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Re: The Official GET IT OFF YOUR CHEST THREAD
« Reply #75 on: May 13, 2007, 05:34:06 PM »
Unemployment (UE) statistics lie.
Sorry had to say it, because I was UE for several years, and did not count against the statistics because I was not
recieveing compensation, although I was still looking for gainful employment.

Yes I finally did find a job, but alas not in another machine shop. My current wages are less than half of what I made
as a teenager 30 years ago! (taking into account inflation).

The minimum wage in Vermont is $7.50 hour, in NH I believe it is $5.45 hour (?). Try having this wage with 2 kids in
college, house payments and then try and convince me I am better off. (seems all politicians used to try this line)

Our manufacturing base has left the Connecticut Valley and so have the wages. Why do the politicains not care?
Could it be because my new Billionaire neighbor has paid off said politicians to ignore us common folk? Me thinks yes.

Rant rant rant.....

And another thing, somewhere I heard most new Vermonters are millionaires. So the call for good low-paying personal
cooks, butlers, groundskeepers etc etc should be increasing soon.

The disparity in wealth in this area is striking. Come drive around and see Trailers with tar-papered walls are at the bottom of the hills that have multi-million $
"new Vermonters" housing at the top.

One new Vermonter is the former candidate for Massachusetts governor. They bought a hillside farmhouse, and paid over $1,000,000 in renovations.

weell, just had to get that off my chest.
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I would say that 74 has taken this thread in a new and interesting direction. Not all Americans are rich, nor is wealth evenly shared. his is not a socialist society. I lve in an area where evrey new home is worth $1M Dollars and an older one like mine is $600K. I also pay $9,000 in property taxes.

When he is of break from College my Son makes no less than $10.00 per hour.  Beyond this crap about Guns, we have a changing economy in which manufacturing jobs
are leaving. Not everyone has the ability or opportunity to become a Doctor, Lawyer, Computer Programmer, etc.  But, they should be able  to make a living wage and put food on the table. We do need a change in Washington to start re inventing America.

I have spent time in Vermont and when in Mass, I pop across the border into NH to buy deep discounted Liquor and Wine from the State store. I also buy clothing with no sales tax.

Around Christmas The Salvation Army collects money, in NH I have rarely observed people not drop something in the bucket. From the cars they are driving, these are not people with a great deal, but, they will give something for people who have less. This is the finest example of the American character.

We as Americans were taught as children that we have rights and these rights were paid for dearly in the various wars. We do not like to have our rights taken away from us. Even if we don't personally exercise that particular right.



 
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« Reply #76 on: May 14, 2007, 12:19:38 AM »
Typical.  TT checked and corrected the false statistics you claimed, and gave you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you just couldn't be bothered reading past the first three lines.  He was a lot more charitable than I would have been.  I would have just said you were a liar.  Oops, I guess I DID say you ARE A LIAR.

Since you've been caught lying, you've got absolutely no credibility now, so I guess your best defense is to try and discredit the best, most objective, most accurate analysis that's been posted (TT's post), as being boring.

That says an awful lot about you, doesn't it?



Yeah mate, I'm a liar,just like you're a big brave man for calling me names from the safety of a few thousand miles of seperation, ha ha!.

Now back to reality for a moment, Mister Toughguy. The stats that I provided, with links to the sources, are just as (and probably moreso) reliable as TT's, I didn't write them, I just quoted them.

If you don't like the fact that even though you have the most liberal gun ownership laws just about anywhere in the first world, there are so many more criminals in the US than anywhere else including Russia and the Middle East, don't blame me mate, find a mirror, and have a good hard look at yourself. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2007, 08:19:52 AM »
Sorry, Terry, I'm not going to debate with you any longer.

You don't play by the rules.  You misquote statistics.  You dismiss logical rebuttals using phrases like "something you stepped in".  You dismiss fact-filled arguments as "boring".

There is no point in debating with you.

Good luck

Yeah mate, I'm a liar,just like you're a big brave man for calling me names from the safety of a few thousand miles of seperation, ha ha!.

Now back to reality for a moment, Mister Toughguy. The stats that I provided, with links to the sources, are just as (and probably moreso) reliable as TT's, I didn't write them, I just quoted them.

If you don't like the fact that even though you have the most liberal gun ownership laws just about anywhere in the first world, there are so many more criminals in the US than anywhere else including Russia and the Middle East, don't blame me mate, find a mirror, and have a good hard look at yourself. Cheers, Terry. ;D   
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« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2007, 08:44:21 AM »
Well if anything, at least terry does put up stats and links. Misquoting or not, that is still more than I have seen you do anything. I aminly see you make personal attacks and thats about it.  :-\

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« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2007, 09:47:40 AM »
 ;D You're funny Eldar  ;D    -a few jewels from yourself over the past 2 weeks...  ;D

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   -What a F*CKSTICK!
   -Douchbaggery? Do you have a degree in it?
   -I am sure you will just pull more smoke out of your a$$ just to argue.
   -Someday you will actually make it to a kid one instead of that infant drooling of yours.
   -You want to be an #$%* about then be my guest
   -Your brain works fine for a child buddy
   -what makes what you say any more relevant than what we say?  Absolutely nothing.
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« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2007, 10:15:26 AM »
after having been attacted first. Did you miss that part? If one had the time to look through my posts, you would see that I never make a personal attack first and it usually takes more than 1 from some before I do it back. Course I am sure you were not interested in that aspect. Just like if someone hits me, I will hit back but I do not swing first.  I only do it after a person asks for it. And notice who most of them are on, take that into your equation! ;)

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« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2007, 10:31:00 AM »
I've been ignoring Eldar since 5/9/2007.  I've discovered that this is an excellent policy.  I see no reason to change that policy now, even though I'm CURRENTLY being provoked.

