Author Topic: How do you deal with cars trying to kill motorcycles? (Read 4313 times)

74cb750 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 07, 2007, 05:57:38 PM »

Well out here in the boondocks, you might say, the problems are a bit
different.
Today, I had 2 different drivers stop dead! in the middle of the road. No directionals
nothing. Just to gaze at something.
I imagine conversations in the tourist cars:
"Uhm, let's see dear. Would you like to stop at that quaint store?"
or
"Isn't that a field? Oh Look! a farmer! Maybe you should get out and take a picture."

This happened, even though I had my high beams on.

One thing I learned is to never go around these people, because you never know
if they are going to suddenly accellerate left, right or straight.
peace,
michel

pyro139 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 07, 2007, 08:11:36 PM »

Quote from: 74cb750 on June 07, 2007, 05:57:38 PM

Well out here in the boondocks, you might say, the problems are a bit
different.
Today, I had 2 different drivers stop dead! in the middle of the road. No directionals
nothing. Just to gaze at something.
I imagine conversations in the tourist cars:
"Uhm, let's see dear. Would you like to stop at that quaint store?"
or
"Isn't that a field? Oh Look! a farmer! Maybe you should get out and take a picture."

This happened, even though I had my high beams on.

One thing I learned is to never go around these people, because you never know
if they are going to suddenly accellerate left, right or straight.
peace,
michel

that why need one of these

if they stop in road fire a round.

techy5025 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 07, 2007, 10:23:20 PM »

The two situations that I most remember as the "closest calls" both involved cagers that made abrupt and unsignaled lane changes. One guy signaled to pull left into the left turn "middle" lane. Then as I passed him must have decided that he was at the wrong place and...with no signals...moved back into the left travel lane. Had to take the right lane quickly...fortunately there were no cars there. The other situation was similar except it was ducking in and then back out of a right turn lane.

My flight instructor always told me to plan your maneuvers and always have an "out". People commit to maneuvers in cars with too little time to consider all the consequences.....and look for traffic.

Jim

pyro139 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 08, 2007, 05:48:41 PM »

Quote from: techy5025 on June 07, 2007, 10:23:20 PM

The two situations that I most remember as the "closest calls" both involved cagers that made abrupt and unsignaled lane changes. One guy signaled to pull left into the left turn "middle" lane. Then as I passed him must have decided that he was at the wrong place and...with no signals...moved back into the left travel lane. Had to take the right lane quickly...fortunately there were no cars there. The other situation was similar except it was ducking in and then back out of a right turn lane.

My flight instructor always told me to plan your maneuvers and always have an "out". People commit to maneuvers in cars with too little time to consider all the consequences.....and look for traffic.
Jim

but if they look for trafic theyd miss part of dvd they watching

DarkRider · « **Reply #29 on:** June 09, 2007, 09:29:04 AM »

Or miss their cell phone conversation....

Had another close call last night this time i was in my cage. went to pass a large Ford superduty (not sure if it was an F250 or an F350 single rear axle). Either way just as im half way past him he decides to change lanes and came within inches of taking out the front end of my car. Im just glad that my reflexes are as quick as they are from ridng. i managed to avoid the collision back off..pull to the left side of the truck at the intersection and yell at him about looking in his mirrors...of course he goes uh what? i yell at him again then he has the nerve to call me an idiot...i cringe to think what may have happened had i been on the bike at the time...

bobsmith · « **Reply #30 on:** June 13, 2007, 07:21:50 AM »

I'm certain we've all thought about following the idiot and raising hell, but that may lead to a ass kicking or problems with the police....Ive even given thought to carrying a bag of 2" washers to flop back at tailgaiters.....but in reality, we just have to practice 100% concentration and avoid any potential murderer with cellphones growing from their ears

oldfordguy · « **Reply #31 on:** June 13, 2007, 10:15:04 AM »

Some of those 1" or so diameter glass decorative marbles that they use in flower vases fit easily into a jacket pocket, and are quite effective for tailgaiters, and as far as the ass kicking goes, thats what CCW permits are to prevent.

nickjtc · « **Reply #32 on:** June 13, 2007, 02:59:09 PM »

Quote from: oldfordguy on June 13, 2007, 10:15:04 AM

Some of those 1" or so diameter glass decorative marbles that they use in flower vases fit easily into a jacket pocket, and are quite effective for tailgaiters, and as far as the ass kicking goes, thats what CCW permits are to prevent.

What happens if you miss and hit an innocent bystander??

DarkRider · « **Reply #33 on:** June 13, 2007, 07:57:41 PM »

Im convinced there are people out there with the intent to kill bikers.....just had a very freakin close call....

