Author Topic: New CB750 in the works? (Read 8546 times)

lincoln · « **Reply #25 on:** July 16, 2007, 02:26:02 PM »

Ya' know, I'm not a huge fan of new bikes. Still have a sohc CB750.
However, I have an 05 Triumph T100 as well. It's the first new bike I
ever WANTED to buy. Some folks (alot of us here included), just really
dig vintage bikes. That said, if Honda proceeds with this idea, and it's
done with real integrity (they created the bike in the first place) I think
they could pull it off. Of course it could never replace an original, that's not
up for debate. But if they do it, they'll have to compete with other bikes
in the "retro" vein. I think they'd have to price it under 10k as well. Personally,
I'm not gonna' slam Honda for the idea, before I have a much better idea of
exactly what they have in mind. October is only a few months away. Until then, I'll ride my Honda AND my Triumph, and be perfectly happy with both.

eldar · « **Reply #26 on:** July 16, 2007, 04:08:44 PM »

Just as some have said, sometimes I would rather ride than wrench. Big deal about a chip. Dont todays cars do the same thing and those are always modded, it just requires a different approach. You can do just as much to ANY car or bike made now as you could then. You just do it differently, but I think that is where people get hung up. They know the old way but are afraid to do it a new way cause they would have to learn and not be an expert. Boo Hoo.

Like I said earlier. If would buy it if I could afford it and then mod it to match the look of my K8. I would be these bikes, if they get attention, will have a bevy of aftermarket supplies to choose from. Piston kits and all that good stuff. You know it is funny. If you can gripe about chips and such, maybe you are not much of a modder? Before anyone gets pissed, read on.
MANY people take todays bikes and mod them with nos and pistons and all sorts of things. Obviously they are able to get around a simple computer.

So you could have your original ride which can never be duplicated AND you could get a new ride that is similar in looks but better handling and just as reliable and still mod it!

I say Honda should do this but I also want the NAS concept bike too!

nickjtc · « **Reply #27 on:** July 17, 2007, 12:41:57 PM »

Quote from: BobbyR on July 16, 2007, 12:36:42 PM

Quote from: Gordon on July 16, 2007, 12:16:36 PM
It's a nice idea, but in my opinion, you can recreate the look but not the soul... $:-\$
Very true, I would miss the minimal braking, vague handling and fiddling with the carbs.

Ooo the cutting sarcasm!

Being the GHOF that I am, I believe that marginal brakes, vague handling and the necessity to be at one with machine makes me appreciate the experience all the more.

And a spincter pucker factor of 9.9 now and again makes for interesting war stories....

dusterdude · « **Reply #28 on:** July 17, 2007, 12:50:14 PM »

how much would ya`ll pay for that bike?

firecracker · « **Reply #29 on:** July 17, 2007, 01:20:55 PM »

Eldar - Try not to let my paranoia about the gubberment tracking me with gal darned computer parts keep us from getting along.

We K8 riders gotta stick together... even if some of us are a little nutz!

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #30 on:** July 17, 2007, 01:22:45 PM »

If they were to do this, the cost will be interesting. I believe the 750 was approximately $1400 in 1970 (maybe someone has a better figure). Based on inflation since then, it would cost $7,503.31 today. I find it hard to believe they could, or would, do it for that.

dusterdude · « **Reply #31 on:** July 17, 2007, 01:30:19 PM »

me too,and i would be hard pressed to pay that for it.

SteveD CB500F · « **Reply #32 on:** July 17, 2007, 01:35:38 PM »

Quote from: Wheelhorse77 on July 16, 2007, 01:01:27 PM

... might as well come fuel injected.

They'd have to be injected to pass Euro emission rules for '08. Almost nothing available here any more with carbs.

