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« Reply #100 on: May 16, 2007, 08:01:41 PM »
Parts are expensive and hard to find! >:(  (for the 550, anyway)

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« Reply #101 on: May 17, 2007, 05:19:41 AM »
there are over here to for the 750's ;),   mick.
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« Reply #102 on: May 17, 2007, 06:53:52 AM »
Does anything bad that happened in Vermont lately ring a bell???

Ah, I couldn't see the forest for the trees I guess. I didn't really get much involved with that one, I guess I just ran out of outrage when that nutcase killed the Amish kids. It seems like it's a new travesty every week nowadays :(
I think Senor Breeze meant Virginia. As in Virginia Tech (VT). Just to clarify.
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« Reply #103 on: May 17, 2007, 08:41:23 AM »
I think he knew what breeze was saying. IC was referring to spree that happened a while back where some nut went into a amish school I think and started gunning them down.

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« Reply #104 on: May 17, 2007, 05:29:11 PM »
I think he knew what breeze was saying. IC was referring to spree that happened a while back where some nut went into a amish school I think and started gunning them down.

Exactly, Eldar.  Too many horrors recently (seems like it got worse since 9/11)

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« Reply #105 on: May 17, 2007, 06:53:54 PM »
Feeling Safe Isn't Safe
By Michael Barone
Posted 4/29/07

The murders two weeks ago at Virginia Tech naturally set off a cry in the usual quarters-the New York Times, the London-based Economist-for stricter gun control laws. Democratic officeholders didn't chime in, primarily because they believe they were hurt by the issue in 2000 and 2004, but most privately agree.

What most discussions of this issue tend to ignore is that we have two tracks of political debate and two sets of laws on gun control. At the federal level there has been a push for more gun control laws since John Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, and some modest restrictions have been passed. At the state level something entirely different has taken place. In 1987 Florida passed a law allowing citizens who could demonstrate that they were law-abiding and had sufficient training to obtain permits on demand to own and carry concealed weapons. In the succeeding 20 years many other states have passed such laws, so that today you can, if you meet the qualifications, carry concealed weapons in 40 states with 67 percent of the nation's population (including Vermont, with no gun restrictions at all).
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When Florida passed its concealed-weapons law, I thought it was a terrible idea. People would start shooting each other over traffic altercations; parking lots would turn into shooting galleries. Not so, it turned out. Only a very, very few concealed-weapons permits have been revoked. There are only rare incidents in which people with concealed-weapons permits have used them unlawfully. Ordinary law-abiding people, it turns out, are pretty trustworthy.

Unfounded fears. I'm not the only one to draw such a conclusion. When she was Michigan's attorney general, Democrat Jennifer Granholm opposed the state's concealed-weapons law, which took effect in 2001. But now, as governor, she's not seeking its repeal. She says that her fears-like those I had about Florida's law 20 years ago-proved to be unfounded. So far as I know, there are no politically serious moves to repeal any state's concealed-weapons laws. In most of the United States, as you go to work, shop at the mall, go to restaurants, and walk around your neighborhood, you do so knowing that some of the people you pass by may be carrying a gun. You may not even think about it. But that's all right. Experience has shown that these people aren't threats.

Virginia has a concealed-weapons law. But Virginia Tech was, by the decree of its administrators, a "gun-free zone." Those with concealed-weapons permits were not allowed to take their guns on campus and were disciplined when they did. A bill was introduced in the House of Delegates to allow permit holders to carry guns on campus. When it was sidetracked, a Virginia Tech administrator hailed the action and said that students, professors, and visitors would now "feel safe" on campus. Tragically, they weren't safe. Virginia Tech's "gun-free zone" was not gun free. In contrast, killers on other campuses were stopped by faculty or bystanders who had concealed-weapons permits and brandished their guns to stop the killing.

