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drag/ clubmans handle better
« on: July 11, 2007, 06:02:45 AM »
I was wondering if clubmans handle well I am still battling wheather to buy drag bars or clubmans....I am thinking of comfort and handling.
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Re: do clubmans handle better
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2007, 07:15:57 AM »
my experiance shows handling about the same.
 
 Longer distance riding is more comfortable with drag bars to me.

 Was riding about 94 miles a day for work for a while, and the first couple days were with clubmans which got pretty uncomfortable, switched to drags and I was still looking forward to riding around after work

On short runs, no real difference in comfort was noticed.

 I'm 5'6", so the clubmans stretched me out which may have a good deal to do with comfort levels. Bike's a 74 750k

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Re: do clubmans handle better
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2007, 08:26:57 AM »
i kind of like the straight across look. how much pullback do your drag bars have.
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Re: do clubmans handle better
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2007, 08:51:58 AM »
I agree with Ken. I have tomesselli bars (like clubmans) on my K2 and get stiff wrists after a 100 miles or so if not before. It does get better the more you drive. I just installed some European bars on my CB750K4  (thanks Gordon for the advice!) and took a 280mile roundtrip at the weekend and could have gone on and on...very comfortable. Euro bars have 2 1/2 rise and 4 3/4 pullback.

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Re: do clubmans handle better
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2007, 08:58:24 AM »
I find clubmans don't work so well if your traveling at less than about 80mph when the wind supports your body to a certain degree and lessens pressure on your wrists. Clubmans are slightly further forward so put more weight on front wheel which can help it steer better at mid/high speeds ( front tyre 'sticks' better)
 If your not going much over 60, my opinion is Euro bars will probably be better.
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Re: drag/ clubmans handle better
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2007, 09:30:53 AM »
These are 7/8 bars. 3.8" pull back with 5.6" center 28" wide....i was looking at a set of black drags with these specs.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2007, 07:44:37 PM »
I just switched from the drag bars you're looking at, to a set of clubmans.  I preferred the look of the clubmans over the drag bars, however, the drag bars were MUCH more comfortable than the clubmans.  Being that I probably wont see TOO many miles on this bike, I went for what look/feels right.  I have a photo of the drag bars, but have yet to snap a shot with the clubmans:

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2007, 09:52:12 PM »
I've never used drag bars but with my clubmans I can only go about 20 miles before issues... the wrists start hurting.  Today I went for about 15 miles but hit every redlight possible and by the time I got to my destination I had lost feeling in two fingers on the throttle hand, no joke the whole numbness followed by pins and needles. 

But they really look cool so I won't ever think about changing them.    ;D

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2007, 04:20:54 AM »
One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that dragbars will give you more leverage when turning the bike over clubmans.

I had dragbars on my bike and really liked them, but I'm going with clip-ons for two reasons:  1) looks (cafe) and 2) coming from sportbikes, I'm used to and like the position.

Edit:  I meant to add Lennlen, that's a sweet looking bike!  Nice paint job.

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Re: drag/ clubmans handle better
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2007, 06:53:02 AM »
I put drag bars on will post pics....Whenever I find Risers at a decent price I will post pics....need to get them up a little to make a little more room for master cylinder and they slightly hit the tank.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2007, 10:25:58 AM »
I have tomesselli bars on my cb350 twin and I don't have any problems with them. I have done a few longer hauls on them and they don't bother me. They did initially but I very quickly got used to them.

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Re: drag/ clubmans handle better
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2007, 12:31:40 PM »
Far as handling is concerned. Put a boomstick up there. Handling is the same. Lower bars will probably lower the center of gravity, you will however be in much more pain, unless of course you lower your butt also...

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2007, 04:14:56 PM »
"Clubman's" are a tragic compromise of "Form over Function" that became popular in Britain (the scene of many, many tragedies) in the 1960's with greasy haired youths who would rattle around on "oil distributors" made by motorcycle companies long since extinct.

