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Running in place...
« on: July 23, 2007, 09:12:44 PM »
Ok, I've got the nasty, dirty carbs cleaned up (Pics of dirty carbs were too large for some dumb reason - maybe the dirt!  ;))  She's still not road worthy for both mechanical (working on it) and legal (title - also in the works) reasons.  In the mean time, I don't want to lose what I've gained, so how often should I run the engine and should I rev it or just let it idle?

Got dirty bowl pic cut down to size...
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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 09:22:43 PM »
Why let any fuel in them at all until you are ready?  My new carbs are doing fine on a shelf until final assembly.

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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 09:26:59 PM »
Well, I wanted to make sure that was the only problem with the engine before proceeding forward...

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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 09:53:40 PM »
Sorry, you didn't elaborate on what was next ;D  Have you run it now that the carbs are done and there are still issues with them? If it's going to sit for a bit with fuel, just ad some Stabil to the fuel.

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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 11:47:20 PM »
Run it about once a week with a fan blowing on the engine.  Or, drain bowls the bowls and spray them with WD-40.

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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2007, 12:20:14 AM »
hey TT.wd40 just once after the drain.as in good for the winter storage
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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2007, 06:11:56 AM »
Seaweb, she runs like a top!  Couple quick trips around the block and the engine feels strong and even.  Tached it out a bit (around 6k) and didn't miss a beat.

TT, how long should I let it run and should it just idle or should I rev it?  My hope is to get it on the road before winter, so don't want to take the winterization step yet... ;D

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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2007, 02:10:38 PM »
Fuel resting in the float bowls forms a meniscus in tiny passagways.  As the carbs are vented to the atmosphere, evaporation takes place at this area and deposits form, resulting in a narrowing of the fuel passageway.  The slow jet orifice is usually above the fuel level and dried fuel deposits act to further narrow or even plug this restrictor.

Agitated, flowing fuel can cleanse these deposits if the buildup is not too severe and if they are not fully hardened.  Humidity and termperature play a large part in both the build rate up AND the cleaning action, too.

Draining and coating the carb internals with WD-40 helps keep oxygen and moisture away from the metal surfaces that may instigate corrosion flakes.  Although the WD-40 oils may congeal over time, they won't harden, and fresh gasoline will soften them enough to flow through the engine.

For the purpose of keeping just the carbs cleaned with gasoline flow through, a once a week run for a few minutes should suffice.  However, the engine crankcase is also vented to the atmosphere.  And, the internal formation of condensate each time the outside temp is cooler than inside, is more prevalent during short engine temperature cycles.  Water in the oil is a very bad thing and prolonged contact of water with oil forms amino acids that begin to dissolve metal as well as promote internal rusting.  To get rid of the condensate, the entire engine unit must reach a temperature sufficient to vaporize the water accumulation.  An oil temperature of 160-180 degrees for 10-15 minutes is often enough to acheive this.  Since the engine is air cooled without any means of temperature stabilization, the run time to achieve this varies greatly.  In the summer, 10-15 minutes of operation may be all that's required.  In the winter, at very cold temperatures, 30 minutes may not be enough!

This is why winterization proceedures exist.

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hey TT.wd40 just once after the drain.as in good for the winter storage
Yes. For one winter.  If you can plastic bag the carb bank after treatment, the better.  Even better is if you throw in a small bag of dessicant and seal the plastic bag.  That should be good for ten years or more.

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TT, how long should I let it run and should it just idle or should I rev it? 

If you rev it in place, remember it is air cooled.  For just keeping carbs cleaned, 5 minutes at idle should do it, in order to keep the tiny slow jets clear.  Seems unlikely you can resist reving it a few times.  ;D   However, then there is the oil temp, condensation thing...  :-\

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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2007, 02:22:15 PM »
And then there's the deadly condensation in the exhaust-extremly deadly for the K 4 into4 pipes, but an important issue for all bikes.  With the stock K pipes, it is best if you can ride it for at least 20 minutes- not possible in your situation.  So my suggestion is to drain, run dry, whatever you can do to get the gas out and resolove those other issues so you can RIDE!!
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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2007, 02:46:54 PM »
Thanks for the details TT.  I'm a detail guy! ;D

333, I'm holding out hope for being able to RIDE before winter, so I think I'll leave her fueled for now, but thanks for the input.  Besides, being able to start it at least keeps the hope alive!  ;)

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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2007, 02:57:07 PM »
I'm a firm believer in Seafoam as a routine fuel additive to keep deposits to a minimum.  When you get her street legal, I'd say run her with the first few tank fulls each mixed with 1/3 to half can of Seafoam.  Then, to keep the system clean, run one ounce Seafoam per gallon there after. 
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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2007, 03:05:40 PM »
Thanks Old School.  I understand Seafoam (a can of which I already have on hand by the way) is a good fuel stabilizer as well.  Is that adequate for "wintering" rather than the WD-40 route, especially if I hope to take her out on the "Indian Summer" days that sometimes occur here in Pittsburgh?

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Re: Running in place...
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2007, 03:14:44 PM »
I'm sure this is NOT recommended by many people on this site... but I keep 'Ol Yeller ready to roll year round with just a maintenance load of Seafoam in the tank.  Michigan too has many "ridable" days in the dead of winter.  Last year, I actually logged miles for every month of the year!

I know a lot of people think that's crazy, but I had an instructor once that road EVERY day of the year, didn't matter the weather.  He had different bikes set up for different conditions, but ride he did!
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