."


You all can talk about communism any way you want but the "democracy" here in the US is based on capitolism and that method by far separates the haves and have-nots much more and is doomed to failure. Just look around you, we are losing everything to big corporations which politicians have their hands in.  Communism failed in the USSR cause of the way the did it. Not because communism is bad.  Canada is Socialist and while they have high taxes, their economy and social structure appears to be much more stabil than ours is.

Maybe instead of immediately jumping on the "communism is bad" bandwagon, use your brains and think which at this time is still legal.

[mlinder]

I think that was pretty neat.  I dont see where you are all getting this communism garbage from. Yes they ended up doing it collectively BUT there were other facets that were added that are not part of communism. Maybe you all need to re-read the last parts of the article.

    *   Collectivity is a good thing:

    "You get to build and you have a lot of fun and people get to build onto your structure with you, and it doesn't have to be the same way as when you left it.... A house is good because it is a community house."

    * Personal expression matters:

    "It's important that the little Lego plastic person has some identity. Lego houses might be all the same except for the people. A kid should have their own Lego character to live in the house so it makes the house different."

    * Shared power is a valued goal:

    "It's important to have the same amount of power as other people over your building. And it's important to have the same priorities."

    "Before, it was the older kids who had the power because they used Legos most. Little kids have more rights now than they used to and older kids have half the rights."

    * Moderation and equal access to resources are things to strive for:

    "We should have equal houses. They should be standard sizes.... We should all just have the same number of pieces, like 15 or 28 pieces."


You all can talk about communism any way you want but the "democracy" here in the US is based on capitolism and that method by far separates the haves and have-nots much more and is doomed to failure. Just look around you, we are losing everything to big corporations which politicians have their hands in.  Communism failed in the USSR cause of the way the did it. Not because communism is bad.  Canada is Socialist and while they have high taxes, their economy and social structure appears to be much more stabil than ours is.

Maybe instead of immediately jumping on the "communism is bad" bandwagon, use your brains and think which at this time is still legal.

No offense, my friend, but i DID use my brain.
Whey the hell should someone have equal rights to my house? If my natural and learned talents make a better life for me, I deserve them.
If, no matter how hard I work, or how valuable my talents are, I have to share equally with dumbasses or lazy #$%*s, what is the reason I should work harder or use my talents?
What is the point of working harder if I see no personal benefits? Why waste my talents if it doesn't get me ahead?
Life is not a zero sum game.
If I make my house with my hands, with money that I worked for, should I be obliged to let others stay there or change the way my house is set up?
Do lazy #$%*ers deserve my hard earned money?
The majority of slackers would live off my hard work if this were the case. It's already happening to some degree. What are the rewards for hard work and innovation if I am not personally rewarded for these things, and where does my motivation come from to strive to be better?
Do you think that lazy SOB's will be motivated to work harder if they can have the same things I do even if they slack off or do not possess or are unwilling to learn skills and talents?

My brain works fine, thanks.

[upperlake04]

 

Canada is Socialist
/quote]

Bullsh!t  Eldar    That is not true.    Socialism - "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." 

[eldar]

Your brain works fine for a child buddy. These were conclusion made by CHILDREN and NOT adults. No where did I say we should switch to communism but there are parts of it that are very good ideas and are much better than what is in place now. Equal access to resources IS a good thing.  Having equal power is a good thing. Our own govt is set up that way. If you remember, there are THREE branches of govt and they are all supposed to be equal so they can balance out each other. Clearly that is not happening at this time because there is no shared power and there is no democracy taking place. What we have right now is teetering on the edge of dictatorship. If you like that, fine but your whole idea of freedom and democracy is gone. You would see this if you chose to instead of be so blind.

You DO have a right to your own home, or so you think. In Russia, the govt could go into your home if they wanted to. The same thing is now possible in the US they just use the excuse that you are a terrorist suspect, even if you are not.  With the military commisions act, the pres can declare martial law very easily, at a whim really and does not have to tell congress when he does so. You can be taken away and held indefinately  in prison without actually being formally charged. They dont even HAVE to tell you why you are being arrested and you DO NOT have the right to trial of your peers. All this under the guise of fighting terrorism.

Now I dont know about you, but that does not sound like a democracy.

[eldar]

Well sorry then. You want to be an #$%* about then be my guest. I got this out of text books from when I was in school. maybe that has changed but at the time, which was in the 90's, that was how the structure of canada was written. So then clearly from your crap-ass remake, your country is no more stable or maybe you aren't?

[mlinder]

Your brain works fine for a child buddy. These were conclusion made by CHILDREN and NOT adults. No where did I say we should switch to communism but there are parts of it that are very good ideas and are much better than what is in place now. Equal access to resources IS a good thing.  Having equal power is a good thing. Our own govt is set up that way. If you remember, there are THREE branches of govt and they are all supposed to be equal so they can balance out each other. Clearly that is not happening at this time because there is no shared power and there is no democracy taking place. What we have right now is teetering on the edge of dictatorship. If you like that, fine but your whole idea of freedom and democracy is gone. You would see this if you chose to instead of be so blind.

