Author Topic: Hey Heff, where's the July nominations thread then? EDIT: HERE IT IS!!! (Read 11850 times)

RRRToolSolutions · « **Reply #25 on:** June 12, 2007, 06:14:53 PM »

Strong, rough? I'm an old fart that's turning 50 next year. We have our deep-rooted opinions you know.

I will generalize a little more by saying I think this cafe trend is more from the younger set. Me, I grew up in the late 60 and early 70's dreaming of owning one of the many bikes I'd see in the pages of magazines and in dealer showrooms. I ate, drank, lived for reading the new issue of Cycle World and any other magazine I could scape up change to buy. These bikes were the absolute "holy grails" of my dreams. I liked their flashy paint schemes, badges, and chrome. I liked their factory given character in almost every way and still do to this day.

This is a place to express my vote or preference for one bike or the other. I did that and will always prefer the bikes the way they were, so to speak. I'm sorry and didn't mean to offend. Please don't expect me to like or vote for bikes cut-up and changed beyond recognition. It's that recognition and history which moves my soul and keeps me into vintage bikes.

Ever thought of taking a poll? I wonder how many vintage Honda or Yamaha cafe owners today are under 40 years of age. I would guess most. I think you'll find that those of us that grew up on these and had them in our dreams would be a lot less likely to take a grinder to one and bolt-on plastic parts. Again, I think it's more about what you hold "dear".

Sam, I love the CR by the way and am reminded of the pages those bikes filled in the race sections of each monthly issue.

Thanks for the feedback.

Gordon

bill440cars · « **Reply #26 on:** June 12, 2007, 07:46:13 PM »

My take on the deal, is this: (and I've got several that fit both categories BTW)

If I've got a bike that is pretty much all there and could be restored (or close to it), I'll go for
it. If I can't afford to restore it, I might consider putting it up for sale. Of course you can't
control what the buyer might do to it though. So, what do ya do?

If you've got a bike that's pretty ragged and would be pretty costly to restore, then you
could either build a custom or cafe it. Plus there are some who take off stock parts, put them
aside and build the bike w/ the capability of putting it back stock, if they wanted to.

You see, I've got 3 74' 450 bikes (2-CBs & 1-CL) 1-CB isn't really what I'd call resto material,
while the other CB and the CL are pretty close and I'll try to bring them close to it.

I've also got a 73' CB500K that is pretty close to reso material in my opinion and I'm gonna
try to do it.

Later on, Bill

CrisPDuk · « **Reply #27 on:** June 12, 2007, 08:39:56 PM »

Hold on a minute, shouldn't this discussion be in another thread

I'm sure Heff's told us off for side-tracking the nomination threads before $:-\$

PS: Yes I know I'm as bad as everyone else

heffay · « **Reply #28 on:** June 12, 2007, 08:50:16 PM »

actually, i was just enthralled by the conversation.

i think a good cafe picks up where honda or yam or trisuki left off...

CrisPDuk · « **Reply #29 on:** June 12, 2007, 09:55:06 PM »

In that case I'll just add to Bill's point with this:

We should all just be happy and thankful these old bikes are in still use, on the road, and giving enjoyment to whoever owns them, whether they be mint or ratty, stock or cafed

Peace and love brothers, peace and love

nickjtc · « **Reply #30 on:** June 12, 2007, 10:29:49 PM »

Quote from: super pasty white guy on June 12, 2007, 03:46:46 AM

Perhaps I've missed it... but I nominate Sam and Chris's CR750.

Cor, look at that bike. Yummy.

bill440cars · « **Reply #31 on:** June 13, 2007, 04:50:50 AM »

I figure that, a modified bike is kinda like an owner's signature, ya know. While I DO appreciate a fully restored bike, I also enjoy seeing the ingenuity and craftsmanship that is displayed on these forums.

Later on, Bill

xtalon · « **Reply #32 on:** June 13, 2007, 06:52:34 AM »

Quote from: Ilbikes on June 12, 2007, 06:14:53 PM

Strong, rough? I'm an old fart that's turning 50 next year. We have our deep-rooted opinions you know.

I will generalize a little more by saying I think this cafe trend is more from the younger set.

I tend to agree Gordon, but again, not always the case. I'm not too far behind you. Turned 41 this year.