CrisPDuk · « **Reply #34 on:** June 13, 2007, 09:38:59 PM »

You want to try living and driving/riding in Bangkok for a week

Drivers don't need to try killing bikers over here, they're doing a pretty good job of it all by themselves

On my way into work this morning in my trusty Hilux, a scooter comes bombing up my left hand side (we drive on the left over here), and proceeds to attempt to turn right bfore he's fully past me, luckily for him he stayed on the bike after smacking my front wing with his saddle or I would have run him over

I can only assume that he was working on the - mistaken - belief that I'd slow down or stop once he was alongside

When I ride over here, I always wear MX style limb & body protection, it's definitely needed during filtering manuouvres, but I almost never wear a crash helmet. I believe those extra few seconds of awareness that unrestricted vision and hearing gives you, are too important.

gregimotis · « **Reply #35 on:** June 14, 2007, 09:32:50 AM »

Holy Crap, you ride a moto in Bangkok?!?!

Somebody send this guy over to collect those tires, 'cause he's got the biggest balls on this forum.

oldfordguy · « **Reply #36 on:** June 14, 2007, 10:38:32 AM »

Quote from: nickjtc on June 13, 2007, 02:59:09 PM

What happens if you miss and hit an innocent bystander??

Gee, I don't know. Less burden on society from a useless eater that won't take responsibility for their own & their family's safety, and expect the government to protect and care for them from cradle to grave? Give me a break. I have yet to see a single instance of a CCW permit holder "missing and hitting an innocent bystander." That's because most of us who carry take it very seriously, practice much more than the police (and are much more accurate), and don't go out looking for trouble like the police (it's their job.) Also, very few confrontations would escalate into actually firing the weapon, as even your average cave man realizes the disadvantage of bringing their fists to a gunfight. Don't get me wrong, firearms are not for threatening or scaring people with, they are for effectively stopping a threat to life or limb. However, if an assailant changes his mind upon seeing the weapon, prudence would keep one from firing, as there was no longer a threat to stop.

Cvillechopper · « **Reply #37 on:** June 14, 2007, 11:11:37 AM »

And I thought he was talking about the marble....

TwoTired · « **Reply #38 on:** June 14, 2007, 05:00:07 PM »

During my early pilot training, I stumbled onto a periodical called "Safety Factors". One article discussed a study of how people look or find things using vision. If a pilot was told the type of airplane to look for in the surrounding sky (high wing or low wing, for example), he was far more likely to find and see it than if he was simply told another plane was out there.

The same is true for drivers of cars and it explains why many drivers have made eye contact with me then changed into my lane and then claimed to have not seen me when confronted. They looked into the lane to see if there was a car or truck. Having found no pattern match, it was assumed the lane was clear simply because a motorcycle wasn't on their search pattern list.

This knowledge has saved me from injury more than a few times, even from other motorcycle riders who didn't see me simply because they weren't looking for another motorcycle, only the more prevalent car or truck.

It is my job while driving to stay out of the way of other drivers. It is a human factor that allows them to not see what they aren't looking for.

Cheers,

333 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 14, 2007, 05:18:17 PM »

Quote from: OutlawZ24 on June 13, 2007, 07:57:41 PM

Im convinced there are people out there with the intent to kill bikers.....just had a very freakin close call....

In some cases , they are. You may know the name Mike Corbin (Corbin Seats). About 20 years ago he was riding his BMW to work and someone that had not taken his meds that morning entered the highway behind Mike. Believing Mike was out to get him, he ran Mike off the road. Almost killed him.

This happened when I was just starting in the M/C business. I'll never forget the story.

CrisPDuk · « **Reply #40 on:** June 14, 2007, 10:01:44 PM »

Quote from: gregimotis on June 14, 2007, 09:32:50 AM

Holy Crap, you ride a moto in Bangkok?!?!

Somebody send this guy over to collect those tires, 'cause he's got the biggest balls on this forum.

It's not really that big a deal once you've adjusted yourself to the Thai mindset

All they are bothered about is getting where they are going, they have very little awareness of what else is going on around them, however their actions do telegraph their intentions pretty clearly, so as long as you keep your wits about it's actually pretty easy

Besides, as a good friend who competes in downhill MTB events once told me, it's not how big your balls are that counts, it's how limited your imagination is that matters

techy5025 · « **Reply #41 on:** June 15, 2007, 09:36:18 PM »

This is why I would never ride a bike in BKK. Phuket and Chaing Mai maybe. The bikes outnumber the cars in BKK by at least two to one.

Saw several of these crashes on my last trip...two at this same place. This guy was very lucky as he tried to outsmart a bus!

Jim

pyro139 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 16, 2007, 10:11:45 AM »

there was a case here in toronto several years back, a cager in a hummer(i think cut off 5 teenagers on bikes, they where pissed so rode past the cage and kicked off his mirror, this was on a raised highway, the cager chased down and ran all 5 off the road killing every one and this wasnt road rage this was just a lunatic since road rage is temporary and this guy took about 40 minutes to chase down each one, first two he pinned them against gaurd rail sending them 100feet to there death on road below, at trial he said that all motorcyclkists need to be killed cause they endager lives.

