Topic: "I'll never again open threads with provocative titles" a.k.a. "The can of worms

[Raul CB750K1]

I just read about the "joke" that GWB said about Queen Elizabeth age. What's going one with GWB? Doesn't he have advisors about diplomacy, or just about manners? Man, you can joke when somebody when the situation calls for it, but you just CAN´T joke about the age with a 81-year-old woman, much less when she is the Queen of England. Not just because her political role -GWB has far more power than the Queen-, but for what she represents, the country she represents and the tradition and line-of-blood she belongs to. What's next? If the Pope goes to US in an official visit -regardless of his religious role he represents the State of Vatican-, will he joke with the Pope's age too? He is making Boris Yeltsin look as an educated man.... 


Maybe it was just a way for him to descredit the UK, like the unruly child that had success in life and stands proud in front of his parents. When you are the president of the US you have to learn a thing or two about international affairs, and if you don't want to learn, at least you should follow the advice you are given. Everytime GWB ridiculizes another country he is embarrasing himself and the country he represents.


Raul

[seaweb11]

He refereed to the leader of Canada by a stupid nick name he had made up.
Good manners  for a  bar in Texas, not so good fo a televised speech??

[mrblasty]

Its too bad bad stupidity isn't fatal, and to answer your question Raul, yes he is retarded

[750goes]

Raul,

the guy is a definite retard.......and I don't like using that word.......you can't say he lost it, because he never had it to begin with....
but then again we have John Howard, and he is the bigger retard (GWB's alter ego in OZ)...

[scondon]

Just did a google search to see if I could find what you're referring to,Raul. This MUST be the watered down version(some Australian rag)

“You helped us celebrate our bicentennial in 1796,” he said confidently, and in a split second realised his error. “Er, 1976”, he corrected himself, to a gale of laughter from around the lawn.

The Queen, smiling broadly, gave him a knowing sideways glance.

To another outburst of hilarity from the crowd he told her: “You gave me a look only a mother could give a child.”

At least he didn’t greet her with: “Yo, Majesty, how ya doin’?”


   Any chance you could post a link to what he actually said?


   

Everytime GWB ridiculizes another country he is embarrasing himself and the country he represents.

    Just so you don't fall into the same trap, the word is "ridicules" (Your English is 100% better than my Spanish, BTW).












Don't blame me, I voted for the Turd Sandwich

[ledbetter]

Wow calling some one names is a real mature way to start a political discussion,makes the person doing the name calling look like a real a$$ hole, it shows such a sign of intelligence

Ledbetter

[upperlake04]

 I doubt this was intended as  discussion, but more of an observation.
 Reminds me of an event that happened a few years ago.  George Bush Sr. was at a state dinner at Buckingham Palace with the queen and a large group of international dignitaries. Being on the queens turf, the quests were served first but as soon as GHBs plate was placed in front of him, he started to chow down. In some houses it is a courtesy to wait until everyone  is ready to eat before anyone begins.  Anyway, the queen leaned slightly forward, looked sideways, and gave him a withering look. It was a tense moment. A few minutes later, when everyone was ready to eat, the queen raised her fork, and the meal began.

[Cvillechopper]

We have an idiot for a president, vice-president likes to shoot friends in the face and laugh about it, and the entire cabinet is afraid of going under oath....  Me thinks it's time for a revolution. ( I bet i just made some watch list somewhere!)

I'd also like to say{This post has been edited by the dept of homeland control, err.. security}

[ledbetter]

Umm and Clinton was such a brilliant president

Ledbetter

[scondon]

Wow calling some one names is a real mature way to start a political discussion,makes the person doing the name calling look like a real a$$ hole, it shows such a sign of intelligence

Ledbetter

I didn't vote for Bush, but I can see how you made the association    "Turd Sandwich" was a candidate running against "Giant Douche" in South Park, just so you know.

[super pasty white guy]

I'll just be happy if the current Bush can get through this state visit without pulling a GB Sr. and vomiting on her lap.

Dave

[Chris Schneiter]

Not retarded, just really,really,really,really,really,really,really,really,really,really,really,really,really,really,really,really, Embarrasing..really makes you ponder the fact that since he took office, he offended the entire world!

[eldar]

Well Led, clinton made our economy the strongest it had been in a long time. Bush as butchered it and caused a deficit that would cost EVERY person in the US(even kids) something like 50,000 dollars to pay off if not even more than that now. I guess I dont have $50,000 laying around, do you? 

