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Re: Fuel stabiliser
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2007, 07:26:25 PM »
Thats a great idea, one of use will put gas in 10 glass jars and add stuff to all but one and in 1 year post the results.  And the thread will read like this

Well thats great.
do you think glass was the best choice?
what if you used Exxon gas?
get a life old man, It is time for you to die.
did you see the boobs on that boob thread?
I need tires any one have a favorite?

Yes it would be worth it, I think your the man for the job.
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Re: Fuel stabiliser
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2007, 07:39:13 PM »
uh.....welcome back ???

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Re: Fuel stabiliser
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2007, 08:17:05 PM »
Thats a great idea, one of use will put gas in 10 glass jars and add stuff to all but one and in 1 year post the results.  And the thread will read like this

Well thats great.
do you think glass was the best choice?
what if you used Exxon gas?
get a life old man, It is time for you to die.
did you see the boobs on that boob thread?
I need tires any one have a favorite?

Yes it would be worth it, I think your the man for the job.

LOL. . .yup, that sounds about right! Also "I use X brand oil, what is your favorite oil?" and  "NO, you can/can't use synthetic oil!"

Probably the reason no one has done the additives test is that its probably akin to watching grass grow as far as excitement level goes? .. . lol.
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Re: Fuel stabiliser
« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2007, 08:43:00 PM »
When I talk about cold, I mean the daily high for weeks never gets above 0 :o
Think deep canada temps where they is no warmer sea breeze.

Thats why I laugh when people talk about riding in the winter. Around here, it dont happen unless by some miracle we do not get crapped on with an ice storm and the temps actually get above 20.

I have this poster and all this time I thought it was you Eldar, on your daily -20f ride down to the lake.  LOL    I can ride until it gets to 30 but after that I stop having a good time.  I don't even ride my snowmobile anymore, but that more because they are boring to me now.
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These wonderful little birds are great flyers, delicious eating, excellent for training your hunting dog, and just fun to shoot,or stuff and keep around the house.  Bobwhites can be put with other types of Quail and have very large penis's.  Quail are very popular with the babes.

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Re: Fuel stabiliser
« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2007, 06:13:50 AM »
I used to do that but you would have to edit the pic a little. As in using an old beat up yamaha enduro and a 13 year old!

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Re: Fuel stabiliser
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2007, 09:40:25 AM »
This is from Chevron:
Oxidation

Except for any added oxygenates, gasoline is made up almost entirely of hydrocarbons–molecules constructed from the building blocks of elemental carbon and hydrogen. Hydrocarbons, as a class, are chemically stable molecules.

However, there are types of hydrocarbons (olefins and diolefins) that can combine slowly with the oxygen in the air ("oxidize") at ambient temperatures. The products of the reaction are larger molecules, collectively called "gum."

The gum-forming reactions become faster as the temperature of the gasoline increases. This is why this bulletin recommends controlling the temperature of stored gasoline.

Most gasolines contain negligible amounts of gum when they are manufactured, and most contain special chemicals ("stabilizers") to retard gum formation. It is the stabilizers that make it possible to store Chevron gasolines for a year when the conditions are good.

Soluble Gum

The gum formed by oxidation is usually soluble in gasoline. However, it remains behind as a sticky residue when the gasoline evaporates. Since gasoline begins to evaporate in the carburetor of a carbureted engine or in the injector of a fuel-injected engine, a gasoline containing soluble gum may leave a deposit on these parts and on the intake valves. These deposits will be in addition to the deposits normally formed by a gum-free gasoline — a formation triggered by the elevated engine temperatures.

Modern engines are designed to run best when vital engine parts are clean. Carburetor and fuel injector deposits can cause hesitation and stumbling on acceleration, lower fuel economy, lower power output, and higher emissions of hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide. Excessive intake valve deposits can cause many of the same performance problems, plus higher emissions of hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, and nitrogen oxides.

Because the Federal Environmental Protection Agency recognizes that fuel system deposits increase emissions, they require all gasolines to contain a deposit-control additive. All deposit-control additives keep deposits from forming; the best ones clean up deposits formed by lower-quality gasolines.

If the gasoline contains a lot of soluble gum, the normal level of deposit-control additive may not be sufficient. This is why Chevron recommends treating a tank of gasoline with an extra dose of deposit-control additive if a vehicle displays driveability problems after being stored. (Note: Chevron does not recommend adding a deposit-control additive to the fuel for a two-stroke-cycle engine.) The gum-forming reactions become faster as the temperature of the gasoline increases.

Insoluble Gum

Severe oxidation of gasoline may produce insoluble, as well as soluble, gum. The insoluble gum will take the form of brown or black particles which float in the gasoline or settle to the bottom of the container.

When an engine is fueled with gasoline containing insoluble gum, the fuel filter will remove the gum. If the engine has an in-tank fuel pump, the screen on the pump's feed also may capture some of the gum. However, these devices can become plugged if the gasoline contains too much insoluble gum. This will cause the engine to lose power or stall because it is starved for fuel. Adding a deposit-control additive will not keep insoluble gum from plugging filters and screens.

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Re: Fuel stabiliser
« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2007, 06:26:40 PM »
GOOD INFO.

I guess the fact I keep everything "full" of gas explains why I never see gumming problems.  AND I have used seafoam every year forever.   Still does not explain why one season of Sta-bil trashed everything I put it in.  Oh yes it did!  It's trash!
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Re: Fuel stabiliser
« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2007, 07:50:13 PM »
 The ethanol content really changes things guys.....I'm telling you. Brown/black residue is a thing of the past with this new fuel. Deposits are fullfyish mustard yellow to light green....not the old shellac.
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Re: Fuel stabiliser
« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2007, 05:44:01 PM »
Well this got me wondering and I have to agree with the last post.  I found an old gas can that had 1 inch of gas in it and it was open to the air for over 2 years.  I poured it into a jar and it was clear, I smelled a tad stale.  I filled the can with CO2 (sorry Al Gore) and cut the bottom out of the can.  Clean as a pin.  What have I learned?  That Fuel stabiliser in PA is a waste of time and money. 

Still does not explain why the one season I used Sta-bil, it trashed everything I put it in.  I can't believe I keep forgetting!  It is trash!
These wonderful little birds are great flyers, delicious eating, excellent for training your hunting dog, and just fun to shoot,or stuff and keep around the house.  Bobwhites can be put with other types of Quail and have very large penis's.  Quail are very popular with the babes.