We may hear more about gun control at the national level. The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals recently ruled that the District of Columbia's ban on handguns violates the Second Amendment's right "to keep and bear arms." Judge Laurence Silberman's strong opinion argues that this is consistent with the Supreme Court's ruling in a 1939 case upholding a federal law banning sawed-off shotguns; limited regulation is allowed, Silberman wrote, but not a total ban. Somewhere on the road between a law banning possession of nuclear weapons and banning all guns the Second Amendment stands in the way. This is the view as well of the liberal constitutional law scholar Laurence Tribe. The Supreme Court may take the case, which is in conflict with other circuits' rulings.

If it upholds the D.C. decision, there is still room for reasonable gun regulation. The mental health ruling on the Virginia Tech killer surely should have been entered into the instant check database to prevent him from buying guns. The National Rifle Association is working with gun control advocate Rep. Carolyn McCarthy to improve that database. But even as we fine-tune laws to make sure guns don't get into the wrong hands, maybe the opinion elites will realize that in places where gun ownership is widespread, we're safer than in a "gun-free zone."

This story appears in the May 7, 2007 print edition of U.S. News & World Report.  http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070429/7barone.htm
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« Reply #106 on: May 17, 2007, 07:56:07 PM »
Totally my bad!!!!!! I know it was Virginia but yet I typed in Vermont!!! (time for a vacation!!!!.....that starts with a V also!!).
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« Reply #107 on: May 17, 2007, 08:15:21 PM »
Question:?
Will there be any of these bags of parts when our grand kids want to re-build a bike?  What will they want to work on in 25 years?  A 68 Camero is already worth $100,00  .....what will interest them?...a 97 F-150?  a 1989 mustang? I doubt it.

Our bikes will be like finding parts for a model T now.

Your thoughts on what our grand children will restore "without our inheritance" ;D

Hmmm. Good question.

Lets pick a modern motorcycle manufacturer.... Harley D. They make 350,000 motorcycles every year and currently sell every one of them, so at current production that is over a million bikes every three years. Unless a black hole opens up in the ground and swallows a disproportionate number of these there will still be a load of 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008 or whatever bikes/parts around in 20 years time.

The same could be said of most current mainstream manufacturers, except for the rabid production of sportbikes which change every year at the whim of motorcyclown squidus
(   http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=21110.0   ). I could see that getting body parts for a 2003 Yamhonkawazuki ABCXYZ600 might be a challenge in 20 years time.

Rambling along here, it's of note that in the entire production run of Norton Commandos (1968-1978 ish) there were only 60,000 made, total.

Will there still be bags of parts for the 'bikes we know and love? Possibly not. Will there still be barn finds in the future?... you've got to believe it will still be so.
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« Reply #108 on: May 18, 2007, 12:21:33 AM »
Feeling Safe Isn't Safe
By Michael Barone
Posted 4/29/07

The murders two weeks ago at Virginia Tech naturally set off a cry in the usual quarters-the New York Times, the London-based Economist-for stricter gun control laws. Democratic officeholders didn't chime in, primarily because they believe they were hurt by the issue in 2000 and 2004, but most privately agree.

What most discussions of this issue tend to ignore is that we have two tracks of political debate and two sets of laws on gun control. At the federal level there has been a push for more gun control laws since John Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, and some modest restrictions have been passed. At the state level something entirely different has taken place. In 1987 Florida passed a law allowing citizens who could demonstrate that they were law-abiding and had sufficient training to obtain permits on demand to own and carry concealed weapons. In the succeeding 20 years many other states have passed such laws, so that today you can, if you meet the qualifications, carry concealed weapons in 40 states with 67 percent of the nation's population (including Vermont, with no gun restrictions at all).
Related News

    * Browse through an archive of columns by Michael Barone.
    * Barone Blog
    * Gun Control's Uphill Climb
    * Toward a Safer Campus
    * Boosting Security With Cellphone Alerts
    * Schooled by the Tragedy
    * Columbine: 8 Years Later
    * Tragic Connection Back Home
    * Special Report: Va. Tech
    * Video: Va. Tech Coverage
    * More From Opinion
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When Florida passed its concealed-weapons law, I thought it was a terrible idea. People would start shooting each other over traffic altercations; parking lots would turn into shooting galleries. Not so, it turned out. Only a very, very few concealed-weapons permits have been revoked. There are only rare incidents in which people with concealed-weapons permits have used them unlawfully. Ordinary law-abiding people, it turns out, are pretty trustworthy.

