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« Reply #125 on: May 30, 2007, 05:10:38 PM »
This is all RMs fault  :)

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« Reply #126 on: May 30, 2007, 05:42:30 PM »
Denial.

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« Reply #127 on: May 31, 2007, 12:30:21 AM »

But, that would be a cheap shot, and offend Australians who have far more sense than a certain raving loud mouth pitiable aussie who has sustained far too many head injuries in practice combat.)

It is my sincere wish that when the violent, belligerent, bully, Terry of Australia advances toward me with a 2x4 and fists clenched, grimacing, gritting teeth, and hate in his eyes, he will have a change of plan when confronted with my 1911. If his subsequent steps are in the opposite direction, he won’t have to see the muzzle. Otherwise, little tiny pipsqueak me will have to end his elitist reign of violence and propaganda intent on ensuring his air of superiority.

How can a man so great in stature be so small of mind?

Cheers mate! ;D

P.S.S.T. This last final bit will be our little secret, okay? Terry need never know. (snicker)


Man, it's raining outside so I thought (just for once) I'd read one of TT's posts from start to finish, and boy, have I learned a lot! TT, you are a certifiable mental case mate! See, this really validates my point, people with obvious mental illness like yourself and poor silly Ed, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near  a gun!

Geez, but if you just want me to fly to America so you can point your big gun at me with the express purpose of frightening me away, thus (in your poor suffering mind) somehow winning this argument, then why not? What a brilliant idea, send me a return air ticket mate and I'll come over right away!

Ha ha, we can go through the whole pantomine, you know, I can almost imagine you quivering with glee behind that big ol' 1911 drawing a sight picture on a point just above the bridge of my nose while you recite that famous line, "C'Mon Terry, you big Aussie loudmouth bully, take a swing at me with that 2 x 4, and make my day!"  I don't know if I could pull off "fists clenched, grimacing, gritting teeth, and hate in his eyes" bit though Lloyd, I'm not much of an actor so I'd probably start laughing and have to start again, but I'd do my best, no worries!

Anyway, once I've regained my composure again, I could beg you for your forgiveness, tell you how wrong I was, (or how right you are, but we can workshop that between now and then) then I'll scream like a little girl, and turn tail and run, with you firing a couple of shots in my general direction, while Ed films the whole show for one of the many "Gun Nut" websites that you guys subscribe to, and maybe you could even get some stills published in the NRA magazine? (would we be drinking while this was going on, I really wanna try some of that fancy "liquor" that Noel is so proud of being able to hold better than us Aussies?)

Geez, it wouldn't take long to recoup the airfare money Lloyd, the "I scared Terry so bad he pooped his pants" T shirt sales alone would cover it in no time, and it'd be just what you definately need, really good therapy!

Think about it mate, I can spare a week in July, so maybe we can organise something around Independance Day? (it's not like you'll be spending the holiday with friends, as you don't have that many) Anyway, put your money where your mouth is mate, and I'll promise you that at least one of us is gonna have some fun! Cheers, Terry. (Big Bully)  ;D   
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #128 on: May 31, 2007, 04:57:25 AM »
Thanks Terry for that excellent rebuttal ;-).

It really is like an Aussie soap opera in this thread ("Neighbours" has nothing on you guys). 

thanks for the laughs,
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #129 on: May 31, 2007, 04:59:35 AM »
Projection.


But, that would be a cheap shot, and offend Australians who have far more sense than a certain raving loud mouth pitiable aussie who has sustained far too many head injuries in practice combat.)

It is my sincere wish that when the violent, belligerent, bully, Terry of Australia advances toward me with a 2x4 and fists clenched, grimacing, gritting teeth, and hate in his eyes, he will have a change of plan when confronted with my 1911. If his subsequent steps are in the opposite direction, he won’t have to see the muzzle. Otherwise, little tiny pipsqueak me will have to end his elitist reign of violence and propaganda intent on ensuring his air of superiority.

How can a man so great in stature be so small of mind?

Cheers mate! ;D

P.S.S.T. This last final bit will be our little secret, okay? Terry need never know. (snicker)


Man, it's raining outside so I thought (just for once) I'd read one of TT's posts from start to finish, and boy, have I learned a lot! TT, you are a certifiable mental case mate! See, this really validates my point, people with obvious mental illness like yourself and poor silly Ed, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near  a gun!

