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Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« on: May 24, 2007, 07:31:56 AM »
I ordered a couple of things from J&P cycle the other day. When I get my invoice/receipt, I see that I was charged sales tax. Since I am in a different state that J&P, I assumed that was a mistake. I get an email from customer service this morning informing me that as of Jan. 1st, Texas requires that I pay sales tax on internet sales even though the seller is out of state.

That sucks!  :-\
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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2007, 07:37:58 AM »
yep.a lot of states are doing it now
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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2007, 10:05:12 AM »
Man if thats all it takes, you better get some good talc for this one.

http://infowars.com/articles/ps/bush_nspd51_gives_bush_dictatorial_power.htm

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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2007, 10:08:01 AM »
Glad I live north of the border!! This isn't an April Fool is it?
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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2007, 10:11:18 AM »
I wish it was. Now that he virtually illegally made this a law, I wonder how long before something happens so he can take control. Once that happens, I would not bet on canada being safe anymore either.

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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2007, 10:58:26 AM »
So then, what would the difference between Cuba and the US be? They both would have a dictator....

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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2007, 03:50:43 PM »
There is no amount of money the government cannot outspend and there is no amount of power they will not seek.

Give the government an inch and they take miles upon miles.

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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2007, 05:13:54 PM »
And the baffled little creep grabs more power whilst we sit bridled by taxes, laws, etc....

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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2007, 05:25:07 PM »
Man if thats all it takes, you better get some good talc for this one.

http://infowars.com/articles/ps/bush_nspd51_gives_bush_dictatorial_power.htm

Given the number of running threads about US federal leadership and policy, could we have a discussion about **states** charging sales tax for internet purchases?  Too late.  Been hijacked.

And oh my, why did I even bother to follow the link?  Did anyone read the directive?  Actually, there's no need to.  The experts wailing about "dictatorial powers" cite this as evidence of conspiracy and doom:

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e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;"

Yup, during a catastrophic emergency the President coordinates a cooperative efforts among the three branches and with proper respect for the separation of powers.  He's president.  Perhaps they should name me to coordinate instead.

The above comes from the definitions. From the first part of policy, we read:
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(3) It is the policy of the United States to maintain a comprehensive and effective continuity capability composed of Continuity of Operations and Continuity of Government programs in order to ensure the preservation of our form of government under the Constitution and the continuing performance of National Essential Functions under all conditions.

The federal government has a policy of keeping disaster plans.  This is good.

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(4) Continuity requirements shall be incorporated into daily operations of all executive departments and agencies. As a result of the asymmetric threat environment, adequate warning of potential emergencies that could pose a significant risk to the homeland might not be available, and therefore all continuity planning shall be based on the assumption that no such warning will be received. Emphasis will be placed upon geographic dispersion of leadership, staff, and infrastructure in order to increase survivability and maintain uninterrupted Government Functions. Risk management principles shall be applied to ensure that appropriate operational readiness decisions are based on the probability of an attack or other incident and its consequences.

...a) Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government;

(b) Providing leadership visible to the Nation and the world and maintaining the trust and confidence of the American people;

(c) Defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and preventing or interdicting attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;

A fine plan, says I.

Our federal government has a disaster plan.  Better still, the feds think it's a good idea to update that plan to account for new realities.  All organizations should have a well maintained and updated disaster plan.  Disaster plans are good.  In my experience I have found most government and corporate disaster plans to be fairly useless because they were written when dinosaurs roamed freely.  Sometime after said dinosaurs became extinct, those organizations ceased to follow stipulated preparation procedures.  When needed, the plan has not been updated since those dinosaurs became oil.  Disaster comes.  Preparation is non-existent.  Plan is out of date.

For those keeping score at home, George Bush did not invent disaster plans.  Remember "Looking Glass?"  If not see Wikipedia.  Were there to be a disaster and no plan to be implemented, whom would we blame?  Well, the local officials in Mississippi squandered all money, time and effort that could have been devoted to preparing for the disaster they eventually received.  Who took the blame?  Again, for those keeping score at home, how many natural disasters -- of same or greater magnitude of Katrina -- required an equal or greater amount of outside support effort?  Preparation and planning in Mississippi would have saved much.