Unfounded fears. I'm not the only one to draw such a conclusion. When she was Michigan's attorney general, Democrat Jennifer Granholm opposed the state's concealed-weapons law, which took effect in 2001. But now, as governor, she's not seeking its repeal. She says that her fears-like those I had about Florida's law 20 years ago-proved to be unfounded. So far as I know, there are no politically serious moves to repeal any state's concealed-weapons laws. In most of the United States, as you go to work, shop at the mall, go to restaurants, and walk around your neighborhood, you do so knowing that some of the people you pass by may be carrying a gun. You may not even think about it. But that's all right. Experience has shown that these people aren't threats.

Virginia has a concealed-weapons law. But Virginia Tech was, by the decree of its administrators, a "gun-free zone." Those with concealed-weapons permits were not allowed to take their guns on campus and were disciplined when they did. A bill was introduced in the House of Delegates to allow permit holders to carry guns on campus. When it was sidetracked, a Virginia Tech administrator hailed the action and said that students, professors, and visitors would now "feel safe" on campus. Tragically, they weren't safe. Virginia Tech's "gun-free zone" was not gun free. In contrast, killers on other campuses were stopped by faculty or bystanders who had concealed-weapons permits and brandished their guns to stop the killing.

We may hear more about gun control at the national level. The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals recently ruled that the District of Columbia's ban on handguns violates the Second Amendment's right "to keep and bear arms." Judge Laurence Silberman's strong opinion argues that this is consistent with the Supreme Court's ruling in a 1939 case upholding a federal law banning sawed-off shotguns; limited regulation is allowed, Silberman wrote, but not a total ban. Somewhere on the road between a law banning possession of nuclear weapons and banning all guns the Second Amendment stands in the way. This is the view as well of the liberal constitutional law scholar Laurence Tribe. The Supreme Court may take the case, which is in conflict with other circuits' rulings.

If it upholds the D.C. decision, there is still room for reasonable gun regulation. The mental health ruling on the Virginia Tech killer surely should have been entered into the instant check database to prevent him from buying guns. The National Rifle Association is working with gun control advocate Rep. Carolyn McCarthy to improve that database. But even as we fine-tune laws to make sure guns don't get into the wrong hands, maybe the opinion elites will realize that in places where gun ownership is widespread, we're safer than in a "gun-free zone."

This story appears in the May 7, 2007 print edition of U.S. News & World Report.  http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070429/7barone.htm


Some good points there Bobby, but this argument still skips around the fact that the common demominator in the US average of 35,000+ gun related deaths per year, is........... guns. (here's a link I pulled stright off google, I didn't write it, but I thought I better print it to dissuade anyone from accusing me of making up stats: http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html )

Take away the guns and I've no doubt people will still continue to find ways to kill each other (or themselves) but hopefully, not as regularly. How you take away the guns in a country where guns feature so heavily in your culture is the 64000 dollar question though, and the Charlton Heston "Cold dead hands" speech comes back to me whenever I think about this.

In Oz, it was pretty painless, the government introduced a "buy-back" scheme, and offered better than market prices for our guns, and most gun owners were happy to hand them in. We've still got plenty of registered gun owners and plenty of registered guns out there too, and while I still can't see the need to own them, at least they're a lot more tightly regulated than they were before.

Sure, there are still unregistered guns here, but in greatly reduced numbers after the buy-back, and for every gun that's been destroyed, that's one less opportunity for it to fall into the wrong hands. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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« Reply #109 on: May 18, 2007, 12:26:29 AM »
 ;D sorry this is short. I agree.