Geez, but if you just want me to fly to America so you can point your big gun at me with the express purpose of frightening me away, thus (in your poor suffering mind) somehow winning this argument, then why not? What a brilliant idea, send me a return air ticket mate and I'll come over right away!

Ha ha, we can go through the whole pantomine, you know, I can almost imagine you quivering with glee behind that big ol' 1911 drawing a sight picture on a point just above the bridge of my nose while you recite that famous line, "C'Mon Terry, you big Aussie loudmouth bully, take a swing at me with that 2 x 4, and make my day!"  I don't know if I could pull off "fists clenched, grimacing, gritting teeth, and hate in his eyes" bit though Lloyd, I'm not much of an actor so I'd probably start laughing and have to start again, but I'd do my best, no worries!

Anyway, once I've regained my composure again, I could beg you for your forgiveness, tell you how wrong I was, (or how right you are, but we can workshop that between now and then) then I'll scream like a little girl, and turn tail and run, with you firing a couple of shots in my general direction, while Ed films the whole show for one of the many "Gun Nut" websites that you guys subscribe to, and maybe you could even get some stills published in the NRA magazine? (would we be drinking while this was going on, I really wanna try some of that fancy "liquor" that Noel is so proud of being able to hold better than us Aussies?)

Geez, it wouldn't take long to recoup the airfare money Lloyd, the "I scared Terry so bad he pooped his pants" T shirt sales alone would cover it in no time, and it'd be just what you definately need, really good therapy!

Think about it mate, I can spare a week in July, so maybe we can organise something around Independance Day? (it's not like you'll be spending the holiday with friends, as you don't have that many) Anyway, put your money where your mouth is mate, and I'll promise you that at least one of us is gonna have some fun! Cheers, Terry. (Big Bully)  ;D   
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #130 on: May 31, 2007, 06:28:05 AM »
This is turning out as bad as an episode of some soap opera!

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #131 on: May 31, 2007, 07:38:33 AM »
My wife watches soap operas.  I have seen soap operas.  And you sir(s) are No soap operas!

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P.S.  Unless one of you wants to have a sex-change, marry the other, miracullously give birth (in 3 weeks - TV time, you know).  Then divorce and marry your offspring.  THEN you could be a soap opera.

My wife has even taken to using "my" name for them...

"Shhh - my crap is on!"

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #132 on: May 31, 2007, 08:01:08 AM »
All right, this thread has really inspired me!  I'm going to logon to my gun forum and start a helmet law thread!

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #133 on: May 31, 2007, 09:49:46 AM »
Well I dont think a sex change is needed, there is enough whining going on that most women would be yelling out "PRISSY"!

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #134 on: May 31, 2007, 12:27:36 PM »
All right, this thread has really inspired me!  I'm going to logon to my gun forum and start a helmet law thread!
U got that just about right Ford.
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« Reply #135 on: May 31, 2007, 12:47:45 PM »
Wow, you guys sure monitor this thread closely for people who claim not to be interested.  Why not just ignore it?
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« Reply #136 on: May 31, 2007, 01:56:45 PM »
That way we get to poke fun at the rest of you! :D

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« Reply #137 on: May 31, 2007, 03:27:08 PM »
good Lord won't this thread die,I think you are all mentally ill ;D,for continuing this argument,no one is gone to change anyone's mind on the matterr,but it is funny to watch everyone keep bashing heads like a bunch of Rams in heat  :D.
 thanks for the entertainment ;D

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« Reply #138 on: May 31, 2007, 05:32:43 PM »
You're right, Ledbetter.  That's exactly what Dr. Thompson says in her paper.  It is impossible to convince someone who has irrational fears by trying to use logic.

Unfortunately, presenting facts to try to prove a point is a very hard habit to break (for me anyway).  I always seem to think that if enough facts are presented, it is inevitable that the person will acknowledge those facts and be brought to light.  I'm learning, though.  I won't be wasting much breath on this case anymore.  Please not the brevity of my past few responses in the thread (I consider this message a sidebar, as it is very off topic).

