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source for sprockets and chain
« on: May 26, 2007, 03:52:01 AM »
I stopped by the local Honda dealer and figured I'd just get the sprockets and chain set
there. No dice.
Where can I order the sets from? and since it suppose to be better to run a
larger sprocket on the front, stock being 14-43 on the F,
what should I go with to keep basically the stock gearing?

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2007, 05:05:12 AM »
JC Whitney had sprockets and chain for my K3 pretty cheap.

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2007, 05:27:49 AM »
Are you sure that the 14-43 is right?  My manual (and my bike) has 17-48 for the 75-76 F.

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2007, 05:56:25 AM »
Got my JT sprockets from Dennis Kirk.    EK chain from ebay way cheaper than DKs price.

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2007, 06:31:09 AM »
I got about 25000 miles out of my last J.C. Whitney chain and sprockets, but will soon replace them with a O ring chain  and sprockets from Bike Bandit..I probally should of just reordered from Whitney tho.  I got a riveted master link and don't know how to reliably crimp the rivets.

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2007, 06:37:10 AM »
The honda parts said he couldn't get the sprockets, so I figured why
buy the chain when I want the works when I do the chain.

Checked Dennis Kirk and they list the 14 front and 38, 43, 45, 46 and maybe some others
rears in different brands. JT didn't list a front through Dennis Kirk.


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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2007, 06:44:28 AM »
Cycle-re-Cycle has both of the sprockets and chain for your bike.

http://www.crc2onlinecatalog.com/

14 tooth $23.00.  43 tooth $50.00.  630-90 link EK chain $65.00

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2007, 06:49:37 AM »
Hey thanks Gordon. I just got off the bike bandit site.
They list a lot of sprockets and some are for conversion to a 530 chain.
Is this a good idea? Would it be better to change to a 15 on the front
to get longer chain life?

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2007, 05:55:26 AM »
last week i found out my local kawasaki dealer would order anything i wanted for the CB 750 (via parts unlimited i think) ..

i just ordered the 630 EK Chain (non O ring) 88 links for $61 and the Front 15T JT sprocket for $23 and the Rear 41T sprocket for $33  ..  no shipping costs .. 

you may want to check with your local dealerships ..

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 08:11:44 AM »
I just did a 530 conversion using parts from Bike Bandit.  Works well, so far.  I did get a pricey chain, though.

Lots of folks just keep using the 630 chain happily.  No problems with it really, but they're hard to get out here.
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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2007, 08:32:46 AM »
At my local largeish Honda dealer they have a parts desk where the counter guy looks at the fiche and then checks the computer for availability, unsurprisingly my 1970's bike's sprockets are discontinued and unavailable.
Then I walk across to the Accessories counter and the guy there looks in a telephone book sized catalog or two and can get me any sprocket I want. The rear one doesn't have the black flange (chain protector? pants deflector?) on it, but it works fine.
Guy #1 doesn't tell me about how guy #2 can help me, I have to figure that out myself. Maybe the dealership agreement with Honda doesn't allow the parts desk to admit to the existence of non-OEM parts?

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2007, 01:41:23 PM »
just received my 630 chain (EK chain, cheapest non o-ring) and 630 sprockets (JT 15T front and 41T Rear) kit  ..

compared to the new JT sprockets, my old sprockets on the bike were just fine and not worn out at all .. however, the old chain was 1/2 to 3/4 link longer than the new one ..

since i got the el cheapo RK non O ring chain, i installed it without replacing the sprockets ... i dont care if they wear out in the next 15-20 k miles or even less as i could not justify replacing sprockets that were like new .. i might do the whole 530 mod next time around..

I am going to sell the brand new sprockets .. anyone want new in the box JT spockets 15T front ($23) and 41T rear ($33) for your 630 chain ??

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2007, 01:01:36 PM »
Now I'm really pissed. Just waited about 2 weeks for a conversion kit.
530 chain came, and then the sprockets, just went out to do the conversion
since it's raining. The damn sprockets were 630s. Some conversion.

Now I can't find any 530 front sprockets for the Honda, it's as hard to
get parts for as the Ducati.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2007, 01:27:48 PM »
I just did this with my 1977 750F.
Had nothing but trouble from the stealer er dealer and ended up going to dennis kirk and picked up a 14/43 set with an 88 link o-ring chain.
Install was easy and quick without any issues and love it. I may end up dropping back on the rear to a 41 though because over half of my commute to work is freeway and i am sitting at around 5k for most of it. Thinking about dropping it for a little better mileage.


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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2007, 01:35:54 PM »
try www.wemoto.com i,m told thay are good
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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2007, 02:50:09 PM »
i have a set of JT 630 sprockets for sale in the for sale section if you are interesting in keeping your 630 setup .. its a 15T front and 41T rear sprocket .. you will need a 88 link 630 chain for this setup to fit exactly ..