DJ_AX · « **Reply #43 on:** September 04, 2007, 02:26:30 PM »

damn.. seemed like the thread just STOPPED after that last post.

I expect everyone on the road to cut me off...

and ride around that

mattcb350f · « **Reply #44 on:** September 04, 2007, 02:38:19 PM »

How did a Hummer catch five bikes. Sad and horrifying story but I just can't picture it. Hummers by any stretch of the imagination are pathetic highway vehicles compared to even small bikes.
When did this happen, I live just south of Barrie.

scootskate · « **Reply #45 on:** September 04, 2007, 06:00:51 PM »

I just started taking my bike on busy streets. I never realized how bad and inattentive most people drive. I feel that the penalties for blatantly causing accidents are far too lenient.

DarkRider · « **Reply #46 on:** September 04, 2007, 06:26:08 PM »

Its discussions like this that further prove my statement when it comes to cagers...Sure i was one at one point...one who took the time to understand how his car handles in different situations and modified accordingly...between the bit of street racing i used to do when i was younger and the track sessions i got with autocross cars it over all enhanced my driving skills...mostly because my mind processes the situation around me faster then someone who has zero racing experience (aka a typical cager) But over all im convinced that all new drivers should have some sort of track experience...makes their reflexes that much faster. Same logic really for a rider starting off with a dirtbike then moving to a street bike. their reflexes are faster from being offroad. Its experience in the car and on the bikes that have saved my backside a few times...Many a time i will find myself saving a bad situation on the bike by using dirtbike tatics...case in point...a couple months ago i had a close call with a car just flyin out of an intersection it was only halfway through it and didnt see me already traveling the road at road speed till i was almost on top of him...dirt logic kicked in..i was on the front brake..tapping it till the front tire lightly skidded then tapping my right foot to the pavement as i leaned it to that side...sure..i paid for it by a strained knee from my boot grabbing...but i would rather that and be able to walk after then being sent flyin over a cars hood and wind up unable to walk away.

fuzzybutt · « **Reply #47 on:** September 04, 2007, 07:38:20 PM »

last time it happened to me i ripped the side mirror off a ladys bmw x-5. i bet she pays attention when she drives now.

dustyc · « **Reply #48 on:** September 05, 2007, 12:29:16 AM »

How do I deal with cars trying to kill motorcycles?

Pay attention, try to anticipate who will do what, react by slowing down, speeding up, changing lanes, -generally avoiding the idiots as much as possible.

What would I like to do to cars that try to kill motorcyles when one has just caused my adrenaline to pump and really pissed me off?

Follow them home and slash their tires.
Crowbar through the windshield.
Boot to the door at the next red light.
Make them eat that cell phone.

I wish our whole society would just slow the #$%* down. Most of the people I see coming off of side streets don't even stop if there isn't traffic coming. They make a quick glance and roll on through. There's no sense in rambling about all the different things I see. What really irritates me is that the same people who are in such a hurry are the same ones that hold up the line at the gas station assing around. I feel like saying if you'd quit being such a putz in every other aspect of your life, you wouldn't have to be such a reckless driver.

Quote from: TwoTired on June 14, 2007, 05:00:07 PM

During my early pilot training, I stumbled onto a periodical called "Safety Factors". One article discussed a study of how people look or find things using vision. If a pilot was told the type of airplane to look for in the surrounding sky (high wing or low wing, for example), he was far more likely to find and see it than if he was simply told another plane was out there.

The same is true for drivers of cars and it explains why many drivers have made eye contact with me then changed into my lane and then claimed to have not seen me when confronted. They looked into the lane to see if there was a car or truck. Having found no pattern match, it was assumed the lane was clear simply because a motorcycle wasn't on their search pattern list.

This knowledge has saved me from injury more than a few times, even from other motorcycle riders who didn't see me simply because they weren't looking for another motorcycle, only the more prevalent car or truck.

It is my job while driving to stay out of the way of other drivers. It is a human factor that allows them to not see what they aren't looking for.

Cheers,

That's really interesting TT. Makes perfect sense.

Mike the bike · « **Reply #49 on:** September 05, 2007, 02:29:48 AM »

I was riding to work one Saturday morning. As I was overtaking a car full of holidaymakers (Husband driving, wife, 2.4 kids, buckets & spades...) the driver done a massive greeny out the window. The snot caught the slipstream and landed on my chest. It was only after he did this that he bothered to look in his mirror and he then did the worst thing possible; he started laughing!
I stopped by the side of the road and removed the snot with handfuls of grass and then thought about payback.
I opened a banana that I was saving for my dinner and filled my mouth with it. Started the bike and caught up with the bloke, munching the banana as a went. I drew level with his open window, turned my head and sprayed him and his wife with banana puree.
It still puts a smile on my face 20 years later

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Author Topic: How do you deal with cars trying to kill motorcycles? (Read 4313 times)

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