Ledbetter, I think you, in particular, would enjoy Dr. Thompson's article, although you seem to have already mastered the "not trying to convince" skill that I'm just beginning to practice.  There are some really interesting insights into the minds of anti-gun people.  Stuff I've never really understood before.  Although she focuses on anti-gun people, her logic applies to people with all sorts of irrational fears.  I'm really happy to have stumbled upon this article, even though it was as a by-product of such a fruitless "debate".


good Lord won't this thread die,I think you are all mentally ill ;D,for continuing this argument,no one is gone to change anyone's mind on the matterr,but it is funny to watch everyone keep bashing heads like a bunch of Rams in heat  :D.
 thanks for the entertainment ;D

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #139 on: May 31, 2007, 05:38:13 PM »
You're right, Ledbetter.  That's exactly what Dr. Thompson says in her paper.  It is impossible to convince someone who has irrational fears by trying to use logic.

Unfortunately, presenting facts to try to prove a point is a very hard habit to break (for me anyway).  I always seem to think that if enough facts are presented, it is inevitable that the person will acknowledge those facts and be brought to light.  I'm learning, though.  I won't be wasting much breath on this case anymore.  Please not the brevity of my past few responses in the thread (I consider this message a sidebar, as it is very off topic).

Ledbetter, I think you, in particular, would enjoy Dr. Thompson's article, although you seem to have already mastered the "not trying to convince" skill that I'm just beginning to practice.  There are some really interesting insights into the minds of anti-gun people.  Stuff I've never really understood before.  Although she focuses on anti-gun people, her logic applies to people with all sorts of irrational fears.  I'm really happy to have stumbled upon this article, even though it was as a by-product of such a fruitless "debate".


good Lord won't this thread die,I think you are all mentally ill ;D,for continuing this argument,no one is gone to change anyone's mind on the matterr,but it is funny to watch everyone keep bashing heads like a bunch of Rams in heat  :D.
 thanks for the entertainment ;D

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I read the article and it was very good. I think this topic has been played out on this thread. I could use the time to clean one of my Pistols.
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« Reply #140 on: May 31, 2007, 07:10:44 PM »
On today’s episode of As The Soap Burns, an open letter with intimate dialog, words of praise and loathing.

Dear BB (alias T of A),
Just thought I’d post a short note for you to ignore.  Seems only fair after you poured your heart out to me in eloquent and dulcet phrases for all to see.  You’ll find my remarks interspersed with yours, below.

Man, it's raining outside so I thought (just for once) I'd read one of TT's posts from start to finish, and boy, have I learned a lot!

For a moment there I thought the mentally debilitating dehydration effects of the drought had begun to repair itself, with water replacing some of the alcohol in the body volume.  But no, your post is so far off topic, even evading same, that it can only be perceived as a concession of defeat on the gun control issue. A debate does not have to be combative.  But, if that is all you know, steer the conversation to that, eh?

TT, you are a certifiable mental case mate!

(obvious topic diversion, tactic.  Oh well.  Trading insults will entertain the group, I guess.)
Oh, now you are a member of yet another the elite group as well.  I wasn’t aware you had those credentials, as well. Do you do psychoanalysis as a hobby?  Or, do people pay you for that service as well?  I really thought gun control advocate, soldier, Master machinist, motorcycle assembler, oil cooler huckster, and pugilist had you pretty busy.  Is there no end to your talents, in your own mind?

See, this really validates my point, people with obvious mental illness ..., shouldn't be allowed anywhere near  a gun!

I note that claiming credit for other people’s accomplishments is another of your many talents.  It isn’t your point at all. It is part of the U.S. laws restricting gun purchasers that have been in effect since you were able to utter the phrase "ME TOO".

Geez, but if you just want me to fly to America so you can point your big gun at me with the express purpose of frightening me away, thus (in your poor suffering mind) somehow winning this argument, then why not?
 
Win an argument with you? Oh, I would never expect you to admit that.  I’ve long since understood that, while you are talented in many fields of elitism (see above), compilation, understanding of data and how it relates to single subject matter, is not considered a valuable asset for your perception of eliteness.  Besides that, you don’t have the ability to stay on topic long enough to even reach a conclusion, let alone an agreement.  When it looks like you might lose an argument, you divert attention to something else. Like personal insults that have no basis in anyone’s reality but, perhaps, your own.

I won’t fly you to America because that would advocate violence, which I do not.  It’s violent enough over here without you adding to the violence pool. You have already threatened me with violence, and it has apparently pissed you off greatly that I won’t back down and simply say yes sir, Mr. Big man sir, whatever you say is correct, sir.

(Fiction deleted…)
 I'm not much of an actor.

