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How About A Honda CR72?
« on: May 27, 2007, 01:19:47 PM »
I'd like to have posted the whole page but, I don't know how yet. I'm just glad I can at least post the picture and a link to the rest. ;)       Later on, Bill :) ;)





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Re: How About A Honda CR72?
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2007, 01:55:06 PM »
CB77 with a CB450 head ;D A mate of mine built one over here, don't know what happened to it.

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Re: How About A Honda CR72?
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2007, 02:12:13 PM »


         Okay Sam,

               About this deal of putting a a CB450 on a CB77 motor! :o Can you tell me any more? I'll bet there is some pretty good work to accomplish that! I'm looking for any kind of ideas that are possible to do to a CB77, with out breaking the bank. ;D I've already got some basic info from a fellow who put a set of CB450 carbs on a CB77 motor and they worked quite well too.

                                                        Later on, Bill :) ;)
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Re: How About A Honda CR72?
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2007, 02:32:03 PM »
Ya talking lotsa money, loads of machineing Bill.

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Re: How About A Honda CR72?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2007, 04:17:53 PM »
Ya talking lotsa money, loads of machineing Bill.

Sam. ;)

            Might know it Sam. :-\  Oh well, it was a dream, even if it was a very short one. ::) I'm still going for the 450 carb deal though.
 
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Re: How About A Honda CR72?
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2007, 08:07:09 PM »
Glad you liked my little CR72 replica project. The bike in the picture used a Suzuki GS400 top end. That matched up with the crank centers on the CB72 crank. The total displacement ended up at 346cc.

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Re: How About A Honda CR72?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2007, 10:38:11 PM »
Glad you liked my little CR72 replica project. The bike in the picture used a Suzuki GS400 top end. That matched up with the crank centers on the CB72 crank. The total displacement ended up at 346cc.

           Ellis,
                  You've sure got some fine quality machines. I've got a 63' Cb77 that I hope to do a build on (it's in bad shape and a previous owner put a CA motor in it). I'm hoping to correct that and build it up somewhat. It'll never be as nice as yours though. ;) 8) Nice to have you on hand to provide the info too! 8)

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Re: How About A Honda CR72?
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2007, 07:05:09 PM »
Thanks for the kind words. For anyone that's intrested in trying the conversion it is a bit involved but mostly straight forward. The cylinder centers match up with the crank centerline of the CB77 so that made it possible to use the Suzuki GS400 top end. To get the through bolts to line up, the original through studs were removed and the holes closed with TIG weld. New holes were drilled and tapped after the upper crank case was milled out to allow the cylinder liner to pass through. New oil channels were milled into
the upper case to allow the use of the stud area to oil the top end as originally intended. The piston pins were reamed out to suit the Suzuki 16mm pins as opposed to the Honda's 15mm ones. A custom cam chain was created from bulk heavy duty 219 chain. The tensioner was converted from an automatic tensioner to a manual one to insure that the chain was properly tensioned. The top end was assembled as per normal. The breather at the top of the cam chain tunnel was blocked off. The CR72 style tower was put on the upper engine case and a gasket surface was machined into the case to suit. The transmission is a Nova 5 speed item with a lengthened mainshaft to accomodate the dry clutch assembly. The dry clutch is a combination of Yamaha TZ and Honda clutch parts. Ignition is handled by a Pertronics electronic ignition and the alternator is the stock item. Seat and tank are genuine CR parts. The hubs are also some genuine CR items. Rims are a pair of DID alloy rims from the '60s originally sold for the CR93.  The CR seat and tank mount differently than the CB77 parts so new mounts were made up. The old ones removed and the new ones welded on. A CR petcock is fitted to the tank. As a CR item it has no reserve, so attention has to be paid to how far you've traveled, else you'll find yourself pushing the bike home. Carburation is by a pair of genuine CR carbs which are sand-cast magnesium items. The instruments are slightly modified Honda units. The speedo part is stone stock. The tachometer was recalibrated from the Honda 20:1 to the Suzuki 4:1 and then the whole bit put back together. The electric starter was retained, but when this picture was taken, I hadn't yet fitted the cover over the drive chain.

Ellis

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Re: How About A Honda CR72?
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2007, 09:00:21 PM »


       Ellis,

           I am flabbergasted! There is so much detail to that motor! 8) And yet, the motor itself is possible to build! Now the Nova 5sp is another matter. I do have it, from a respectable source, that there is a Honda 5sp trans that will bolt right into the CB77 case. I'm kinda keeping that model of the trans to myself. I am having a little problem finding one an for a reasonable price too. I don't know if I can do one of those Suzuki/Honda conversions or not but, it's certainly tempting though. I'm going to have to do some serious contemplating on that one. That motor is so cool! ;) 8) Thanks for such a detailed response on the building of that motor. Take care.

                                                           Later on, Bill :) ;) 
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Re: How About A Honda CR72?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2007, 09:00:11 AM »
Bill,
I'll date myself by saying that the NOVA transmission I have is one of the first. I got them to do up a longer than standard mainshaft to suit the dry clutch installation.  Although nearly impossible to find there was a Honda CYB 5 speed too. The CYB parts were OK for a standard 305 displacement, but the gears were narrow to fit in the cases and were somewhat weak. I've also seen a 6 speed packed into those cases as well. That is a VERY tight fit.

Ellis