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2007, 03:13:52 PM »
I just popped on 14-43 parts unlimited sprockets/DID 630K chain from dennis kirk on my 78F and it's running well. I think it was 125 total. Approximately 60 more than I was willing to spend :)
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2007, 03:17:41 PM »
I just popped on 14-43 parts unlimited sprockets/DID 630K chain from dennis kirk on my 78F and it's running well. I think it was 125 total. Approximately 60 more than I was willing to spend :)

Whats your apx rpm at 65 with that setup on your '78?
I am sitting at about 5K and wondered if that is  about normal for my '77

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2007, 03:21:23 PM »
I just popped on 14-43 parts unlimited sprockets/DID 630K chain from dennis kirk on my 78F and it's running well. I think it was 125 total. Approximately 60 more than I was willing to spend :)

Whats your apx rpm at 65 with that setup on your '78?
I am sitting at about 5K and wondered if that is  about normal for my '77

That sounds totally normal. I haven't actually done that speed for a good distance for a while (last little sohc meet up here in MN). I know I was at 6k at around 70+, so I assume that is about on the money. I thought about going to a bigger front sprocket, but honestly, I didn't feel like there was enough clearance to do that on the 78F. I think it's pretty snug at stock, so I left it alone. I might try and go to a 530 next time around, but I'm pretty happy with the power placement as it stands.
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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2007, 03:31:51 PM »
I just popped on 14-43 parts unlimited sprockets/DID 630K chain from dennis kirk on my 78F and it's running well. I think it was 125 total. Approximately 60 more than I was willing to spend :)

Whats your apx rpm at 65 with that setup on your '78?
I am sitting at about 5K and wondered if that is  about normal for my '77

That sounds totally normal. I haven't actually done that speed for a good distance for a while (last little sohc meet up here in MN). I know I was at 6k at around 70+, so I assume that is about on the money. I thought about going to a bigger front sprocket, but honestly, I didn't feel like there was enough clearance to do that on the 78F. I think it's pretty snug at stock, so I left it alone. I might try and go to a 530 next time around, but I'm pretty happy with the power placement as it stands.


I agree it's a great gearing for pep. It is a very perky ride with wonderful takeoff and a smooth overall ride. Thanks on the #'s and I have been thinking just because of the gas mileage of trying the K 15/41 but still kinda on the fence

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2007, 03:36:59 PM »
I just popped on 14-43 parts unlimited sprockets/DID 630K chain from dennis kirk on my 78F and it's running well. I think it was 125 total. Approximately 60 more than I was willing to spend :)

Whats your apx rpm at 65 with that setup on your '78?
I am sitting at about 5K and wondered if that is  about normal for my '77

That sounds totally normal. I haven't actually done that speed for a good distance for a while (last little sohc meet up here in MN). I know I was at 6k at around 70+, so I assume that is about on the money. I thought about going to a bigger front sprocket, but honestly, I didn't feel like there was enough clearance to do that on the 78F. I think it's pretty snug at stock, so I left it alone. I might try and go to a 530 next time around, but I'm pretty happy with the power placement as it stands.


I agree it's a great gearing for pep. It is a very perky ride with wonderful takeoff and a smooth overall ride. Thanks on the #'s and I have been thinking just because of the gas mileage of trying the K 15/41 but still kinda on the fence


Well, the way I look at it is every time I get in my car I'm going to spend at least $7-8. That's almost a whole fill up on my 750! My gas mileage rocks no matter what when I choose 2 instead of 4 wheels :):)

BUT- if you do end up going with a larger front sprocket I would love to hear what you think after you do it.
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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2007, 03:44:10 PM »
I just popped on 14-43 parts unlimited sprockets/DID 630K chain from dennis kirk on my 78F and it's running well. I think it was 125 total. Approximately 60 more than I was willing to spend :)

Whats your apx rpm at 65 with that setup on your '78?
I am sitting at about 5K and wondered if that is  about normal for my '77

That sounds totally normal. I haven't actually done that speed for a good distance for a while (last little sohc meet up here in MN). I know I was at 6k at around 70+, so I assume that is about on the money. I thought about going to a bigger front sprocket, but honestly, I didn't feel like there was enough clearance to do that on the 78F. I think it's pretty snug at stock, so I left it alone. I might try and go to a 530 next time around, but I'm pretty happy with the power placement as it stands.


I agree it's a great gearing for pep. It is a very perky ride with wonderful takeoff and a smooth overall ride. Thanks on the #'s and I have been thinking just because of the gas mileage of trying the K 15/41 but still kinda on the fence


Well, the way I look at it is every time I get in my car I'm going to spend at least $7-8. That's almost a whole fill up on my 750! My gas mileage rocks no matter what when I choose 2 instead of 4 wheels :):)

BUT- if you do end up going with a larger front sprocket I would love to hear what you think after you do it.