Clinton may have been a little soft on terror but I dont remember having to be constantly worrying about terror. We worry about it every day, isnt that terror in itself which has been caused by the antics of GWB. Gas under clinton was like 1.50 a gallon. Shortly after bush gets in, up it goes. Hey maybe you WANT to pay $4 a gallon or more this summer. I dont. Supposedly there is a gas shortage, I have never seen a station closed cause they were out of gas. There have been no signs saying people with this latter for a last name can fill these days and not these. I fail to see how there is a shortage if the oil companies are making BILLIONS of dollars in RECORD profits. Yet NOT putting ANY of those funds into the contruction of NEW or even EXPANSION of refineries.

CLinton got a blowjob in the oval office. COOL!!! We got a pres that we can actually confirm as being able to get some. Not some Old codger we have to worry about going senile. Minimum wage was also raised last during clinton. Bush and the rest of the republicans have squashed it ANY time it came up. It has fallen to the states to raise the minimum wage.

If you were already rich, had stock in defence contractors or are in oil, THEN bush has done VERY well.

[nickjtc]

Manners maketh man.

Or as Thumper's mother said in 'Bambi', if you haven't got something nice to say about someone, shut up.

[edbikerii]

I know I should know better than argue with Eldar, as he is much smarter than I am , but here goes...

Bill Gates made our economy the strongest it had been in a long time, not Bill Clinton.  Clinton's tax & spend caused some of the deficits that Bush inherited, and Clinton's impotence on terrorism (remember the first time the World Trade Center was bombed, and Clinton did NOTHING?) caused the current Iraq-war-related deficits.  You see, we SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORRIED about terrorism during the Clinton years, but we had our heads buried in the sand, instead.

Bush was barely in office a few months, and suddenly saddled with a huge technology-driven stock market bubble that was about to burst, and a horrible terrorist atrocity which led us into a now unpopular, expensive war.

As for oil, yeah, its pretty steep.  What makes you think GWB sets those prices?  Or that he has the authority to set limits on oil company profits?  Commodities traders set those prices, based on the perceived ability to get oil delivered.  Yes, all the claims of 'blood for oil' are obviously false, as the commodities traders don't seem to think our presence in Iraq makes oil more abundant (cheaper).  Hey, who keeps buying those Nissan Armada's anyway?

Clinton never got a blowjob in the Oval office.  Just ask him.  His answer was "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".  Remember?

Minimum wage SHOULD be set by states, or even better, municipalities.  Do you really think somebody in NYC can afford to live on the same wages as somebody in Omaha?

No, I don't think Bush is the greatest leader we've ever had, but he isn't to blame for a lot of what he was handed.  All it takes is a good memory to realize that he got handed a bum rap when he took office.

Well Led, clinton made our economy the strongest it had been in a long time. Bush as butchered it and caused a deficit that would cost EVERY person in the US(even kids) something like 50,000 dollars to pay off if not even more than that now. I guess I dont have $50,000 laying around, do you? 

Clinton may have been a little soft on terror but I dont remember having to be constantly worrying about terror. We worry about it every day, isnt that terror in itself which has been caused by the antics of GWB. Gas under clinton was like 1.50 a gallon. Shortly after bush gets in, up it goes. Hey maybe you WANT to pay $4 a gallon or more this summer. I dont. Supposedly there is a gas shortage, I have never seen a station closed cause they were out of gas. There have been no signs saying people with this latter for a last name can fill these days and not these. I fail to see how there is a shortage if the oil companies are making BILLIONS of dollars in RECORD profits. Yet NOT putting ANY of those funds into the contruction of NEW or even EXPANSION of refineries.

CLinton got a blowjob in the oval office. COOL!!! We got a pres that we can actually confirm as being able to get some. Not some Old codger we have to worry about going senile. Minimum wage was also raised last during clinton. Bush and the rest of the republicans have squashed it ANY time it came up. It has fallen to the states to raise the minimum wage.

If you were already rich, had stock in defence contractors or are in oil, THEN bush has done VERY well.

[ofreen]

I just read about the "joke" that GWB said about Queen Elizabeth age.

I'd like to know what was said.  I can't find any reference to it.

I am not very politically correct, but I wince when I hear somebody call somebody a retard.  A mentally retarded person is the way they are through no fault of their own. 

Bush, on the other hand, is ignorant.  That is something he could do something about, but won't, and is unforgivable in his position.  Unfortuanately, he is not alone.  There are lots of dip#$%*s in high office.

Raul, please don't consider my comment about your use of 'retard' as a rebuke because it is not intended that way at all.

