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Help!!!! Head case!
« on: June 22, 2007, 08:24:39 AM »
OK so i go to remove my plugs from the head and whaddya know...#4 plug breaks along the threads!
So now im trying one of the square shaped EZ-outs but so far no luck.

Does anyone know of a way to remove the thread barrel without totally mangling the head?

If not,
Does anyone know if there is a difference between my 75 F head and k heads of the same year(s)?

Plz help i'm at a standstill now...so lost...so alone....

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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2007, 08:30:31 AM »
Wow! That plug must be really stuck. Have you tried the liquid stuff?
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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2007, 08:34:42 AM »
Did you just break the plug off in the head or did you crack the plug threads in the head?
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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2007, 08:44:53 AM »
i broke the plug in TWO only 1 and 1/2 threads away from the hex part on the body of the plug.
So essentially after digging out the ceramic for the electrode, all that is left in the head is a tube of threads - literally
I have considered taking a torch to the damn thing but i'm naturally skittish about murdering the head itself, and from what i remember
Aluminum is kinda funky about heating up..the outsides will expand a bit but the insides of AL will just soften and melt...(ask me how i know, no wait....don't)
I've soaked the sucker in PBblaster, WD40, oil,and even tapped it with a hammer to maybe break up some of the corrosion on it..nothing so far.

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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2007, 08:47:20 AM »
Think positive PB - its #4 and easy to get at :)

Partsbiker

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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2007, 08:53:10 AM »
Oh they are all easy to get at now...I removed the head JUST for this plug, I wouldnt dare risk letting some of the ceramic fall in the cylinder and screwing that up.
Maybe if i drill it out and use a can of keyboard cleaner upside down to freeze the head around the threads? Any thoughts?

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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2007, 08:53:24 AM »
Hey PB...
Do you have a dremmel tool???
I've had pretty good luck removing things like that by carefully grinding away the shell in two places opposite each other...then collapsing the shell with a screwdriver and a hammer.
Just have to be careful and not get into the threads anymore than necessary. You'll also have to put something in there to keep the debris out of the cylinder.
Be worth a try before you pull the head!

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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2007, 08:56:20 AM »
Be worth a try before you pull the head!

Heh Too late!

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2007, 09:01:31 AM »
OH well...
The Dremmel might still be a way for you to remove the shell...
You won't have to worry about getting stuff in they cyl!

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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2007, 09:36:27 AM »
Weld a nut to the broken plug?
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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2007, 09:52:57 AM »
I had the same problem, I ended up drilling it out and taking it to a local shop to have a timesert put in it. If you are very careful you can drill out the shell and retap the threads, but it didnt work for me. good luck!

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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2007, 10:03:46 AM »
If the head's already off put a used (not too sharp, not too dull) drill bit slightly smaller than the threads from the inside of the combustion chamber and just drill out. It'll probably twist itself out, if not you'll have less material to dremel out.

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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2007, 10:49:46 AM »
750 I'm assuming?! If so the heads you mention are different but interchangable. However, you'll really want the 75/76 750F head (or 77/78K) over the 75K head. Combustion chamber is hemi design in the 75/76F and 77/78K. These heads have a 392 cast into them on the top fin intake side between #2 & #3.
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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2007, 11:08:03 AM »
A mate had this problem recently on a car, he got a small hacksaw blade and cut down the length of the spark plug body then collapsed the sides in allowing him to unscrew it, all done with the head still on using plenty of grease on the blade to catch the filings.
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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2007, 04:20:28 PM »
if possible warm the head, get it good and hot, fairly close to operating temp, then chill the plug shell, (a metal funnel with the spout passing through the plug and touching all sides, pour cold water through the funnel, cools only the plug)  should loosen it up enough to turn out.

 If I have to split the shell I prefer making three evenly spaced splits, less likly to mar the threads while working the plug shell out, and it's easier to get a smaller section out.

   If available, drill and left hand tap the shell, then thread a left hand shoulder bolt into it, when the shoulder hits it will start turning the plug out.
  or since the head is off tap it right hand and use a shoulder bolt from the combustion chamber side to turn it out.

 Hopefully the plug was cracked or weak, and it will come right out once you are able to get some torque on it.

 easy outs can be a lifesaver, but by design they 'spread' the bolt you're attempting to remove, and may jamb it in tighter.



not using anti-sieze, or installing cold plugs into a warm engine can lead to this.

 never torque a cold plug into a hot engine, (or the reverse)  just snug them in. when they cool the aluminum shrinks up more than the steel and the plugs locked in.

 If you need to do a 'hot' change, just run them down finger tight, and let them sit a couple minutes to equalize before you snug them in.

 I always use antisieze, fresh application about every third plug remove/reinstall, don't need a lot just enough to form a sheild.

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Re: Help!!!! Head case!
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2007, 06:02:50 PM »
Its all good... i drilled and tapped
threads are a bit mushed on the combustion side but there are plenty left to hold the plug in.
couldnt heat up the head with it off... aluminum works too damn good at what its supposed to do...but i did take a can of keyboard air cleaner, turn it upside down, spray & freeze the remnants, and then was able to retap the threads to clean em out!

SUCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and yeah i got 392 5x on the casting plate
those heads any good? i see a lot of valve shrouding...

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2007, 10:08:10 PM »
Compare that 392 head to a standard K head and you will think there is NO valve shrouding. It's a better head to begin with but you should get on Mike Rieck's list and made it a great head while you have it off.
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