That may just be a project for this winter, toss on a K set and see how she does.
And i know that one well on the car. My car is a 1999 Tahoe, 12 mpg on a good day.

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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2007, 06:20:09 PM »
Hey Gents, I was really set on converting to a 530 set up. Found that I had a spare 630 Chain on the motor
I have for parts and it was in great shape so I put it on to run till my new sprockets for the 530 conversion get
here.

Rebel gear is making my rear and has a 15 tooth front in stock.....

http://www.rebelgears.com/officialrebelgearshome.html

I was hoping to find a aluminum rear sprocket and since I'll be taking the steel 630 sprockets back
this only cost me about $40 more.

There making me a 46 rear, funny thing with the 530 set up the 46 rear
is smaller in overall diameter than a 630 43 rear.


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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2007, 09:46:48 AM »
you know, since we're sort of on topic...


I think I've tried to 'align' my rear wheel 5 times and I can't ever get to where I feel totally comfortable with it. How anal are you folks with that? I just wish I could ride a perfect example of each of my bikes so I could know what to shoot for. I feel pretty confident about things when I know what I'm shooting for. Now on start off at a stop sign I feel like I'm being pulled a bit to the right and I'm wondering if that is indicative of a misaligned wheel. Those damn marks are NOT scientific enough for me ;)
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2007, 09:54:51 AM »
you know, since we're sort of on topic...


I think I've tried to 'align' my rear wheel 5 times and I can't ever get to where I feel totally comfortable with it. How anal are you folks with that? I just wish I could ride a perfect example of each of my bikes so I could know what to shoot for. I feel pretty confident about things when I know what I'm shooting for. Now on start off at a stop sign I feel like I'm being pulled a bit to the right and I'm wondering if that is indicative of a misaligned wheel. Those damn marks are NOT scientific enough for me ;)


Maybe I didn't do it right but this worked for me and I don't get pull.
I opened the adjuster bolts to the same exact distance from the adjusters.
Adjusted the bolts exactly the same # of turns on both until the right play was in the chain.
Measured the bolts and the distance the wheel was from each side of the rear fork.
Tightened things up and it's been great since.


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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2007, 08:35:16 PM »
you know, since we're sort of on topic...


I think I've tried to 'align' my rear wheel 5 times and I can't ever get to where I feel totally comfortable with it. How anal are you folks with that? I just wish I could ride a perfect example of each of my bikes so I could know what to shoot for. I feel pretty confident about things when I know what I'm shooting for. Now on start off at a stop sign I feel like I'm being pulled a bit to the right and I'm wondering if that is indicative of a misaligned wheel. Those damn marks are NOT scientific enough for me ;)


Maybe I didn't do it right but this worked for me and I don't get pull.
I opened the adjuster bolts to the same exact distance from the adjusters.
Adjusted the bolts exactly the same # of turns on both until the right play was in the chain.
Measured the bolts and the distance the wheel was from each side of the rear fork.
Tightened things up and it's been great since.




I've done that as well. The only thing I haven't done is busted out a straight edge- mostly because I can't remember where I put the darn thing. I took her out today for about 50 miles and I think it's actually OK. I do believe that I lost a wheel balancing weight on my front wheel, though.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2007, 10:14:25 PM »
Hey gang,

I've got a K8, had stock setup (15t front, 41t rear, 630 chain).  I replaced the chain and sprockets about 3 years ago (Feb-2004) with aftermarket parts ordered from the local Honda dealer;  both sprockets were JT - Front was $22, rear was $33, cheap non-O-ring 630 chain was $53.

I didn't take very good care of the chain, hardly ever lubed it - finally got to the point where tightening it was good for about 10 miles, then had to tighten it again...

So I started looking online last week, comparing prices.  Most of the prices were right in line with what it cost for the local shop to order (as mentioned previously in this thread).  However, the folks at the local Honda shop were not real helpful with what I needed this time around, so I headed over to the Yamaha shop.  They were more than happy to help.  Prices were equivalent, and they said they could have the parts in the next day.  Cool!

In reading many posts online here, I had been thinking of the 630 to 530 conversion, and decided to give it a whirl.  The 15/41 630 setup has a 2.73 ratio.  Closest I could get in a 530 was an 18/48 (2.67 ratio).  I was wanting to gear it down a bit to reduce RPM's on the highway, so that sounded good.  Because the front sprockets were only $22, I ordered a 17t and an 18t, along with the 48t rear.  (Was going to get a 46t rear too, but at $40 each, one was enough for now.  Was thinking I could swap out sprockets until I got just the right feel...)  Chain is an RK 530XSO, 110 link.  Had to cut down to 104 links.  (As an aside: the 630 chain I just took off the bike was 86 links.  To show how bad the chain was after 3 years of no lube, after I took it off the bike and measured, it was 64.25 inches long compressed, 66.5 inches long stretched!  Yikes!  Each tooth on the rear sprocket had two points from the chain-wear.)

