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Offline needswork

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Main fluse blowing- fixed?
« on: April 14, 2007, 08:58:02 AM »
A couple of weeks ago (on a beautiful day) my co-pilot (13 yr. old daughter) begged me to take her for a ride. Being the good father that I am I obliged  ;). On the way home on the highway I had a chance to "open her up" and everything died  :'( Turns out the main fuse had blown. I put a spare in and we were on our way again. The next time I got heavy on the throttle again, I blew the fuse again.  >:( I was out of spares, we walked ot Walmart (helmets in hand), bought some fuses - popped one in and drove home (easy on the throttle). I did some research (here of course) that night. The next day I removed the battery- cleaned every terminal/connection I could get at. We got snow and all kinds of crappy weather and this morning I took the bike out for a test drive...lots of throttle lots of rpms  ;D No problems.
However, it was a short ride so I'll see the next time I go for a long ride- spare fuses in pocket.  So, was the problem a bad ground/connection somewhere or were the fuses just old?
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Re: Main fluse blowing- fixed?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2007, 12:03:00 PM »
From your description, I'd say your fuse clips have surface oxidation.  If your fuse was melting near the end caps, then it is a certainty.
You must use the correct length 1 inch fuses.  Longer ones will not have enough surface contact and your problem will recur.

Clean and polish you fuse clips.  Also test for clip spring tension on the fuse.  It should be difficult to remove.  You should not be able to remove it with your bare fingers.  A tool should be required.

Fuses melt from the heat generated by passing too much current.  But, it is the heat that melts them.  When operating, they heat to some degree, but stay below the melting point, and only overheat when too much current is passed through them.  From an overcurrent, they almost always melt in the middle of their span.  External applied heat will also melt the fuse element.  If the heat is being conducted in from the end clips they will overheat and melt near the end caps.

Clean fuse clips.  Check clip spring tension.  Use correct length fuses.

A headlight upgrade mod is also a common issue.  A higher wattage headlight draws extra power through the main fuse, which raises its operating temp and makes it more susceptible to melting from external heat injection.  Does your headlight have the stock wattage?

FYI.  The stock bike draws about 10 amps through the main fuse, or about 2/3 of its rating.  It will be warm when you put your thumb on it, but, it won't hurt.  It will be warmer when you rev the bike after the battery is fully charged.  Why?
The resistive elements in your lighting and bike electrics all draw more power as the system voltage rises. 

After you start your bike, the battery voltage is low, perhaps 12.4V.  But, when the bike is running, it is trying to get the battery back to 14.5 V fully charged state.  It will do this when the engine has been run above 2000 RPM long enough.
If the bike draws 9 Amps @ 12.4 V, it will draw nearly 11 A when the battery reaches its 14.5 V.  If the headlight has been upgraded to a 55/65 for example, the current peak through the main fuse can increase by 2 amps for a total of 13A through a 15A fuse.  It won't take much external heating to melt the fuse element with this kind of load placed upon it.  The problem will get worse when other electrical changes are made to turn signal bulbs, lower ohms coils, etc.  Lastly, their are a lot of connectors in the bikes wiring, that become more resistive with age.  If your fuse clip terminals have the surface corrosion, it is highly likely that the rest of the connectors are also oxidized.  Oxidation = Resistance = power wasted as heat= extra current drawn through the main fuse = poof.

One more thing.  If the Vreg contacts are stuck, or the Vreg adjustment has been tampered with, long drives can make the battery voltage go well above 14.5 V.  17V is not unheard of, and quite bad for the battery.  It is not inconceivable that such a voltage could draw nearly 14 Amps through the main fuse with with the stock electrical loads.  Add any fuse clip heating, and bike vibration, and bye-bye fuse.

So, how's your charging system?

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Re: Main fluse blowing- fixed?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2007, 05:40:02 PM »

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Re: Main fluse blowing- fixed?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2007, 07:26:42 PM »
two-tired- I think my bike is stock as far as electrical things go. I had read here about the fuse holder and did the same things you suggested (mine his bolted to the bike frame btw). The fuse holder was in pretty good shape but NOT pristine. I could see a tiny bit of oxidation starting but I don't think it's enough to cause the problem (I could be wrong of course). The fuses had broken in the middle. Anyhow, I did clean it up and tighten the clips. I'll be keeping an eyeball on the fuse holder. I haven't tested the charging system- it seems to work fine as do all the electrical items (except for the right turn signal indicator that I can't resolve). I normally drive with the high beam on (make sure those fools see me coming  ;) )
There's more cold/crappy weather coming in tomorrow for another week  >:( (we had a snow storm last Monday) so I won't be  taking a long drive for a while I don't think.

liaudio- I saw your trick before- pretty cool  8)- if my fuse holder gets funky I think I'll be doing the same.

Thanks guys,

Paul
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Re: Main fluse blowing- fixed?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 03:10:54 AM »
Broken in the middle is normally over current (short?) and if it happened when you went full throttle i would check the wiring anywhere the throttle cables are plus possibly in the RH switch unit
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Re: Main fluse blowing- fixed?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 12:04:40 PM »
When I first got my bike, I kept blowing fuses until I put a 20 amp fuse in! No fires yet, but since then, I've found A TON of shorts...it's just taken a while to work through them...what amperage is the main fuse supposed to be anyway?
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Re: Main fluse blowing- fixed?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2007, 07:20:37 AM »

The main fuse is 15A (at least in my '76 CB750F).