[Raul CB750K1]

I just read about the "joke" that GWB said about Queen Elizabeth age.

I'd like to know what was said.  I can't find any reference to it.

I am not very politically correct, but I wince when I hear somebody call somebody a retard.  A mentally retarded person is the way they are through no fault of their own. 

Bush, on the other hand, is ignorant.  That is something he could do something about, but won't, and is unforgivable in his position.  Unfortuanately, he is not alone.  There are lots of dip#$%*s in high office.

Raul, please don't consider my comment about your use of 'retard' as a rebuke because it is not intended that way at all.

Both points on "ridicules" and "retard" taken, no offence taken. You know, english is not my mother tongue. During very much time I was using "couple" when i meant "a lot" and "terrific" where I meant "terrifying"... 

[eldar]

Ed, we had a budget SURPLUS. That means we saved more than we spent. Bush blew it ALL in the first year and then some.

how did gates make our economy strong? I mean At&t is a huge company and what about all the other large companies? To say that gates did it is just plain stupid.

Iraq was caused by clinton? How do you see that? I mean how far to you have to warp things to get that conclusion? The first Bush went into Iraq. It would be his fault more than clintons that we had to go back. As he LEFT saddam in power. Course that means tothing as there has been ABSOLUTELY NO proof that saddam worked with Osama. There were NO WMDs found AT ALL. Bush basicaly FABRICATED stories to get us into Iraq. This has been pretty much proven, IF you bother to read ANYTHING other than what big media tells you. As we all know they are completely honest right?

The trade center WAS bombed, sorta. Not like much really happened. We certainly had no 9/11 with clinton in office. We had very little terror stuff going on then. That sure escalated with bush, or are we just supposed to think so? Maybe that is all just another part of the plan to scrape away our rights which you so blindly think are completely in tact.

Those commodities traders, yeah most all admit to working in some way with the oil companies. Next.

Maybe minimum should be set by states but there should also be a minimum across the board. I dont know why you compare Omaha to nyc. Omaha is VERY expensive. Groceries are probably just as expensive and I bet housing is close. I know where I am at, housing may not be as expensive but most people here live quite a ways from their jobs and he have no large bus line that runs 24/7 and no subway so we have cars and maybe need them more in some instances.  I really wish you would stop trying to hold everything up to nyc. There are many places better to live and it shows how little you have actually been around the country.

But whatever, I am sure you will just pull more smoke out of your a$$ just to argue. Seems to be what you are best at.

[upperlake04]

 The White House staff went the extra mile - about yesterdays events-
 
"The day ended with a second visit to the White House for the administration's first white-tie state dinner. It was designed to showcase American culture and cuisine. But the hosts didn't forget to include special touches designed to honour its British ally and make the Queen feel welcome.

 The centuries-old vermeil flatware and candelabras came from a London silversmith. A made-of-sugar replica of the Queen's 1953 coronation rose graced the cake.

English farmhouse cheeses accompanied the salad course. And the traditional "special guest" invited only at the last minute was sure to be of interest to a horse enthusiast such as the queen: Calvin Borel, the jockey who rode Street Sense to victory in the Kentucky Derby on Saturday with the royals in attendance.

For the sixth state dinner of Bush's presidency, the State Dining Room was decked out in white and gold. Among the 134 guests were scores of diplomats, business men and women and members of Congress. Other than American football star Peyton Manning and golfer Arnold Palmer, the celebrity quotient was low.

In the leaders' toasts at dinner, they took opposite tacks. Bush praised the Queen for a reign that has "deepened our friendship and strengthened our alliance," while the British monarch talked of the threat of terror, problems like climate change and the likelihood of occasional disagreement between allies.

"Ours is a partnership always to be reckoned with in the defence of freedom and the spread of prosperity," she said.

[edbikerii]

We had "BUDGET" surpluses based on taxes that never materialized as the falsely tech hype-bolstered economy collapsed.  Anybody remember DOT COM economy?

The point is that Gates had more to do with it than Clinton.  Microsoft and other technology companies drove the boom in the late '90's.  Not to mention the contribution Gates made to technology by enabling cheap access to PCs and Operating Systems for millions of people worldwide.  Those productivity gains can't be denied.

Clinton COMPLETELY IGNORED THE FIRST WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBING, just as you seem to want to.  It was just by sheer luck that thousands of people weren't killed in that first attack.  In many ways, it was more sophisticated than the second.  Truck bomb vs. box cutters?  Either way, they were both backed by the same group of international terrorists, and the first bombing should not have been ignored.