Well-planned and well-maintained disaster plans are not only good, but they are also prudent.  Please read the entire directive.  It's not very long, and it seems to be a fairly well thought out plan -- with many aspects that deal with the nature of current threats.  The directive certainly seems much better than other corporate and government disaster plans I've seen.  Nevertheless, I'll wager -- and I hope I'm wrong -- that the directive itself will largely go unread amongst the discussion here.

Lastly, here's the Cliff Notes answer in response to the breathless question posed as to who decides what is a "catastrophic emergency."  In a matter of dispute, the Supreme Court does.  Always has.

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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2007, 06:08:00 PM »
Thanks, Burmashave.
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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2007, 06:16:10 PM »
Maybe Bush will find a way to get around leaving office........such as a well-timed catastrophe? ::)

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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2007, 07:19:14 PM »
Now Burma it's pretty clear your one of the happy little sheep ;D
Thanks for clarifying that point for us ;)

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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2007, 07:47:42 PM »
Government is intrinsically evil - a nesessary evil since man kind is worse.  The less goverment the better.  Take the test and see where you stand. 

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2007, 08:02:58 PM »
This internet, out of state sales tax has been in the works for years starting under Clinton. Grabbing your money is bipartisan my friends.
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2007, 08:14:17 PM »
This internet, out of state sales tax has been in the works for years starting under Clinton. Grabbing your money is bipartisan my friends.

Which Clinton? It was Hillary, acting in her temporary role as a NY senator that passed the first Internet sales tax, I think.

If you live in NY, every year you pay an additional tax to cover any purchases you made on-line. You can either try to enumerate every single purchase (which you have to do for any single purchase over $1,000 in any case), or just pay a flat percentage of your income.
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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2007, 01:56:31 AM »
Cheer up guys, we've had a dictatorship in the UK since 1997. We can't even breath without some scumbag trying to impose a fine. Blair is going but he's being replaced by another idiot and we the people have no say in the matter.
According to the dictionary, Democracy means some one is elected to represent the views of the people. This means that the UK is not a democracy any more.

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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2007, 02:25:30 AM »
The quick answer to your question is no, governments know no limits.  The attitude these days seems to be if a law or regulation can be put into words, then a legislature or bureaucracy can pass it and make it stick.
 
Here is an interesting book, for those not familiar with it -

"Constitutional Chaos - What Happens When the Government Breaks Its Own Laws" by Judge Andrew P. Napolitano
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2007, 06:33:42 AM »
Burma, what you may have missed is that BUSH decides WHEN this goes into effect and congress has NO say about it. SO even something like a hurricane can be used to enact this. There is NO checks placed on this and THAT is what is bad about it.
A disaster plan is great, this is not a DISASTER plan.

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2007, 08:18:11 AM »
"Constitutional Chaos - What Happens When the Government Breaks Its Own Laws" by Judge Andrew P. Napolitano

Isn't that the same guy who subs for Bill O'Really when he's "on assignment"?
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2007, 01:11:22 PM »
"Constitutional Chaos - What Happens When the Government Breaks Its Own Laws" by Judge Andrew P. Napolitano

Isn't that the same guy who subs for Bill O'Really when he's "on assignment"?

I don't know.  Can't stand to watch Fox "News."  I know he is on Fox sometimes.  Don't let that stop anyone from reading the book, though.  He takes the liberals and the conservatives to task equally.  I was surprised to hear he was on Fox considering what he thinks of John Ashcroft.
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2007, 04:03:37 AM »
Y'all might like to also read, "The Second American Revolution" by John W. Whitehead.
Mr. Whitehead is the founder of the Rutherford Institute and recognized as one of America's top
constitutional lawyers.

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Re: Well, this chaps my ass. Does government know no limits?
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2007, 02:01:18 PM »
Seems to me last time I did my taxes I was only asked to
pay sales taxes on the motorcycle parts I sold in-state (vermont)
not other states.
Maybe I am too small a player?
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