The 08 Bonnevile is fuel injected (I was at the Hinkley factory last week on a tour). They have built the injectors into the carb bodies to retain the look. The tour guide took a rack off the line and handed them round. If you look down the throat of the carb they are empty. No jets, no needles. The float bowls are dummies!

eldar · « **Reply #33 on:** July 17, 2007, 01:37:19 PM »

They would not use a chip to track with. It would be embedded into the frame! Kinda hard to remove a frame!

firecracker · « **Reply #34 on:** July 17, 2007, 01:49:50 PM »

AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!

They're AFTER ME!!!!!!

GroovieGhoulie · « **Reply #35 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:08:27 PM »

Quote from: SteveD CB500F on July 17, 2007, 01:35:38 PM

Quote from: Wheelhorse77 on July 16, 2007, 01:01:27 PM
... might as well come fuel injected.

They'd have to be injected to pass Euro emission rules for '08. Almost nothing available here any more with carbs.

The 08 Bonnevile is fuel injected (I was at the Hinkley factory last week on a tour). They have built the injectors into the carb bodies to retain the look. The tour guide took a rack off the line and handed them round. If you look down the throat of the carb they are empty. No jets, no needles. The float bowls are dummies!

IS that a "new for '08" or "Only for Europe" thing? I ask because I am SERIOUSLY looking at the new Scrambler, which has only a slightly different power unit than the Bonnies, and if the new ones are FI, I'll look for an '07 or earlier.

GroovieGhoulie · « **Reply #36 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:09:38 PM »

Quote from: Bob Wessner on July 17, 2007, 01:22:45 PM

If they were to do this, the cost will be interesting. I believe the 750 was approximately $1400 in 1970 (maybe someone has a better figure). Based on inflation since then, it would cost $7,503.31 today. I find it hard to believe they could, or would, do it for that.

Triumph has their retro line for between $7K and $8.5K, so I think that price range is reasonable, both for what the company can do it for, and for what people would pay.

Wheelhorse77 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:28:12 PM »

Ahh that's what financing is for; offer a good introductory APR and people will flock to them.

I think it's a good bridge personally--- either you buy a HD, an HD immitation or a crotch rocket. For those niche people--- these aren't even choices you get the Triumphs, Guzzi's and so-forth.

bill440cars · « **Reply #38 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:36:39 PM »

Quote from: firecracker on July 16, 2007, 12:20:47 PM

Kind of like the old vs. new VW bugs. Worlds apart. New may be nice, but they don't have the same (any?) personality.

I'm anxious to see the new ('09?) Camaro, but will probably still find the '69 more desirable...

And I am waiting to see the NEW Dodge Challenger, which is on a countdown.

Later on, Bill

toycollector10 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 17, 2007, 06:51:45 PM »

That bike has nothing, no style, no X factor. It looks fat and bloated.

They got it dead right the first time in 1969 and everything that came after it was a fiddle to make it "the next best thing", which is what it was, the next best.

It's just another boring retro new look in the old style bike. I thought they could do a lot better that what I see in the pictures.

SteveD CB500F · « **Reply #40 on:** July 17, 2007, 07:38:58 PM »

Quote from: GroovieGhoulie on July 17, 2007, 05:08:27 PM

IS that a "new for '08" or "Only for Europe" thing? I ask because I am SERIOUSLY looking at the new Scrambler, which has only a slightly different power unit than the Bonnies, and if the new ones are FI, I'll look for an '07 or earlier.

UK and one or two Euro countries starting in Sept (the 08 model year). They said that every export market would be covered by '10, presumably as the tougher regs are introduced throughout the world.

I've tried the Scrambler demo bike. It's serious fun.

GroovieGhoulie · « **Reply #41 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:10:33 PM »

Quote from: SteveD CB500F on July 17, 2007, 07:38:58 PM

Quote from: GroovieGhoulie on July 17, 2007, 05:08:27 PM
IS that a "new for '08" or "Only for Europe" thing? I ask because I am SERIOUSLY looking at the new Scrambler, which has only a slightly different power unit than the Bonnies, and if the new ones are FI, I'll look for an '07 or earlier.