The coalition that supported the Iraq war, and the overwhelmingly supported resolution that led to our second invasion of Iraq in 2002 were driven entirely by public sentiment in favor of going to war due to the SECOND BOMBING of the World Trade Center.  The "intelligence" that the COALITION (not just the US) gathered, was convincing enough for the rest of those COALITION members to sign on.

I agree, Bush Sr. should have done more in Iraq the first time, too.

I guess you don't count Oklahoma City as terrorism.  Funny, during Clinton's years, the deadliest terrorist attack came from Americans.

And now you're an expert on commodities traders too?

I compare everything to NYC because that is where I live, and because there are over 8 million people here.  That seems to put a "bee in your bonnet".  Too bad, there are lots of real nice people here in NYC.

Ed, we had a budget SURPLUS. That means we saved more than we spent. Bush blew it ALL in the first year and then some.

how did gates make our economy strong? I mean At&t is a huge company and what about all the other large companies? To say that gates did it is just plain stupid.

Iraq was caused by clinton? How do you see that? I mean how far to you have to warp things to get that conclusion? The first Bush went into Iraq. It would be his fault more than clintons that we had to go back. As he LEFT saddam in power. Course that means tothing as there has been ABSOLUTELY NO proof that saddam worked with Osama. There were NO WMDs found AT ALL. Bush basicaly FABRICATED stories to get us into Iraq. This has been pretty much proven, IF you bother to read ANYTHING other than what big media tells you. As we all know they are completely honest right?

The trade center WAS bombed, sorta. Not like much really happened. We certainly had no 9/11 with clinton in office. We had very little terror stuff going on then. That sure escalated with bush, or are we just supposed to think so? Maybe that is all just another part of the plan to scrape away our rights which you so blindly think are completely in tact.

Those commodities traders, yeah most all admit to working in some way with the oil companies. Next.

Maybe minimum should be set by states but there should also be a minimum across the board. I dont know why you compare Omaha to nyc. Omaha is VERY expensive. Groceries are probably just as expensive and I bet housing is close. I know where I am at, housing may not be as expensive but most people here live quite a ways from their jobs and he have no large bus line that runs 24/7 and no subway so we have cars and maybe need them more in some instances.  I really wish you would stop trying to hold everything up to nyc. There are many places better to live and it shows how little you have actually been around the country.

[matchanu]

Ah crap, not this #$%* again.


Stick to talking about bikes.

You guys sound like friggen idiots.

[gregimotis]

A mentally retarded person is the way they are through no fault of their own. 

Bush, on the other hand, is ignorant.

Brilliant sir.

[eldar]

Well lets see, more poor responses on your part. I figured as much. Dot com was a world-wide thing. What, you think only the US has the internet?

Sure technology did help but if the govt spends too much, guess what, you get a deficit. Maybe you should have gone to a different college if you don't know that. But really, in a way you validate my point. Bush has killed the economy and so the boom as you call it cant keep going. But it is strange that more computers have been sold since 2000 than any time before. Same with cell phones. Did you forget the Ipod? Didn't have that during the clinton days. SO really, the tech boom is in FULL swing. XP is microsoft's largert system. It came out after clinton was gone. More computers have been sold with that system than with 95 and 98.

As for the first trade center bombing, what happened? Not much. No tower fell, a few supports got blasted.  You mention Oklahoma City. You can call it terrorism, however in your effort to once again blow smoke, you neglect to say it was DOMESTIC terrorism. It was not some middle east group, it was a US CITIZEN. Same with the Unabomber. Different category there with COMPLETELY different tactics required and thus foreign policy does not cover it.

As for your coalition, well there is evidence that Tony Blair may have known there were no ties and no WMD's. Sure there were a lot of countries that went, but only token forces so they could say that they helped to oust saddam OR they could say that they were suspicious of the intelligence they read. It would be a "cover you butt" move. Home many of these countries are still there? And how much are they actually doing? I never hear ANYTHING about these other countries on the news OR any news sources on the net. Other than british and maybe Australians.

You compare nyc because it has 8 million people. So? LA has more people than nyc.

[ledbetter]

You forgot the attack on the USS Cole and the embasy bombings that happend under Clinton.

Ledbetter

[Raul CB750K1]

hey hey hey, wait a minute. This is not suppoused to be a "Bush vs the previous ones". I just wanted to point out that GWB doesn't seem to have a high sense of diplomacy or manners. It was just a thread about him as a person, not about his political performance....