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Offline nippon

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SuperCharger Info needed
« on: July 23, 2007, 03:50:50 PM »
Hi guys,
just finished my 750 K1 (pics in the gallery) and I'm thinking about to start a new (grazy) project.
I would like to get some information about the SuperCharger system.
The motorcycle shown in the picture was sold a couple of months ago on ebay.
I'm impressed about the engine.
Please could you feed me with some infos? Is it a selfmade system or was it
for sale in the 70s, or what? Any chance to get one? Price ranges?
Please let me now everything you know about the awesome piece.
I need one!
Thanks,
nippon

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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 05:46:02 PM »
Wow!  That's some crazy stuff right there!  I don't have any information on that but I'm sure a turbo manifold could easily be fabricated if you're just looking for some extra beef.  If you want the wtf factor then go with that sc, assuming you can find one.

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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 06:07:18 PM »
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Paxton McCullough Supercharger Company made blowers for bikes back in the day.

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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 08:46:02 PM »
Turbo is free hp....blower does cause parasitic drain.

I threw a vortech S trim on my stang which made 427 to the rear tire, but if I had double the money---ya right, I would have went with a hellion turbo.
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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 09:01:09 PM »
I believe Tinton had a turbo set up off of the bike he stripped down..not sure if he ebayed it or not..
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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 09:09:18 PM »
Turbo is free hp....blower does cause parasitic drain

Yes 77, it is free when it eventually arrives. The supercharger is power from the word go.

The supercharger does however run out of breath at higher revs.

Ideal solution, one of each ;D ;D ;D  the charger for grunt and the turbo for up top.

It's been done several times with startling results.

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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 09:26:29 PM »
isnt that set up built by DRUINN superchargers?...dont know if i got the spelling right, but thats them..

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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 09:26:49 PM »
A variable turbocharger adjusts the cross-section width of the exhaust turbine to drastically reduce lag at lower revolutions and still provide adequate exhaust flow at higher revolutions.  You could check with Garrett (www.turbobygarrett.com) and see if they have one sized for a motorcycle application.

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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2007, 09:29:41 PM »
That looks homemade to me. It's a Roots blower from the looks of it, Paxtons look like the compressor end of a turbocharger with a belt/gear drive instead of an exhaust turbine. There are/were quite a few hyper tuned 660cc Japanese cars using Roots superchargers, places that sell performance parts for Japanese cars might be able to help you. The Aisin AMR300 (Subaru EN07) and AMR500 (Nissan MA09) would work pretty well and are quite small. Japanese car laws are pretty strange and "old" cars (6+ years) get more and more expensive to license. Japanese people generally take insanely good care of their cars. These facts mean that there is a good supply of used stuff for domestic-only cars over 6 years old (parts for exported models have a ready market worldwide but Japan only stuff - like the hyper 550 and 660 engines - is harder to sell anywhere else). Japanese wrecking yards are an amazing sight, piles of new looking Toyotas and Nissans.
In general a Roots blower gives a lot of boost at low RPM, it is a positive displacement pump and the blower ratio sets the max boost at low speed - ie a 750cc per turn blower with a 2:1 drive would give 1 bar boost on a 750cc engine but at high RPM the boost drops as intake vacuum and flow effects bite into the efficiency. A Paxton blower, basically a centrifugal fan, has boost that increases with higher revs. It feels basically like a turbo with no turbo lag.
You need a cam grind with little or no overlap to make the most of any pressurized intake system.

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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2007, 10:47:19 PM »
Megacycle do a cam with just 215 degrees to 222 degrees overlap.

Cam number 125-N-T3.

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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2007, 03:36:48 AM »
Bodi -> na mate pretty sure its a drouin they are pretty old i have a pic from a an old mag...

 
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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2007, 04:20:15 AM »
Oh yes!!!
Thanks for all responses and the posted pic.
Now, I know much more about it.

nippon

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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2007, 04:28:27 AM »
Here's a Russ Collins' version


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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2007, 05:17:22 AM »
Nice, but where is the oil tank on the RC Honda?

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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2007, 07:32:36 AM »
Yes that is certainly a Drouin. Still looks home made though:)
I don't know what kind of blower that is, Drouin claims to use a "centrifugal" blower but in all the pictures I can find - they were popular on Nortons and even HD as well as Honda 750s - the blower is a 2-shaft unit that looks exactly like either a Roots or screw type compressor and nothing like any Paxton or other centrifugal unit I've ever seen. Strange.
There are some scooter nuts locally that used automotive air blowers -  a smallish vane compressor that blows air into the exhaust to complete combustion - as a supercharger. I don't know if it adds more power than it takes, but a Vespa with a blower looks and sounds pretty wild. I don't think these would pump enough volume for much more than a lawnmower motor.

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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2007, 08:19:07 AM »
Got some further informations at:

http://au.geocities.com/norton_commando_riders/charger.htm

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2007, 12:45:29 PM »
I had one fitted to my F2 in the 80's. Still got it but impeller and shaft are shagged. They are a real hoot but need a lot of engine work to use 10 + lbs boost. It looks like a roots type from that side but it is a centrifugal type, the first belt is drive to a second  adjustable slipper belt and this is how you adjust boost. I didn't have the fuel injection, when i got mine it had a modded Bendix and would tickover steady at 1000 RPM if you wanted. The sound of the belts and induction roar are out of this world. The problems are if you have long legs it hits the blower, heat, fuel consumption and the noise after 60 mile on the motorway becomes unbearable.  but it looks the dog's


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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2007, 12:52:53 PM »
http://www.procharger.com/motorcycle.shtml

Contact procharger, maybe an engineer would take on a side project.
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2007, 07:36:29 AM »
We REALLY need to figure out how to make one of these!
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Re: SuperCharger Info needed
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2007, 06:46:34 PM »
The instructions on the one page mention removing the carbs.  Does a different intake manifold get bolted on or are they put back on and linked to the sc with a carb hat like some of the older turbo big blocks?

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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2007, 07:38:46 PM »
You can see the manifold on the advertisment pic http://img186.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73414_4-26-2006_7-53-19_PM_0044_122_84lo.jpg.
There's either a carb on the blower inlet or some sort of fuel injection - probably something pretty basic compared to modern EFI.
This large manifold full of pressurized fuel/air mixture is the main weakness of single carb blower systems, if/when the engine backfires through a stuck or leaky intake valve the manifold explodes. Supercharging a modern multiport EFI system that has an injector at every intake port is a lot safer. Some car engines are even very friendly to supercharging, with intake air flow sensors and a stock EFI map that will accept a moderate boost pressure nicely.

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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2007, 10:18:58 PM »
Oh my... If an engineer would build a production run of blowers for a 750 you can count me in for one for SURE!

I'll be majoring in mechanic engineering at Virginia Tech over the next few years, and this would make an excellent senior project!
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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2007, 09:23:47 AM »
Loudpipe - if you're really interested, lets collaborate!
I'm a ME major myself, and this could be a cool project!
I spent several years as a machinist and CNC programmer, and still have access to tools.

I wonder what we could come up with.............
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