You DO have a right to your own home, or so you think. In Russia, the govt could go into your home if they wanted to. The same thing is now possible in the US they just use the excuse that you are a terrorist suspect, even if you are not.  With the military commisions act, the pres can declare martial law very easily, at a whim really and does not have to tell congress when he does so. You can be taken away and held indefinately  in prison without actually being formally charged. They dont even HAVE to tell you why you are being arrested and you DO NOT have the right to trial of your peers. All this under the guise of fighting terrorism.

Now I dont know about you, but that does not sound like a democracy.

I was considering not even replying to this, but I will, and I'll keep it short.

First, these were not the conclusions the children came to on their own. They were completely steered by the teachers.

Second, you are talking about our currently completely #$%*ed up government.
I'm talking about our personal right to self betterment without millions of slackers and dumbasses leaching off of us.
Equal power in a civilian setting is nonsense. If I own my company, no way in hell do my employees have equal rights, or equal access to the resources that I have built up.

Thinking otherwise is childish on your part, not mine. No one deserves what I #$%*ing work for, unless I feel they do.

[eldar]

Sorry to piss in your wheaties people but I see plenty wrong with this country. I try to do what I think is right and fair, not jsut to me but to who I deal with. I cannot change the country alone and if you people actually valued the freedoms you all claim, then why dont the rest of you fight for the changes that are needed instead of just #$%*ing about some article written by some teachers who tried an experiment instead of blinding following a lesson plan.  The fact is that unless the general public fights for democracy, it will always fail since those in power only care about holding on to their power.

there are certain groups out there that wish to see the population of the world dropped to 500 million people, these same groups have people in pretty much ALL "democratic" govts.  How much do you want to bet that none of us or our CHILDREN would be part of this 500 million.  If we do not fight for our freedoms against a clearly corrupt govt, something like this may happen.

I appreciate that you are all so fervent about a topic such as this, however this forum will not solve anything. We need to take all the good parts of different systems and put them into one, THAT would probably be a democracy that would actually work.

[edbikerii]

Eldar, you need to go back and review the Constitution.  Maybe you never really appreciated just how beautiful it really is.

If you'd like to contemplate how much thought went into it by people much smarter than you and I, then read the Federalist Papers too.

[eldar]

Yeah well until you work for the greater good, our civilization will never advance to its full potention. If everyone worked for the greater good, there is every possibility that homelessness and starvation could be brought down or even eliminated.  As for how they were steered, I fail to see where you com to that conclusion. I do not see how they could have been steered if they were allowed to make their OWN rules.

[eldar]

Oh I love the constitution. OR did until it was mangled to something that means almost nothing anymore. all because of special interest groups.  Fact is that at the rate we are going, the US will not exist in another 100 years. You dont like that? Then do something about it. Take an active part in your local politics and make your voice heard to your elected officials. If you do not, then you will lose everything, or you children wil. #$%*ing at me cause I have a different view than you do is not going to make what I say any less true.

[upperlake04]

You want to be an #$%* about then be my guest. I got this out of text books from when I was in school. maybe that has changed but at the time, which was in the 90's, that was how the structure of canada was written. So then clearly from your crap-ass remake, your country is no more stable or maybe you aren't?

 Eldar -   A little  cranky today?    Canada is not now and never was a socialist country, regardless of what your school textbooks told you.  Maybe your definition differs than the dictionaries. Not clear how pointing that out makes me an unstable #$%*

[mlinder]

There's nothing wrong with our constitution.

There are just a bunch of #$%*ed up people interpreting it to their benefit.

Again, You work harder and do better work, you deserve the fruits of those labors. Not some jackass on welfare that wont work because he gets enough money by NOT working to be lazy.
(not to say that all people on welfare are lazy jackasses, Welfare is abused by the greedy, lazy and dumb quite a bit, though.)

[eldar]

Clearly you are all completely satisfied with the erosion of your rights and are happy it is happening. So I will not bother with you people anymore since you refuse to accept anything other than what you want to fool yourselves into thinking.

[mlinder]

Yeah well until you work for the greater good, our civilization will never advance to its full potention. If everyone worked for the greater good, there is every possibility that homelessness and starvation could be brought down or even eliminated.  As for how they were steered, I fail to see where you com to that conclusion. I do not see how they could have been steered if they were allowed to make their OWN rules.

ALMOST NO ONE will work for the greater good. That's my point. Lazy greedy bastards will sit back and let YOU work for the greater good, and reap the benefits of YOUR hard work.
Voltaire was wrong, man. People are not intrinsically good. People are intrinsically lazy sods. They will be happy to let you feed, clothe and house them, if they can.

Also, (sic)"We are taking your legos away until you learn how to 'share'."
That's a pretty goddamned big steering wheel.

[jabbadeznuts]

Communism - where everybody is equal. And some are more equal than others.















F*&king morons.