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Me, I grew up in the late 60 and early 70's dreaming of owning one of the many bikes I'd see in the pages of magazines and in dealer showrooms. I ate, drank, lived for reading the new issue of Cycle World and any other magazine I could scape up change to buy. These bikes were the absolute "holy grails" of my dreams. I liked their flashy paint schemes, badges, and chrome. I liked their factory given character in almost every way and still do to this day.

Thanks for that. I always enjoy hearing how people first got into motorcycling. We are not too different in this respect. I remember going to bed at night when I was around 6 years old with a fold up Honda sales brouchure for a blue CL450 Scrambler. This was probably early to mid 70's, but then something happened. In the late 70's or early 80's, I saw 500cc GP bikes blasting around the high banks of Daytona on ABC Sports or something similar. Roberts, Spencer and others dragging their knees through the corners. It looked unreal and I was hooked!

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This is a place to express my vote or preference for one bike or the other. I did that and will always prefer the bikes the way they were, so to speak. I'm sorry and didn't mean to offend. Please don't expect me to like or vote for bikes cut-up and changed beyond recognition. It's that recognition and history which moves my soul and keeps me into vintage bikes.

I have absoultely no problems with opinions unless they are vicious and yours certainly wasn't. If people hate cafes, that is fine and I can even understand. It was just the generalizations of the owners of such bikes that rubs the wrong way. It's like saying because I am white, I can't dance and have a small penis... of which, only one is true.

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Ever thought of taking a poll? I wonder how many vintage Honda or Yamaha cafe owners today are under 40 years of age. I would guess most. I think you'll find that those of us that grew up on these and had them in our dreams would be a lot less likely to take a grinder to one and bolt-on plastic parts. Again, I think it's more about what you hold "dear".

Gordon

An excellent idea! I'll see if I can figure out how to create a poll if someone hasn't already. I'm sure your 'cafe/younger set' generalization will prove more true than false, but I bet you will be surprised too.

--xTalon

Edit: Here's the poll I created -- http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=22894.0

6pkrunner · « **Reply #33 on:** June 13, 2007, 11:14:55 AM »

Guess I'm a slightly older pharte than some - 55 this year. When these bikes were new I couldn't stand to see a stock version. At that time when a fresh one was as close as the dealer's showroom, a stocker showed no individualism from the owner. For us, they remained stock only as long as the warranty was valid. Action Fours, Pops Yoshimura, and later Russ Collins all had catalogs begging to be ordered from.

Fast forward to today and for me, to see them as they were on the showroom floor now takes me back to those days just like a time machine. But this is just my take on it. I can well appreciate the time, effort,money and labor of love that is put into all versions of the bikes.

RRRToolSolutions · « **Reply #34 on:** June 13, 2007, 07:34:14 PM »

May I suggest one other pole asking for the age groups who would never own one and feel the factory appearance is a major factor in their intrest of a particular vintage bike?

6pk, xtalon, others - thanks for cutting me some slack. I do and did get "too" emotional in my initial post. I should keep my negatives to myself - I just hate seeing these things cut-up beyond recognition. It's a obsession on my part, I admit. I should add that I am so obsessed with vintage bikes that I am and have been a VJMC member for many years and am today the SC state rep for our national club. We are active and work to preserve the history and restoration of these vintage bikes.

I assure you I eat/sleep/live for stock colors and appearances. I do like "period correct" racks, headers, chambers if they were part of their history. As you see in my green H2 drag on the left, I have no problem making swingarms, adding old-style clubmans, and custom seat over the stock pan, chambers, and an old Dunstall looking fairing to an old classic. You can bet your house that I never touched the frame and the original pieces are all powdercoated and stored safely away for return to original if desired one day. I have 2 other completely stock ones and I wanted to taste a heavily modified Mach IV. The Honda CB was the same way - I did not want stock performance, but my heart couldn't touch Honda's original appearance.

The words of an old, opinionated, fart --

Gordon

CrisPDuk · « **Reply #35 on:** June 13, 2007, 08:46:33 PM »

Quote from: Ilbikes on June 13, 2007, 07:34:14 PM

Wow

Are they all your bikes Gordon

If they are I'm so envious it's untrue $:-\$

Do you mind if I use you as an example of a typical bike owner for MrsD

PS: For the record, my own CB is on the way to being mildly cafed, because I like the look, but there's no way I'm carving any bits off my frame, and all the original stock parts, including the tank and side covers will be safely tucked away in case I fancy a change in the future

RRRToolSolutions · « **Reply #36 on:** June 14, 2007, 05:03:25 AM »

Uhh, we've hi-jacked the thread....

