Author Topic: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.  (Read 8343 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline GroovieGhoulie

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,753
  • I have to return some videotapes.
WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« on: August 09, 2007, 12:01:57 PM »


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...ndow/article.do

Homeowner arrested after the burglar he confronted fell 30ft and died

08.08.07

A homeowner was arrested after a burglar plunged from the balcony of his top-floor flat and later died in hospital.

The intruder suffered head injuries and died in hospital after falling around 30ft on to a concrete path.

Patrick Walsh, 56, awoke to find an intruder in his flat on Corkland Road in Chorlton-cum-Hardy, south Manchester.

The burglar fell from this third floor window

Police say "following an exchange of words" the 43-year-old suspect fell from the fourth floor window on to the pavement below.

He suffered massive injuries from the fall, at around 6.10am on Monday.

The man was taken to Manchester Royal Infirmary with serious head injuries before being transferred to Hope Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at about 11am today.

Police conducted a detailed forensic examination of the flat after the incident.

Walsh was arrested on suspicion of causing serious bodily harm and bailed until November pending further police inquirers.

His solicitor, Victor Wozny, said today: "My client is not at liberty to say anything because he is under police bail.

"However we appreciate that the public view might be that this is a man arrested in his own home defending his own property."

A spokeswoman for Greater Manchester Police said, "Inquiries are ongoing to establish the circumstances surrounding this incident.

"A 56-year-old man from Chorlton has been arrested on suspicion of section 18 assault and bailed, pending further inquiries."

The pair argued and the confrontation moved towards the rear window of the flat.

It is believed the intruder then smashed the window and clambered out on to a narrow ledge and fell to the ground.

Mr Walsh phoned police and at around 6.30am officers found the man on the ground outside the smart Victorian apartment block in Chorlton-cum-Hardy,

He was taken to hospital with serious head injuries.

Officers arrested Mr Walsh on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm with intent and are trying to establish whether the intruder was forced out of the window.

The arrest is expected to fuel arguments about the rights of householders to defend themselves against burglars.

The issue has been high on the law and order agenda since farmer Tony Martin was jailed for shooting dead a burglar in 1999.

Following the Martin affair the Crown Prosecution Service and the Association of Chief Police Officers said any householder can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others, or to carry out an arrest or to prevent crime.

A neighbour said: "Police arrived in what seemed to be minutes and were there for the whole day.

"It's shocking to find out what has happened but people shouldn't break into other people's houses."

Another resident said: "I presume we will have to respect the burglar's rights while his victim has the nightmare of court hanging over his head. It all seems so unfair."

A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police said they had been called following reports that an intruder had fallen from a top-floor flat.

"Following an exchange of words, the alleged burglar was found unconscious on the pavement outside the flat.

"It is believed that he had fallen from the fourth-floor window."

Mr Walsh has been released on bail until November. If charged and convicted he could face a life sentence.

Offline GroovieGhoulie

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,753
  • I have to return some videotapes.
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2007, 12:02:19 PM »
Wrong forum.  Please move to General Discussion (GD).

Offline gregimotis

  • poet laureate; SOHC4.
  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 784
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2007, 01:16:40 PM »



Again, as with the self defense thread a couple days ago:


If ya hadn't been in another person's apartment, then you wouldn't have 'fallen' out the window in the first place.  Case closed.
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

Offline malcolmgb

  • What am I not? an
  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,402
  • The BEST 400 four by far
    • malcnet
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2007, 01:27:46 PM »
Hmmm, unfortunately here in the UK our criminals are bad losers, they want Heads I win Tails you lose.
Malcolm

Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.

1977 CB400F
1973 CL175 K7
1976 XL175 - Sold
1964 CL72
1966 CA78
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=gallery;su=user;u=1988

Offline mark

  • finds nothing amusing about being an
  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,939
  • we're out here and this is where we are.
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2007, 01:44:32 PM »
Give Mr. Suspect a Darwin Award and be done with it.
1976 CB550K, 1973 CB350G, 1964 C100

F you mark...... F you.

Offline oldfordguy

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 132
  • A sheepdog.
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2007, 01:50:02 PM »
If this is the way things are now in the UK, the real criminals are the ones making your laws!

Offline Sam Green Racing

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 16,069
  • I REALLY? hate black rims.
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2007, 02:07:20 PM »
It's the human rights people that have forced the government to pass these laws.

I wonder how one of these human rights people would react if they were woken and found a burgler in their bedroom.

The country has gone to pot, it is full of arse holes that have a load of arse holes protecting them.

Sam.
C95 sprint bike.
CB95 hybrid race bike
CB95 race bike
CB92
RS 175. sprint/land speed bike
JMR Racing CB750A street ET drag bike

Offline gregimotis

  • poet laureate; SOHC4.
  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 784
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2007, 04:02:21 PM »
I wonder how one of these human rights people would react if they were woken and found a burgler in their bedroom.