Gee, really?  But, you’ve tried so many roles!  Let’s see, you’ve represented yourself as:
Statistician:  More of an impersonation than an actual acting role, don’t you think?  Though, I think some of the naive were enthralled with the performance.  No awards, though.  Real statisticians collect more than 2 or 3 uncorroborated data points.

Researcher:  Don’t researchers actually use credible data and delve beyond the superficial?  They also read profusely, and are consistently capable of reading entire reports beginning to end.  That’s not really you’re forte’, now, is it?

Analyst: an individual of whom the primary function is a deep examination of a specific, limited area. 
Let’s look at just one example, shall we?
...it's no wonder that 35,000 of you are killed on average every year from their mis-use, ... Cheers, Terry. :-\ 

I haven’t been paid to do research in a few years.  But, just to see if my skills are still valid, I went looking for your stat numbers to see if I could determine which end of your body they came from, and if your analysis of "misuse" had some validity.  Here’s a "Gun Nut" source:
http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/glance/tables/frmdth.htm
U.S. Department of Justice - Bureau of Justice Statistics - Key Facts at a Glance
Hmm, no 35,000. Terry must have been rounding. Let’s use 1995; 35,957 under the heading of ALL firearm deaths, 51% of those suicide; 18,503, 44% Homicides; 15,835, 3% unintentional; 1,225. 1% Other; 394. OK, so far.

Research continues:
Are these all misuse?
Unintentional-  yeah, I gotta agree on that category, that’s misuse.
Other – These are undetermined.  Could fall into any category if truth were known.
Suicides – I question misuse.  Had the person survived for interview, would he not say the gun did exactly what was intended?  Is a person not allowed to choose their own fate?  Is each and every taxpayer required to do so until someone else decides it is too costly?  Do we then argue about what is a better way to commit suicide?  Or, if that is better than living ten years in pain and agony at the whims of anti-gunners?

I’m takin’ these out of the misuse category, sorry.

Homicides – Now this sounds indisputable, until you find out that this stat includes self defense and police shootings.  Didn’t BB say that the police should have guns?   How many of these Homicides are truly misuse.  People don’t have a right to defend themselves?

So, even though I’m certain less than half of Terry’s numbers are actual misuse, lets use the 35K number, anyway, in a cost/benefit calculation.  If the police can use guns for good, so can ordinary citizens.
Who’s numbers do you want to use?
Gark Kleck’s survey of 2.5 million Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs)?
DOJ 1994 Survey of 1.5 million?
Or, the highly biased National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which in 1993, estimated 108,000?

Even the most biased calculation puts guns in benefit over cost nearly three to one.

I would have to conclude that Terry failed in his acting role as researcher, as the performance just wasn’t believable. So, Terry’s right, I agree. He’s not much of an actor and an even worse authority on gun control research, statistics and analysis.

Perhaps something in a comedic role would be better suited to your acting abilities?

(More off topic, but highly creative, drivel (hey I’m trying to be nice) deleted…)
 (it's not like you'll be spending the holiday with friends, as you don't have that many)

Fairly true, actually. It’s a small circle.  But, none of the friends I do have want me defenseless, injured or killed.  They also know that I will protect them, as well, if the need arises.  If you are trying to imply that our, or any, friendship is threatened by this disagreement, then I would have to question the value of said friendship. Perhaps I might have enjoyed being your friend.  But, I won’t be the sycophant you crave.
If, on the other hand, you are implying that you are right and I am wrong simply because of a friendship count, then perhaps your friends aren’t as loyal as you think they are.  In that case, numbers don’t matter when it is most important or they are out of your earshot, especially when they learn that your beliefs are based on faulty information.

Anyway, put your money where your mouth is mate, and I'll promise you that at least one of us is gonna have some fun! Cheers, Terry. (Big Bully)


So, let me understand this, BB.  If I pay you airfare to the Americas, you’ll switch sides from antigun to pro-gun advocate?  Will there be any contractual time limits on this arrangement?  Given your track record on argumental accuracy, might we make the bargain for silence on the GC issue for your part?  I’m thinking both sides would be better served in that case.  But, your offer does say something about your conviction on the issue.

Pretty sure you won’t admit to reading this post, as guile seems to be your modus operandi.   You're pretty good with the snide comments.  But, I think I might be up to the challenge and we can drag each other into the gutter in a public debaucle.  But, I have to ask.  Do you want to debate gun control, just hurl insults at one another in a public forum, or agree to disagree?

