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Offline Magpie

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Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« on: May 02, 2007, 11:07:38 AM »
Hi gang!
My first engine build so I'm full of questions! Are they any special tips, techniques and don't do's for installing the rings on pistons (K0 750 motor)? Then do you install the pistons on the rods before bolting the rods to the crackshaft?
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Re: Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2007, 12:23:27 PM »
pistons on rods first,then if you have a 3 piece oil ring,install the springy part first,then the bottom flat piece,then the top flat piece.then take the 2nd compression ring and very carefully put one end into the ring groove and wrap the ring around the piston while pushing it into the ring groove,repeat for the top ring.before you put the piston/rod combo into the block,arrange the 2 compression rings with the gaps 180 degrees across from each other.oil the sides of the piston lightly,install your ring compresser/s and lower the block over the pistons.good luck.
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Re: Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2007, 06:55:13 AM »
I never put on new rings but I never needed a compressor, are new rings harder to compress?

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Re: Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2007, 09:49:47 AM »
Ok, got that dusterdude. Now what order do they go in on the piston? The 2 smaller ones appear identical so they would be the lower ones with the spring ring. The other 2, one is a "solid" ring, the other has a shiny step on the edge of it, both have a R on them. From what I've read the letter side goes up, which one is the top ring?
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Re: Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2007, 06:52:27 AM »
Chrome plated ring in top groove
Black ring in second groove
Scraper ring obvious

All rings fitted with any markings facing upwards
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Re: Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2007, 11:38:50 AM »
That would be ok if they were'nt all black rings except the springy one and "obvious" to me is not always the correct way I've found out the hard and expensive way, but thanks anyway.
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Re: Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2007, 01:22:35 PM »
Chrome top ring
Scrapper ring
The one with all the holes in the side goes on the bottom, oil ring

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Re: Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2007, 07:31:39 PM »
I would mount the rods first and fully assemble the main case halves with the complete transmission and cam chain installed. Then put the pistons on, with rings in, once I have the engine right side up. That avoids any damage to the pistons dusing case assembly. Just put one circlip (ALWAYS use new circlips) in each piston, on the side towards the center of the engine. Then line up the pistons and put the pins & 2nd clip in 2 & 3, then 1 & 4.
Remember to gap the rings. This is critical, and purchasing a gap file tool is worthwhile - they don't cost much. It's quite hard to file the ring ends flat and level without the tool.
The two similar rings have different profiles. One is basically flat where it will contact the cylinder wall, the other is bevelled slightly. The flat one is the top or compression ring. The bevelled one is the 2nd or scraper ring, the bevel faces so that it scrapes oil downward. The bevel may be hard to see but if you look at the end with a magnifier it should be visible.
Don't forget the base gasket.
Block 2&3 pistons up with a bit of wood or a screwdriver handle, something softish. Slide the cylinder block down gently onto the pistons, carefully aligning them. There's a conical section at the bottom of the barrels that makes it quite easy to slip the rings into the bore by just working them a bit with your fingers. Once all the 2&3 rings are in remove the wooden block and rotate the crank so that the cylinder block moves down with 2&3 while 1&4 go up into their bores and then work the 1&2 rings in. Then fish the camchain through and slide the cylinder block down all the way onto the locating pins.

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Re: Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2007, 07:56:40 PM »
Thanks Bodi! Just waiting for a new primary chain and the fun begins.
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Cliff.

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Re: Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2007, 08:52:42 PM »
I've used a large hose clamp, the type with a screw to tighten worm gear to compress the rings and install the pistons.
 tighten the clamp around the piston, just below the bottom of the sleeve until it will move but not too much. put the clamps around 2 and 3 pistons, slide a wooden block or something under the pistons to elevate and hold them centered so you can gently tap the cylinders onto the middle pistons. when they are in, remove the clamps and the wood block and put the clamps around one and four.

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Re: Installing rings on pistons - how best to do?
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2007, 05:39:43 PM »
Sorry guys, I didn't know that the "chrome" ring was the black one with the shiny edges.   ::)
Got it straight now. Bodi and hymodyne, good stuff, I have saved it in my project file.
Cheers,
Cliff.