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« Reply #110 on: May 18, 2007, 01:44:34 AM »
Yeah nick the younger generation will be finding our bikes in sheds and garages in 20/ 30 years time  ;),  cheers mick.
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« Reply #111 on: May 18, 2007, 06:17:07 AM »
Terry, unlike Oz, a lot of the guns used illegally here in the US, most are imported, also illegally. So gun laws do nothing to stop that. Gun laws also do not stop criminals. They will find a way to get a gun and in most cases, it is done illegally. Gun laws cant address that.
Fact is that you can put all the gun laws on the books you want and criminals will still find them. It MAY be a bit harder but thats it. You only succeed in taking guns away from law abiding citizens, thus removing a powerful means of self-defence.

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« Reply #112 on: May 18, 2007, 06:21:54 AM »
Nick brings up a good point. There are some many HDs and I am sure parts were used in multiple models and years that a demand may exist years into the future. That would make for a brisk market in repro parts, which is a big business for Corvettes and other Muscle cars. I think there will be a given number of CB750s existing in the future. So many were made, but,  Bikes are being dsmanteled and sold off on ebay by the hundreds each year. A I think ours and others may fall into the Vincent category where a small number of bikes will be kept running by true believers.
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« Reply #113 on: May 18, 2007, 06:36:55 AM »
Terry, with all due respect. Oz is a a very large and empty landmass. You have about 20 Million people which is the population of NY and some other States. You have a different culture, population demographic. I think that Gun control in the US will not work, we will not comply and the Govt will not pay what these guns are worth.
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« Reply #114 on: May 18, 2007, 01:30:40 PM »
Terry, with all due respect. Oz is a a very large and empty landmass. You have about 20 Million people which is the population of NY and some other States. You have a different culture, population demographic. I think that Gun control in the US will not work, we will not comply and the Govt will not pay what these guns are worth.

Fair enough Bobby, I can't disagree with that, the sad thing though is that you will never stop the VT style killings, as long as American people put private gun ownership over the lives of their fellow Americans. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #115 on: May 18, 2007, 02:19:25 PM »
I tried to retire at age 30, but got married and wife sent me off to work. >:(

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« Reply #116 on: May 18, 2007, 02:23:55 PM »
Well that may be but lets not forget there are still people gunning others down in places like germany and such and they have VERY strict gun controls. The difference is that media outlets love to report on things in the US and grandize them.

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« Reply #118 on: May 19, 2007, 07:35:28 AM »
Terry, with all due respect. Oz is a a very large and empty landmass. You have about 20 Million people which is the population of NY and some other States. You have a different culture, population demographic. I think that Gun control in the US will not work, we will not comply and the Govt will not pay what these guns are worth.

Fair enough Bobby, I can't disagree with that, the sad thing though is that you will never stop the VT style killings, as long as American people put private gun ownership over the lives of their fellow Americans. Cheers, Terry. ;D
Sadly, you are probably right Mate. Freedom does have a price. Something very odd is happening. The School had prohbited off duty Cops taking classes from being armed on Campus. They are being severely criticized for that. You may see a reversal there and in other schools. What I see is a bunker mentality forming after 9/11 here. People have the feeling that we need to fight back against the bad guys internal and external. We realize the Government and Police cannot protect us completely. Such is Life in the US of A.
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« Reply #119 on: May 20, 2007, 01:55:02 AM »
I agree with that "fight back" mentality too Bobby, I can't accept our government's assertion that the safest thing that you can do in a robbery or rape situation is just comply with the perpetrator, but equally, I really don't like the idea of normal people arming themselves on a daily basis, "just in case".

As I'm sure you probably remember from your mis-spent youth, a 2x4 or even a trash can lid can prove to be a valuable defensive weapon, in a pinch. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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« Reply #120 on: May 20, 2007, 07:38:30 AM »
sure can, but not when that criminal has his own gun which was obtained illegally.

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« Reply #121 on: May 20, 2007, 09:03:47 AM »
I agree with that "fight back" mentality too Bobby, I can't accept our government's assertion that the safest thing that you can do in a robbery or rape situation is just comply with the perpetrator, but equally, I really don't like the idea of normal people arming themselves on a daily basis, "just in case".