The one (and only) benefit of Clubmans being that you didn't have to find replacements for the full length headlight ears, as you did with "clip on" bars. As far as "comfort" goes, (a word not usually used in the same sentence as "clubmans") as an exercise, while you're sitting at your computer, with your back straight, look up at the roof directly above you, and hold that pose for say, 5 hours, and that'll give you a good idea of what it's like riding for about one hour with clubmans. (seasonally adjusted, of course) It's hard enough to look at anything but your fuel cap after awhile, let alone swallow....... I've always believed that back and neck braces should be mandatory accessories for clubman owners.

Apart from the ridiculous seating position, most riders choose clubmans because they're reasonably inept mechanically, so they don't think all that much about the cable excesses that they'll end up with when they go from a 4 or 6 inch bar rise to a -2 or even worse, (as I've seen on this site) so they end up with a foot or so of cable preceding the bike, which not only looks silly, it can be downright dangerous. Don't get me started on master cylinders with hoses bent at unnatural angles that won't bleed properly, and lose half their contents whenever the cap is removed.

Americans, while not necessarily being as creative as the Brits, are good at injecting a little common sense into any argument, so they invented the "Superbike Bar" as was used on the famous "Wes Cooley" Suzuki GS1000 race bike, and the Yoshimura/Moriwaki Kawasaki and Suzuki race bikes (by this stage Honda had all but given up on winning racers against Kawasaki and Suzuki in the latter half of the 1970's) which was a neat 1 or 2 inch rise narrow-ish bar that gave the rider a much more comfortable seating position, and better leverage than the competition, to haul these big heavy beasts around a racetrack.

These bars are attractive too, in the mandatory matt black, I've also got an original "Wes Cooley Replica" Suzuki GS1000S in my garage, and in my opinion, it's still probably the best bike of the 1970's. (even though mine was the very last of the production run, made in 1981)

Daniel's bike is adorned with the Raask "Laverda Jota" replica bars, which are quite probably the best compromise available, and (particularly on a Jota) the best looking bars ever made for a motorcycle. I must buy another pair and shorten the centre's like Daniel has done, Raask intentionally made the centre bar longer to accommodate a wider variety of bikes, making them look a tad "goofy", so Daniel has brought them back to the way Messers Laverda originally intended them. Well done! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2007, 11:44:57 PM »
I don't know if I'm supposed to feel great with a comment like "most riders choose clubmans because they're reasonably inept mechanically"  but you can keep your moped riding style cause I'll take numb fingers any time.   :P


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Re: drag/ clubmans handle better
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2007, 02:17:03 AM »
If you want a long distance comfort and great handling, I would recommend you to go with a Euro or Superbike handlebar

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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2007, 02:45:33 AM »
You can always turn the clubman bars upside down.

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Re: drag/ clubmans handle better
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2007, 08:34:01 AM »
I've got clubmans on my 550 and superbike bars on my 750. The 550 is suitable for cruising around town and is a lot more fun to throw around. But when I'm gearing up for a longer ride (50+ miles), I definitely will grab my 750. I could ride it all day with no discomfort. Not as much fun through the twisties, but more forgiving on my back.

For the record, handle bars will not make your bike handle better or worse. Your suspension, tires, steering bracket, swing arm...etc will do that. Handlebars will change your riding position thus changing the way you ride the bike. Handlebars will affect each rider differently due to the fact that all of us have different length arms, torsos, and legs. I guess my point is that it may be a trial and error process for you to find the optimal setup.

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2007, 02:40:38 AM »
I don't know if I'm supposed to feel great with a comment like "most riders choose clubmans because they're reasonably inept mechanically"  but you can keep your moped riding style cause I'll take numb fingers any time.   :P

Ha ha, well here's a pic of the great man himself aboard his AMA Superbike Championship winning "Moped", note the handlebars..........

I tried to find a pic of a real race bike of the era fitted with "clubmans", but it seems that they were only used on "Cafe Racers", as opposed to real race bikes? Still, if you like them, then enjoy! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: drag/ clubmans handle better
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2007, 12:26:17 PM »
I don't know if I'm supposed to feel great with a comment like "most riders choose clubmans because they're reasonably inept mechanically"  but you can keep your moped riding style cause I'll take numb fingers any time.   :P

Ha ha, well here's a pic of the great man himself aboard his AMA Superbike Championship winning "Moped", note the handlebars..........