Sam.

They would meekly give the burglar whatever was demanded, and then sue their fellow citizens (via the government) for failing to protect them.

Also, write books explaining why this was the fault conservatives.
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

Offline edbikerii

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,128
    • Gallery
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2007, 04:06:04 PM »
Good thing he didn't shoot that bastard theif.  He'd be marching to the gallows by now.
SOHC4 #289
1977 CB550K - SOLD
1997 YAMAHA XJ600S - SOLD
1986 GL1200I - SOLD
2004 BMW R1150R

Jetting: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=20869.msg258435#msg258435
Needles:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=20869.msg253711#msg253711

fuzzybutt

  • Guest
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2007, 04:42:25 PM »
the homeowners only mistake was letting the police find the body. i'm in the same boat here in south carolina. heaven forbid i shoot an intruder in my home, not only can i go to prison if i cant prove i was in imminent danger (and thats not as easy as you might think) then i'm still open to a lawsuit from the scumbags family.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2007, 04:46:59 PM by fuzzybutt »

Rocking-M

  • Guest
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2007, 06:55:27 PM »
Hey, I thought SC had revised that law, in favor of the home owner?

Offline BobbyR

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,365
  • Proud Owner of the Babe Thread & Dirty Old Man
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2007, 07:51:58 PM »
the homeowners only mistake was letting the police find the body. i'm in the same boat here in south carolina. heaven forbid i shoot an intruder in my home, not only can i go to prison if i cant prove i was in imminent danger (and thats not as easy as you might think) then i'm still open to a lawsuit from the scumbags family.
Oh you can show you were in fear of you and your families life. Check the classifieds under Guns for sale.
Dedicated to Sgt. Howard Bruckner 1950 - 1969. KIA LONG KHANH.

But we were boys, and boys will be boys, and so they will. To us, everything was dangerous, but what of that? Had we not been made to live forever?

Offline Joel

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 718
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2007, 09:24:20 PM »
If ya hadn't been in another person's apartment, then you wouldn't have 'fallen' out the window in the first place.  Case closed.

Exactly.  Common sense doesn't seem to be so common anymore.

Offline oldbiker

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,101
  • I HATE RAIN
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2007, 01:39:45 AM »
I would rather get out of Europe and become the 51st state of the US if we could stop the stupidity that has been inflicted on us by the government over the last 10 years.

Offline SteveD CB500F

  • Global Moderator
  • Old Timer
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,553
  • Ride on the Steel Breeze...
    • TVAM
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2007, 02:33:40 AM »
Don't forget guys that there are two free London newspapers that vie for the attention of the commuters every morning. This one is owned by Associated Newspapers, publishers of the revered Daily Mail...

I'm not saying the basic facts are incorrect, just that the spin is aimed at gaining attention (like any tabloid)

I have no doubt that the court's verdict (if it ever gets that far) will be printed on page 25 column 16 in 9 point text.

The infamous case of the farmer who shot the burglar and went to jail had a rather different background, as the guy shot a 16 year old in the back with a shotgun as he was climbing through a window. Even the gun totting amongst you would have to agree that that was a little extreme.
SOHC4 Member #2393
2015 Tiger 800 XRT
1971 CB500K0 (US Model)

Offline spitfire

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 494
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2007, 02:44:39 AM »
You can't infringe a smack head's "human right" to burgle your house and steal your property in the UK, in fact if you don't help him carry out the heavier items you could probably be done under Health and Safety legislation.
Having been out of the UK from 1994 to 2004 I was astonished to find out about all this rubbish when I came back, as far as I am concerned someone breaking into my house has put himself (or herself, or itself) outside of the protection of society and has no rights whatsover.

Cheers

Den
Wirral UK
1976 CB750F1 bought new in 76
1977 CB750F2: Restoration started
1964 BSA A65R: Waiting restoration
My gallery is here: http://www.sohc4.us/gallery/v/members/personal/spitfire/?g2_navId=x5a30f7b6

Offline racerx95

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 99
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2007, 03:40:09 AM »
now you cant blame the system, YOU are the system.Do you even have the power to vote over their in your socialist nightmare?Even over here we let a hand full of wack jobs dictate whats good for us,meaning more and more government in our lives, im surprised we dont have to wear a helmut , or be taxed just to walk down the street,(end rant).

Offline edbikerii

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,128
    • Gallery
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2007, 04:23:37 AM »
Don't forget guys that there are two free London newspapers that vie for the attention of the commuters every morning. This one is owned by Associated Newspapers, publishers of the revered Daily Mail...

I'm not saying the basic facts are incorrect, just that the spin is aimed at gaining attention (like any tabloid)

I have no doubt that the court's verdict (if it ever gets that far) will be printed on page 25 column 16 in 9 point text.