Chris, yes that's part of them. I have several more that are restored and just won't fit in my building. They stay in my garage/shop. I've got others waiting on their turn to get TLC in a public storage building. Here is my current project and shop -

I told you I was stuck on originals and had it real bad.

Regards,
gordon

toycollector10 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 14, 2007, 03:09:56 PM »

Nice bikes Gordon.....

How would someone go about the new thread?/poll? The thread that links the age of the individual to the preference for stock as versus cafed or chopped.

I think you would find that us GHOF's (grey haired old pharts) prefer stock by a huge margin because when we rocked up to the Honda dealer the sight of that shiny, chromed, badged stock bike will never be forgotten. It was magic as far as I'm concerned and I can just about remember the smell of the damn things. (Makes a mental note: probably best not to give away too much of ones mental state on the forum

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Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #38 on:** June 14, 2007, 08:34:51 PM »

Well thank you guys, I feel honured and I accept

.... If any of you recall, Art Sparty did a SOHC4 calender early in the year and guess who is the pin up boy (old man)

for June....might be a good omen

Sam.

P.S. Nice bit of photography Steve

CrisPDuk · « **Reply #39 on:** June 14, 2007, 08:58:08 PM »

Is nobody going to second the nomination for Justin's bike then?

That's a bit harsh fella's it's a pretty cool lookiing machine

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #40 on:** June 14, 2007, 10:11:25 PM »

I looked Noel, where is it supposed to be ?

Sam.

CrisPDuk · « **Reply #41 on:** June 14, 2007, 11:44:44 PM »

Morning Sam, hows it going?

It was nominated by Neil Young but he did it in the wrong thread so I posted a link to the nomination on p2 of his thread

doug_id · « **Reply #42 on:** June 15, 2007, 05:07:22 AM »

Quote from: CrisPDuk on June 14, 2007, 08:58:08 PM

Is nobody going to second the nomination for Justin's bike then?

That's a bit harsh fella's it's a pretty cool lookiing machine

Hi Cris, I have looked in other thread but don't see a pic of the bike......can someone post one here?

Thx,
Doug

CrisPDuk · « **Reply #43 on:** June 15, 2007, 05:33:19 AM »

Pics in this thread

http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=22837.msg235211#msg235211

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #44 on:** June 15, 2007, 06:26:44 AM »

Justin's bike.

doug_id · « **Reply #45 on:** June 15, 2007, 10:37:50 AM »

I second the nomination of Justin's bike

heffay · « **Reply #46 on:** June 17, 2007, 05:21:15 PM »

hey guys... this is a very thought out thread and i won't intrude w/ the "hey, you can't talk about that" crap.

but, do try to keep on track.

anyway, i've asked one of the other mods to take over the task of the voting poll for this month as i am having major malfunctions w/ computers these days.

i'm still here and hope to get to chat it up a bit more once the computer stops being a *&^# ^*&*$ %$^&*& $#^&^ ()*&^@@$

on a better note... i got to go visit dad for father's day lunch while he was on break from teaching an MSF course

... hopefully, he enjoyed our 30 minute visit... i know i sure did... and my hour and a half trip each way.

Hockers Choppers · « **Reply #47 on:** June 17, 2007, 08:15:24 PM »

Quote from: bill440cars on June 09, 2007, 06:39:46 PM

Well, I'm nominating once again going to nominate 6pk's 750F, cause that is one Sweet Ride, especially if you could have seen what it went through to get to where it is now!

Later on, Bill

SORRY stock guys.........My bike looked about like this when I bought it, not that clean by any means but mostly there. Could have been restored, but....

WJL75 · « **Reply #48 on:** June 18, 2007, 05:55:29 AM »

When is the voting thread going to show up?

SteveD CB500F · « **Reply #49 on:** June 18, 2007, 06:07:32 AM »

On its way.

In the meantime, I have the following nominations:

Proteal55
wulfshrunting
Bob Wessner
Justin McGuyver (needs second + acceptance)
Sam CR750 (needs acceptance)
Justin (needs acceptance)
6pk (confused - is this accepted or not)

I'll put the poll up. If any of the above post their acceptance (or point me to the one I missed) then I'll add it to the poll. You can change your vote so no big probs.

Steve

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Author Topic: Hey Heff, where's the July nominations thread then? EDIT: HERE IT IS!!! (Read 11850 times)