As I'm sure you probably remember from your mis-spent youth, a 2x4 or even a trash can lid can prove to be a valuable defensive weapon, in a pinch. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
I was just out with some of my childhood friends. We were talking about the old days. We had some punch ups. Just good fun actually. I am glad to this point that my personal weapons have been "just in case" like most people I have no desire to hurt someone. On the other hand, I have no desire to be hurt either. As I get into my elder years I may carry more. My strategy will be to distract them with my cane, and pop them with the Glock.  ;D
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« Reply #122 on: May 20, 2007, 06:00:07 PM »
excelent plan bobby r


I was talking to a guy at work the other da and he said he has a gun within arms reach of any sitting place in his home, chairs couch even one behind the toilet....



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« Reply #123 on: May 21, 2007, 12:39:03 AM »
I agree with that "fight back" mentality too Bobby, I can't accept our government's assertion that the safest thing that you can do in a robbery or rape situation is just comply with the perpetrator, but equally, I really don't like the idea of normal people arming themselves on a daily basis, "just in case".

As I'm sure you probably remember from your mis-spent youth, a 2x4 or even a trash can lid can prove to be a valuable defensive weapon, in a pinch. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
I was just out with some of my childhood friends. We were talking about the old days. We had some punch ups. Just good fun actually. I am glad to this point that my personal weapons have been "just in case" like most people I have no desire to hurt someone. On the other hand, I have no desire to be hurt either. As I get into my elder years I may carry more. My strategy will be to distract them with my cane, and pop them with the Glock.  ;D

I tell you what Bobby, when I get some free time I'll turn you up a nice "walking stick gun" on my lathe and mill, that will save you valuable seconds when you have to "draw down" on some hoodlum, ha ha! ;D


I was talking to a guy at work the other da and he said he has a gun within arms reach of any sitting place in his home, chairs couch even one behind the toilet....

if the zombies ever atack i'm going to hang out at his place

Watch out for your work mate Richard, he's a paranoid pscyzophrenic. Don't think that being his friend will save you when someone eats his cup-cake and he goes ballistic and kills everyone at work either, he'll probably just kill you first so you don't suffer too much anguish waiting around under your desk for your appointment with the Great Pumpkin..............  ;D
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« Reply #124 on: May 21, 2007, 05:45:15 PM »
I agree with that "fight back" mentality too Bobby, I can't accept our government's assertion that the safest thing that you can do in a robbery or rape situation is just comply with the perpetrator, but equally, I really don't like the idea of normal people arming themselves on a daily basis, "just in case".

As I'm sure you probably remember from your mis-spent youth, a 2x4 or even a trash can lid can prove to be a valuable defensive weapon, in a pinch. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
I was just out with some of my childhood friends. We were talking about the old days. We had some punch ups. Just good fun actually. I am glad to this point that my personal weapons have been "just in case" like most people I have no desire to hurt someone. On the other hand, I have no desire to be hurt either. As I get into my elder years I may carry more. My strategy will be to distract them with my cane, and pop them with the Glock.  ;D

I tell you what Bobby, when I get some free time I'll turn you up a nice "walking stick gun" on my lathe and mill, that will save you valuable seconds when you have to "draw down" on some hoodlum, ha ha! ;D


I was talking to a guy at work the other da and he said he has a gun within arms reach of any sitting place in his home, chairs couch even one behind the toilet....

if the zombies ever atack i'm going to hang out at his place

Watch out for your work mate Richard, he's a paranoid pscyzophrenic. Don't think that being his friend will save you when someone eats his cup-cake and he goes ballistic and kills everyone at work either, he'll probably just kill you first so you don't suffer too much anguish waiting around under your desk for your appointment with the Great Pumpkin..............  ;D


Terry, you've crossed the line this time!  The Great Pumpkin brings presents on Halloween, he doesn't take you away when you die, that's the Tooth Fairy!