UK and one or two Euro countries starting in Sept (the 08 model year). They said that every export market would be covered by '10, presumably as the tougher regs are introduced throughout the world.

I've tried the Scrambler demo bike. It's serious fun.

My local Euro-bike dealer said they have a Scrambler demo bike and I think I'm gonna try and wrangle a ride next time I'm over there.

One of the salesmen said he didn't like the riding position because he said it was "too bolt-upright in the wind" and the handlebars are too wide. Sounds exactly like the "Sit-up-and-beg" riding position that the huge tiller on my 750 demands, so I think I'll be ok.

He said he prefers the Thruxton's more "sporty" riding position...we shall see.

rhinoracer · « **Reply #42 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:31:57 PM »

Great ! !

Instead of buying old stuff for my project K1, I'll start saving to buy the new bike and get all the parts I need off it to finish my ride

Joel · « **Reply #43 on:** July 17, 2007, 09:24:57 PM »

Retro can be done well or done poorly. I think the 97-06 Wrangler was well done. Same with the Mini Cooper. However, I think the New Beetle was poorly styled even though it does a decent job of recreating the cheap, reliable transportation goal of its predecessor. I also wasn't a fan of the new Ford Thunderbird. I'm looking forward to the new Camaro and Challenger, though I think the Challenger will be too expensive to be a modern pony car.

I like the idea. Classic style with modern technology. I'm actually surprised how much it looks like the original. How much will the 400F version cost?

Ibsen · « **Reply #44 on:** July 18, 2007, 12:26:50 AM »

Kawasaki made an excellent retro of the Z1 with the Zephyr model, and of the W1/W2/W3 models with their W650, so there is no reason why Honda can't do the same with a retro 750.

eldar · « **Reply #45 on:** July 18, 2007, 06:23:23 AM »

Hey toycollector, You said honda got it right in 69. Why you want a bike that looks identical to your but from 07 or 08 running around? Sure make the 69 much less in demand since there is a clone running around. Dont kid yourself when you think people are going to nitpick on carbs and such. people just want the look.

The retro cannot look exactly like the 69.

firecracker · « **Reply #46 on:** July 18, 2007, 07:59:06 AM »

I do think there's a market for both. And I'm not sure the new one will hurt the value of the original.

Looking ahead the the "new" Camaro, I think lots of people will like that it has airbags, etc. But there's a huge group of people that want the "history" of the original. I also think bringing them back into the general popluation's radar will probably drive up the cost of the '69.

Hope I'm wrong, 'cause I don't know if I'll be able to afford one before January '08 (pretty sure that's when they're releasing the '09 - crazy, I know).

Oh yeah, sorry. I know this isn't the Camaro thread, but it's the best analogy for me ('cause it's on the to-buy list).

BobbyR · « **Reply #47 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:34:52 AM »

I donlt think we have any idea what it is going to look like. If I were Honda I would have both a standard and a cafe style since these bikes are popular in that style.

Wheelhorse77 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:57:51 AM »

Quote from: eldar, Master of the K8 Thunder! on July 18, 2007, 06:23:23 AM

Hey toycollector, You said honda got it right in 69. Why you want a bike that looks identical to your but from 07 or 08 running around? Sure make the 69 much less in demand since there is a clone running around. Dont kid yourself when you think people are going to nitpick on carbs and such. people just want the look.

The retro cannot look exactly like the 69.

I do say that I would miss the compliments... At least once when I have my bike out someone always asks about it no matter where I go. They ask what model and year and give props for keeping it on the road.

Unless you know SOHC's you could care less about looking for DOHC's, like you stated above---people want the look.

tinyrobot · « **Reply #49 on:** July 18, 2007, 11:00:56 AM »

Quote from: BobbyR on July 18, 2007, 09:34:52 AM

I donlt think we have any idea what it is going to look like. If I were Honda I would have both a standard and a cafe style since these bikes are popular in that style.

If they reproduced an CR style or factory R kit, I bet it would sell like crazy!!

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