My prior posts are visible for all to see.  Just click on the "View Profile" icon under my avatar, then on the "Show the last posts of this person" link.
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« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2007, 11:45:30 AM »
In what way were you being provoked? I would like to see that one. Do you need to be reminded of the things you said? Could easily be done. And to more people than just me, thats a fact. As is the fact you started on me first. Not like I really care. I guess you must though if you ahd to do your "ignore" policy! I must laugh now! :D

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« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2007, 08:16:23 PM »
uhhhmmmm.....
I am no longer unemployed, but can't say I am gainfully employed.
Well, not really.. waht I mean is, what I am really
trying to say is.....

GET OFF the negative stuff.
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« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2007, 10:36:04 PM »
OK Bobby.....see what happens?????????...........Ya get it off your chest and total KAOS ensues.......hope you're happy!!!!!........Hey ....grab me a beer while you're there!!!!! :D
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« Reply #85 on: May 15, 2007, 07:55:24 AM »
yay Cheapo and I arent the most hated members anymore


I was never hated per-se just slightly to moderatly annoying in the humor forum
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« Reply #86 on: May 15, 2007, 08:04:42 AM »
OK Bobby.....see what happens?????????...........Ya get it off your chest and total KAOS ensues.......hope you're happy!!!!!........Hey ....grab me a beer while you're there!!!!! :D
Well they sure vented I would say. This thread is about Chaos.
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« Reply #87 on: May 15, 2007, 08:07:48 AM »
speaking of happy.....



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« Reply #88 on: May 15, 2007, 08:27:40 AM »
speaking of happy.....



Bobbyr's avatars usually make me happy
New one coming up tonite..
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« Reply #89 on: May 15, 2007, 08:35:48 AM »
Apropos of nothing, re: millionaires about the place.

Our generation (the Boomers, that is) are the 'richest' in recorded history. So like it or not there are many of us (not me, incidentally) who are millionaires by inheritance as a direct result of the society we live in. When our folks scrimped and saved for that $5000 house a lifetime ago who would have thought that it would become a $500,000 goldmine, simply due to the change in the economy.

I guess where I'm coming from is that not all 'rich' people are in the pockets of politicians, or vice versa.
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« Reply #90 on: May 15, 2007, 08:39:12 AM »
Sure wish I had the curse of being rich! :D

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« Reply #91 on: May 15, 2007, 02:04:08 PM »
Apropos of nothing, re: millionaires about the place.

Our generation (the Boomers, that is) are the 'richest' in recorded history. So like it or not there are many of us (not me, incidentally) who are millionaires by inheritance as a direct result of the society we live in. When our folks scrimped and saved for that $5000 house a lifetime ago who would have thought that it would become a $500,000 goldmine, simply due to the change in the comnomy.

I guess where I'm coming from is that not all 'rich' people are in the pockets of politicians, or vice versa.
I think Nick is correct the Post WWII boom benefited many of our parents who grew up during the depression. My parents gambled everything to buy a $18,000 in a bulletproof town, now it is worth over a Million. Just the interest from the money when they sell will sustain them for the rest of their lives.

I benefited from the boom of the 70's - 80's since when I  entered the job market things were good. I do worry about what the future holds for my Son and his generation. Did my parents and we baby Boomers use up all the good stuff and leaving a mess for our kids to clean up or exist in. Now that my Son is in college and will be entering the job market in  the next couple of years, I do think about it. Before I had a kid I never gave it a thought. I guess when it is just you, you think in terms of your own lifetime which is very short.
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« Reply #92 on: May 15, 2007, 04:11:07 PM »
Did my parents and we baby Boomers use up all the good stuff and leaving a mess for our kids to clean up or exist in. Now that my Son is in college and will be entering the job market in  the next couple of years, I do think about it. Before I had a kid I never gave it a thought. I guess when it is just you, you think in terms of your own lifetime which is very short.

That's a good question. I believe that the next generation will have the good and the bad.

The bad: because of the bulge in the population demographic caused by us Boomers we are going to be a huge drain on the social assistance/medical system as we get older and sicker. There aren't enough workers coming up behind us to contribute to the social coffers (= taxes) so either taxes will have to be raised or the system will have to move away from the current totally government funded one. I'm referring to Canada here.
It's going to take some creative bureaucracy to solve that one.

