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Offline gregwaits

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online scam buyers
« on: June 22, 2007, 08:25:33 PM »
This was just sent to me in reference to a bike I have for sale on Craigslist. Call me cynical, but this really sounds fishy.

I told her I don't play that game. Just send what I ask, and nothing more. I don't do the "refund the balance" routine.

Has anyone in here encountered this sort of BS?

Here is the email:

'Hello ,
Thanks for your response,am ok with the price and the conditions..I would have love to come and look at it its just that time wont permit me cos am very busy woman... .i will be paying through a certified cashier check and i will be responsible for the shippment ok and the pickup.As soon as you receive the payment and it clears in your bank you will be deducting your actual fund and send the remaining amount to my shipping agent via western union money transfer.They will be the one to do the pick-up at your place ok..I hope i can trust you with my balance.so this the shipper ID if you want to mail the......aandomegashippings@yahoo.co.uk
Do get back to me with the following details on the Check):
1.Name to be issue to...
2.Contact Address(City,State,Zip code,Country):
3.Contact telephone number:(home,cell or work...)
Do get back to me as soon as posible with this details for payment to be made out to you immediately.in other for the payment to be sent to
you in time.Also i will want u to remove the item from the site u posted it so that no one will contact u forit
Hoping to hear from you soon.
Regard to your family "
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Re: online scam buyers
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2007, 09:49:34 PM »
sounds like a nigerian scam to me...
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Re: online scam buyers
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2007, 10:19:46 PM »
poor grammer is usually the give away.
I usually send them back an email offering to take commissions on their future scams if they want a better letter writer ;D

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Re: online scam buyers
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2007, 11:24:21 PM »
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Has anyone in here encountered this sort of BS?
I thought I would just throw in my two cents on this topic. I've been dealing with scammers since around '02. I do alot of business on ebay/online classifieds and have probably received close to a thousand (not an exageration) of these emails.

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I told her I don't play that game.
Let me offer some reasons why not to do this:
*Its a scam, plain and simple. Any attempt to turn it around into a legitimate transaction or even to just blow off some steam by sending a "go and f*** yourself" is a waste of your time.
*Replying often times gets your email address harvested and sold to spam lists. This is particularly true with craigslist since you're initially hidden behind that nice craigslist auto response. Replying not only gives them a valid email, but lets them know that it's being read.
*Sometimes these people are phishing for identity theft, not the old "send a fake money order then get the rest wired back" scheme. In fact, they often know that you realize or understand the concept of this scam. It's a red herring designed just to get enough info out of you that they can obtain the rest.
*Scammers often have access to simple, yet devasting tools that can bring your network down, bring your website down, flood your inbox, and just generally make your life a living hell if you make them angry enough. Hence my suggestion not to bother with sending a "go and f*** yourself" reply.

A good example and small anecdote to that last tip was something that I've been doing for the past few months. The rate of obvious scams and spammers on my local craigslist was increasing almost ten fold with the addition of newer bots that can defeat the supposed "no automated listings" protection impossed by craigslist. The flagging tool works well, but sometimes this stuff just doesn't get pulled fast enough or sometimes even at all. I whipped together a little program that ultimately, with 2 clicks of my mouse, can remove any posting on any region of craigslist within seconds. All it took was about an hour of trial and error trying to understand how craigslist works "internally", and after that it was a matter of minutes before I had written a program to exploit it (I'm positive other people out there have written almost identical programs before me). The point of this is that after I was done, it hit me just how scary it is that it's so easy to screw anyone over on craigslist, and to just plain f*** with people in general electronically this day and age. Thankfully, I'm not the type of person who would ever try to do something bad. But there are plenty of people out there who will.

Alot of people have good advice for avoiding scams, but the most easy and simplistic rule for understanding who not to deal with is this: If the buyer is proposing a payment method thats any more complicated than "let me give you cash", "let me write you a check (assuming you will take a check)", or "will you trade for X (assuming you will accept trades)",  then there is absolutely no reason to deal with this person. In this case of the example greg posted above, that would be this exact verbiage: "As soon as you receive the payment and it clears in your bank you will be deducting". This is completely extraneous. A legitimate transaction involves exhanging cash and or goods for other goods, there's no reason to ever "deduct" anything. Theres no real reason to continue reading that email after you get to that line. If you follow this rule, and take into consideration the things I've mentioned, you shouldn't ever have any issues to deal with.