I tried to find a pic of a real race bike of the era fitted with "clubmans", but it seems that they were only used on "Cafe Racers", as opposed to real race bikes? Still, if you like them, then enjoy! Cheers, Terry. ;D

You can bet they would have used clubman bars if the rules allowed it.(they didnt) bike had to have stock profile so high bars were used.
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2007, 02:23:05 PM »
No PJ, I reckon they would have used clip-ons, but I seriously doubt they would have considered clubmans. More weight, and no advantage. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2007, 06:27:46 PM »
I just switched from the drag bars you're looking at, to a set of clubmans.  I preferred the look of the clubmans over the drag bars, however, the drag bars were MUCH more comfortable than the clubmans.  Being that I probably wont see TOO many miles on this bike, I went for what look/feels right.  I have a photo of the drag bars, but have yet to snap a shot with the clubmans:

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Man, bickering aside, Lenlenn my tongue is still dragging on the floor over your bike.  I'm nominating you for next month's bike of the month.

So to the original question: I really enjoy my drag bars.  Slow speed manuevering is way easier than clubman's.  Overall handling at any speed is pretty much the same.  We're talking about 70's era bikes not Hayabusas here.  Your biggest problem with drag bars is trying to mount a master cylinder on them.  Take a good look and measure everything out.  Plenty of posts on here about this, my solution was throwing a 06 gsxr master on mine. 
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Re: drag/ clubmans handle better
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2007, 07:24:59 PM »
Man, bickering aside, Lenlenn my tongue is still dragging on the floor over your bike.  I'm nominating you for next month's bike of the month.

So to the original question: I really enjoy my drag bars.  Slow speed manuevering is way easier than clubman's.  Overall handling at any speed is pretty much the same.  We're talking about 70's era bikes not Hayabusas here.  Your biggest problem with drag bars is trying to mount a master cylinder on them.  Take a good look and measure everything out.  Plenty of posts on here about this, my solution was throwing a 06 gsxr master on mine. 

Thanks for the compliment :D

Finally got pictures of the clubmans, and love the look.  It has, however, been pretty tough on my back for my 25+ minute rides.  I totaly agree with you that being these are vintage bikes on the stock suspension, the bars you use do not have a drastic effect oh handling, as rider position is not exactly the weakest point (theres clearance, soft suspension, tires).

However, using different bars on a modern sports bike (or a vintage racer with updated/aftermarket suspension) has a profound effect on the bike's handling.  Rider position isnt only about "changing the way you ride your bike", or "feeling" the bike differently, it is very important in placing more of the rider weight on the front tire when going around the track.  When changing the stock superbike bars on my other bike (Ducati M900S) to clip-on's, there was a drastic change in the way I moved around the bike both on and off the track.  As rider weight accounts for a good 25% of the bike's total weight, having that 25% move more effectively, in my opinion, is considered better handling :p

Besides, enough of my rambling, clubmans look sooo good :D



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Re: drag/ clubmans handle better
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2007, 07:31:57 PM »
I thought I had heard that clubmans came out of a sportman's class of racing that specified that the stock handlbars had to be used.  Since the rules didn't state that they couldn't be cut apart and rewelded (in a somewhat racier form) some of the more innovative competitors did so, and the clubmans were born.  Can't remember where I heard it though.  Getting old sucks!!

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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2007, 02:28:55 AM »
I thought I had heard that clubmans came out of a sportman's class of racing that specified that the stock handlbars had to be used.  Since the rules didn't state that they couldn't be cut apart and rewelded (in a somewhat racier form) some of the more innovative competitors did so, and the clubmans were born.  Can't remember where I heard it though.  Getting old sucks!!

Quite possibly Fordy, I had a set of "Clubmans" on my first CB750K1 25 years ago turned upside down, (or perhaps "right way up" is more accurate) and they were very good touring bars.

The term "Clubman" hints that they might have been used for "club racing", so you might have something there. Not a popular choice now for "period" racers, but quite popular with the "Cafe" set. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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Re: drag/ clubmans handle better
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2007, 05:07:02 AM »
I find my tomaselli's comfortable enough ;D and as a bonus they put my mirrors into a position where I can see what's happening behind me 8)



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