The good: As we die off there will be a glut of homes on the market, for fewer buyers. That should mean that the current ridiculous inflation of home prices should moderate with time, and maybe even drop down to 'sensible' levels. I'm assuming in this hypothesis that the country is not going to be flooded with immigrants.

And the next generation get to inherit or buy at rock bottom prices all of the gas guzzling SUVs that we insist on buying, because nobody will want them when gas is $2 a litre.

More bad: because of the shift of lifestyle and eating habits our kids will be the first generation in history to have a lower life expentancy than us.
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« Reply #93 on: May 15, 2007, 05:34:57 PM »
Did my parents and we baby Boomers use up all the good stuff and leaving a mess for our kids to clean up or exist in. Now that my Son is in college and will be entering the job market in  the next couple of years, I do think about it. Before I had a kid I never gave it a thought. I guess when it is just you, you think in terms of your own lifetime which is very short.

That's a good question. I believe that the next generation will have the good and the bad.

The bad: because of the bulge in the population demographic caused by us Boomers we are going to be a huge drain on the social assistance/medical system as we get older and sicker. There aren't enough workers coming up behind us to contribute to the social coffers (= taxes) so either taxes will have to be raised or the system will have to move away from the current totally government funded one. I'm referring to Canada here.
It's going to take some creative bureaucracy to solve that one.

The good: As we die off there will be a glut of homes on the market, for fewer buyers. That should mean that the current ridiculous inflation of home prices should moderate with time, and maybe even drop down to 'sensible' levels. I'm assuming in this hypothesis that the country is not going to be flooded with immigrants.

And the next generation get to inherit or buy at rock bottom prices all of the gas guzzling SUVs that we insist on buying, because nobody will want them when gas is $2 a litre.

More bad: because of the shift of lifestyle and eating habits our kids will be the first generation in history to have a lower life expentancy than us.
Yeah Nick, Canada and the US will walk down the same path. There is no way the two Nations cannot be intertwined. You of course have socialized medicine which will of course  be a drain. We are on the every man for himself plan which will have to change. There are so many of us able to vote the ploliticians will have to go our way. A politicians job is to get re elected.

I never thought about all the empty homes we will leave behind, that is very insightful. The SUVs of course will rust away.
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« Reply #94 on: May 15, 2007, 07:32:04 PM »
I was reading the posts about our parents $$. Mine are divorced and when "god forbid" happens, I will have a fortune dropped in my lap.  But I never sat back and waited for it, having been retired since I was 35, I have told my parents to piss it away, spend it all, travel, travel, travel.

On another note. I received a brand new NOS ignition switch in the mail today from an Ebay purchase. It was for the 78 cm185. It was still in the original bag from the factory in Japan. Must have been sitting on a shelf waiting just for me, covered in dust in a shop for 38 years, guy died or went out of business and some one bought all the stock.

Question:?
Will there be any of these bags of parts when our grand kids want to re-build a bike?  What will they want to work on in 25 years?  A 68 Camero is already worth $100,00  .....what will interest them?...a 97 F-150?  a 1989 mustang? I doubt it.

Our bikes will be like finding parts for a model T now.

Your thoughts on what our grand children will restore "without our inheritance" ;D

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« Reply #95 on: May 15, 2007, 10:25:21 PM »
Okay, guys, what is the "VT" in the avatar?  I've seen it everywhere recently.... ???

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« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2007, 11:24:15 PM »
Does anything bad that happened in Vermont lately ring a bell???
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« Reply #97 on: May 15, 2007, 11:40:51 PM »
Does anything bad that happened in Vermont lately ring a bell???

Ah, I couldn't see the forest for the trees I guess.  I didn't really get much involved with that one, I guess I just ran out of outrage when that nutcase killed the Amish kids.  It seems like it's a new travesty every week nowadays :(

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« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2007, 03:21:27 AM »
I would like to get this off my chest  ::), Bob Wessner has recently had his bike repainted and installed a new seat, mirrors and heatshields for his exhaust and he STILL has not shown us any PICTURES of it  ;) ;D,  cheers mick.
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« Reply #99 on: May 16, 2007, 04:41:55 AM »
Sorry, Terry, I'm not going to debate with you any longer.

You don't play by the rules.  You misquote statistics.  You dismiss logical rebuttals using phrases like "something you stepped in".  You dismiss fact-filled arguments as "boring".

There is no point in debating with you.

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Hmmmnnn, well as disappointed as I am that you've lost the will to argue with me anymore, I'm gonna miss you Ed. While you couldn't convince me that a 200 year old law allowing civilians the right to "bear arms" has any real relevance in the 21st century, I still enjoyed reading them, particularly when they got a little "emotional".

But back to reality again, I didn't "mis-quote" any of those stats, I just quoted them straight from their sources, and provided links so that TT could then play "investigative journalist" and write another million word diatribe as only he can, because he's got no life and doesn't have any friends.

Now while you may have found his post mentally stimulating, I find all of his posts about as exciting as watching paint dry. As I've told him before, I've either got a really short attention span, or just a low tolerance to verbosity. Cheers, Terry. ;D

 
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