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Re: online scam buyers
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2007, 11:29:39 PM »
Thanks for taking the time to post all of that up. Sounds like very good advice.
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Re: online scam buyers
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2007, 11:39:57 PM »
No prob. I wish I could pass this on to every person out there on the internet. Not for any type of recognition, just to put an end to this BS once and for all.

Oh, I forgot to post this link: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/
This is quite possibly one of the funniest pranks I have read... ever. It's a bit of a read, but if you get satisfaction out of watching people (in this case scammers) get what they deserve, you won't be sorry you sat through the whole thing.

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Re: online scam buyers
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2007, 02:40:01 AM »
BAHAHAHAHAhahahaha... thats a killer, though makes you wonder what happened to jeff!!!!

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Re: online scam buyers
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2007, 04:07:54 AM »
Hazel,
for sure. I no longer bother to cash/attempt to cash those checks
or even reply.
Just delete them emails.

If you are greedy and a little nieve you could get burned.
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Re: online scam buyers
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2007, 04:14:04 AM »
The opposite scam is when a seller pretends to sell an almost-new bike for a tenth of its value. Obviously, the scam is that you have to send the payment via Western Union. I once created a new email address just for this and played cat and mouse with him. By changing my writing on purpose just to pretend I was not proficient in english, and playing the over-enthusiastic buyer who have found a killer deal, I told him I was so sorry but I was short of 500 bucks of his asking price. Obviously, he reduced the price. Then I told him I have heard about scams, so in order to make sure the bike in the picture was his I wanted him to stand besides the bike with a banner saying "Soyma riconazo", that comes from spanish "soy mariconazo" -I'm gay-. The guy told me he would instead write it over the tank and I can erase it later, and sent me the same picture with the letters written with Microsoft Paint. Finally I told him I would be selling the money and gave him a fake transaction number. He came back to me saying the number was wrong and I told him I was sorry, I took a "6" by and "8". Then he came back to me and I changed another number and told him I apologized, the clerck at WU couldn't write clear and I couldn't understand a number. He told me to scan the receipt or send him a picture, and I retorted I had no scanner or digital camera, but I could take a picture on film, and if he waited a month until the film was full and I develop I could send him the picture by post.

The guy started to get anxious, and I played the offended guy telling him I had to go on a bycicle twice to the WU in order to make the transfer -that's the reason I wanted a bike after all ;-) and I had no money nor a bike. The guy started to seem dubious, so I planned the final stab, went to the Post Office -who are authorized WU agents-, got a blank form and fill it with all the fake information I gave him, obviously with unclear handwriting. I told him I borrowed a digital camera and sent him the picture.


To my surprise, the guy replied with his cards facing up telling me I was a good scammer, but not as good as him. He told me if I revealed him my secrets he would reveal me mine. He said he caught me because of the spanish post sign on the form.

My reply was there was no scam, the Post is an authorized agent and the form was fake, but I was not an scammer, only enjoyed making f&$ing scammers waste his time. He said there was no reason to be rude now that the game was over, and insisted that we could make a team -seriously- and make profit together. Of course, I thought he wanted me to be off guard and reveal personal information, to which I didn't say anything. I asked him which country was he from because of his poor english skill, and if it was really that profitable when the scam could be seen from a mile distance. His reply was that he was not english -didn't say from where- but he indeed lived in London, and he said "you would be surprised how many people send the money trying to get a bargain".

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Re: online scam buyers
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2007, 12:08:19 AM »
poor grammer is usually the give away.
I usually send them back an email offering to take commissions on their future scams if they want a better letter writer ;D

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Re: online scam buyers
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2007, 01:31:14 AM »
Here's an amusing follow-up to one scam, just to see how long he could string it along. http://www.declangrady.com/scamalert.shtml

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