Cheers mate!  ;D
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #141 on: May 31, 2007, 09:08:57 PM »
So, TT, all long-winded bullshiite posts aside, are we on, or are you just doing your best to chicken out? I'd invite you here, but you wouldn't be allowed in with your 1911 (penis extension) so we gotta do it there?

C'mon mate, I said you can have your gun, what else do you want, someone to hold it for you? (what a woose................) Ha ha, Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #142 on: June 01, 2007, 03:48:43 AM »
This thread is beginning to take on some very personal and specifically directed communications. I wonder if it wouldn't best be continued via PM's between the interested parties.
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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #143 on: June 01, 2007, 04:52:15 AM »
I think thats good advice Bob. Having read TTs post I have to say Im surprised by the childish nature of it. Its hard to believe this has been written by Llyod, the guy who is normally so logical and rational.

"But, I think I might be up to the challenge and we can drag each other into the gutter in a public debaucle."

Many of the comments you make about T of A can equally apply to you Lloyd and I think you have done a pretty good job of dragging yourself into a the gutter. If I were you Id stop the mud-slinging now.

Ed  - everyone always appreciates facts but "facts" are rarely absolute truths and there are "facts" that can support both sides of the argument. In this case I agree with Ledbetter that you are simply wasting your time (and appearing self-righteous) in your asserting that you are the only one here providing the "real" facts. 

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #144 on: June 01, 2007, 07:38:38 AM »
As The ALMIGHTY Bender would say:  Bite My Shiny Metal Ass!  Or in a parallel universe: Bite My Glorious Golden Ass!

 

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« Reply #145 on: June 01, 2007, 07:45:38 AM »
Are you talking to yourself again Eldar?  ::)


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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #146 on: June 01, 2007, 08:23:38 AM »
I might be, but there is less drama that way! ;D  I couldnt find any Cornholio soundboards that I could copy and post here. It is all about bungholes, of which there has been quite a lot of bungholing going on in this post! ;)

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #147 on: June 01, 2007, 09:06:46 AM »
Andy, obviously you weren't paying attention, but Bob has asked to take the discussion to PMs.  Out of respect for the moderator, I will not reply to your post on this public forum.  If you'll take the time to read my last post (prior to Bob's request), you'll understand why I won't bother to PM you either.

I think thats good advice Bob. Having read TTs post I have to say Im surprised by the childish nature of it. Its hard to believe this has been written by Llyod, the guy who is normally so logical and rational.

"But, I think I might be up to the challenge and we can drag each other into the gutter in a public debaucle."

Many of the comments you make about T of A can equally apply to you Lloyd and I think you have done a pretty good job of dragging yourself into a the gutter. If I were you Id stop the mud-slinging now.

Ed  - everyone always appreciates facts but "facts" are rarely absolute truths and there are "facts" that can support both sides of the argument. In this case I agree with Ledbetter that you are simply wasting your time (and appearing self-righteous) in your asserting that you are the only one here providing the "real" facts. 

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #148 on: June 01, 2007, 09:19:02 AM »
Well andy is correct about facts. The only way for a person to get all the facts is to look at every case which involved guns, all of them. And do so for multiple countries. None of us here can do that,This would be a fulltime with overtime undertaking which would probably take a few years to complete. So 10 years from now, we could have a hopefully unbiased report which even though finished, is already 10 years old and so is really pointless.

Both sides can take the same number and just through simple reorganization, apply it as "fact" to support their argument.

being as how this is a cycle forum and we do this in our spare time, none of our "facts" will be any more factual than anyone else's. Not even yours, Ed.

Your facts are not worth horse piss, terry's are not, lloyd's are not. Mine are not either as we all are using sources that are not 100% factual anyways. When you use incorrect data, you will have an incorrect answer.

You will never change terry's mind, after all, his stance makes his job easier. So when his govt tells him its time to become a dictatorship, he will have less to worry about in the way of getting shot! ;D  Course if he is a man of scruples, he and the rest of the servicemen would not follow such an order. But the same should be hoped for with our servicemen When bushie decides he wants to keep power and wipe his ass with the constitution.

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Re: Why this Virginian will never accept Gun Control 37th Anniversary
« Reply #149 on: June 01, 2007, 11:59:26 AM »
Read the article and it was fascinating.
 So can we officially declare this thread dead ::)please say yes.
Call a truce,shake hands and walk away like gentlemen.

Ledbetter