Before swapping the sprockets/chain, I wanted to compare RPM's at different speeds.  With the 15/41/630 setup, the bike spun in 5th at 70MPH, 5300RPM.  With the 18/48/530 setup, 70 MPH in 5th is at 5200RPM.  In 2nd, the 15/41 would hit 67 at redline (8500), the 18/48 got up to 70MPH at 8500RPM.

So not a whole lot of difference.  I imagine if I put a 46t rear (giving a 2.56 ratio), it would drop me down to about 5000 RPM at 70MPH.  Almost not worth the hassle.

One difference between the 530 chain and the 630 chain was the master link.  The 630 had the clip, the 530 has rivets.  I had to borrow a chain rivet tool from the Suzuki shop (spreading my business around, you know - actually it was a proximity thing...)  I can't say I'm very comfortable with the whole rivet thing - it just didn't feel like it is on tight/right.  I think I'll stop by one of the shops to have it checked tomorrow.  All I can think about now is that link coming loose and wrapping the chain around the tire.

For reference sake, here is the part# info:
Old setup:
JTF331.15T - Front
JTR333.41T - Rear
EK630 - 92 Chain

New setup:
JTF288.18T - Front
JTR284.48T - Rear
530XSOZ1-110RK Chain

The 530 stuff went on without any additional spacers/washers/etc.  All seemed to fit real nice.  The 18t front sprocket was a little bit thicker than the 15t it replaced, but it fit real nice on the drive shaft.

Sorry for the long post - was trying to provide all the info I was looking for over the last few weeks in getting ready for my conversion/replacement.  Hopefully somebody will find the info usefull.

Cheers!

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« Last Edit: July 13, 2007, 02:45:02 PM by Kile »

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2007, 12:35:57 AM »
Kile, thanks for the info. Now you have me wondering if 15-46 in the 530 is good, according to the
ratio charts its the same as 14-43 stock on the F. What is nice is that a 530 sprocket is actually
smaller in diameter than a same tooth 630 sprocket.

Both 14-43 and 15-46 are 3.07

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« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2007, 02:46:43 PM »
Re-reading my prior post, I noticed I was refering to my old sproket setup in places as 15/41, and others as 14/41.  I have edited the post to correctly reference the 15/41 setup.  I never had 14/41 on the bike - it was a typo.  Sorry!

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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2007, 03:58:26 PM »
You guys are going to give me brain damage and my pocketbook a hemorage.
I am now trying to justify changing to the 530 chain to myself even though i just replaced the chain and sprockets with 14/43/88 630's

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« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2007, 06:46:45 PM »
I don't see any immediate benefit of witching to 530 if you've got brand new 630 chain/sprockets. 

One of the other posts indicated that running a 530 setup was going to result in less HP lost due to the 630 chain and sprocket weight.  Mine feels smoother now, but I don't notice any extra oomph.  I'm attributing the smoothness to going from a non-Oring chain with over 2" of slack to a nice new tight O-ring chain.  I imagine I'd have gotten more "kick" if I had gone to a different ratio, but then, I could have done that in 630 as well.  If you're interested in changing the ratios, you'll just have more options in the 530.

If you're interested in making the swap, I'd wait until you need a new chain (or were interested in gearing up/down because you weren't happy with what your current 14/43 was giving you).  Just my opinion...

On another note, I took the chain rivet tool back to the shop and asked them to come look at the Master Link because I wasn't exactly comfortable with my handy-work.  They had a chuckle.  I crimped the link too hard.  The rivets looked ok, but one of the rubber O-rings was squished and sticking out beyond where it should have been.  Fortunately, they had clip-style master links for the chain I bought.  I'll be taking the rivetted one off and replacing it tonight.

If you're going to change from the 630 to the 530, be aware that many (most?) of the 530 chains come with the rivet masterlink.  You'll need a rivet tool, or order the clip-style masterlink when you buy the chain.

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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2007, 09:15:48 PM »
You guys are going to give me brain damage and my pocketbook a hemorage.
I am now trying to justify changing to the 530 chain to myself even though i just replaced the chain and sprockets with 14/43/88 630's

Sometimes you feel like a nut ...... sometimes you Are

I am in the same boat as you as I cruise around 70 as well in my 77F... I cruise with other bikes of the same area, diff brands, and they aren't turning quite as high R's as me.

If you read about the guy who switched from our gear ratio to what essentially would be the 15 41 set up he said it made about a 200 rpm difference. I could see that because going from a 2.73 in a mustang to a 3.08 isn't anything substantial as far as feel.
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Re: source for sprockets and chain
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2007, 03:12:54 AM »
Thanks for posting your experiences Kile - I've added them to the Chain FAQ.
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