The infamous case of the farmer who shot the burglar and went to jail had a rather different background, as the guy shot a 16 year old in the back with a shotgun as he was climbing through a window. Even the gun totting amongst you would have to agree that that was a little extreme.

No!  Shooting a home invader is not extreme at all.  While saying the assailant was a "16 year old" and was "shot in the back" certainly appeals to emotional concerns, the fact is this "16 year old" was entering another persons home and jeopardizing the rightful owner's and his family's safety.  I don't know about you, but at 16 I was 6'1" and close to 200lbs.  I was certainly fit enough to do an awful lot of damage, and I was not even the biggest guy around.  Plus, I wasn't the type of theiving bastard that would invade someone else's home in the middle of the night.

What do you think that 16 year old assailant would have done had the farmer's daughter woken up and "asked him to leave"?  What if he had caught the farmer by surprise?  You don't suppose the theif bothered to ring the doorbell to see if anybody was home before he targeted this house, prised open that window and decided to just climb on in without regard for the rightful occupants?

That farmer was 100% in the right.  It is a twisted value system indeed that convicts a man for protecting his person, his family, and his rightfully obtained possessions from thieving bastard home invaders who sneak in windows in the middle of the night.
SOHC4 #289
1977 CB550K - SOLD
1997 YAMAHA XJ600S - SOLD
1986 GL1200I - SOLD
2004 BMW R1150R

Jetting: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=20869.msg258435#msg258435
Needles:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=20869.msg253711#msg253711

Offline BobbyR

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,365
  • Proud Owner of the Babe Thread & Dirty Old Man
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2007, 06:09:24 AM »
Don't forget guys that there are two free London newspapers that vie for the attention of the commuters every morning. This one is owned by Associated Newspapers, publishers of the revered Daily Mail...

I'm not saying the basic facts are incorrect, just that the spin is aimed at gaining attention (like any tabloid)

I have no doubt that the court's verdict (if it ever gets that far) will be printed on page 25 column 16 in 9 point text.

The infamous case of the farmer who shot the burglar and went to jail had a rather different background, as the guy shot a 16 year old in the back with a shotgun as he was climbing through a window. Even the gun totting amongst you would have to agree that that was a little extreme.

No!  Shooting a home invader is not extreme at all.  While saying the assailant was a "16 year old" and was "shot in the back" certainly appeals to emotional concerns, the fact is this "16 year old" was entering another persons home and jeopardizing the rightful owner's and his family's safety.  I don't know about you, but at 16 I was 6'1" and close to 200lbs.  I was certainly fit enough to do an awful lot of damage, and I was not even the biggest guy around.  Plus, I wasn't the type of theiving bastard that would invade someone else's home in the middle of the night.

What do you think that 16 year old assailant would have done had the farmer's daughter woken up and "asked him to leave"?  What if he had caught the farmer by surprise?  You don't suppose the theif bothered to ring the doorbell to see if anybody was home before he targeted this house, prised open that window and decided to just climb on in without regard for the rightful occupants?

That farmer was 100% in the right.  It is a twisted value system indeed that convicts a man for protecting his person, his family, and his rightfully obtained possessions from thieving bastard home invaders who sneak in windows in the middle of the night.
As a gun toting Yank, the code of the West is to not shoot a Man in the back. In that case I would have convicted the guy. There is a difference between defense and vengence. The guy who threw that yo yo out the window speaks to some sort of struggle. Of course that idiot could have run away from the guy and ran out on the balcony and fell off. In any case there is no loss to society.








Dedicated to Sgt. Howard Bruckner 1950 - 1969. KIA LONG KHANH.

But we were boys, and boys will be boys, and so they will. To us, everything was dangerous, but what of that? Had we not been made to live forever?

Offline edbikerii

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,128
    • Gallery
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2007, 06:47:51 AM »
"Code of the West" stuff SOUNDS great when you're fighting "man-to-man" on the playground in elementary school.  All bets are off when a home invader sneaks into a man's castle in the middle of the night and endangers him and his family.

Apparently the assailant didn't concern himself with the possibility that the victims were home.  He sure didn't ring the doorbell.  What was he planning to do if somebody woke up?  Run?

Truth be told, I'D LIKE TO THINK that I wouldn't have shot the invader.  I'd LIKE TO THINK that I would have held him at gunpoint until the police arrived.  What I THINK I would do is not the point however.  The farmer was the innocent victim of a home invasion through no fault of his own, and ended up getting convicted because of a twisted morality system.

As a gun toting Yank, the code of the West is to not shoot a Man in the back. In that case I would have convicted the guy. There is a difference between defense and vengence. The guy who threw that yo yo out the window speaks to some sort of struggle. Of course that idiot could have run away from the guy and ran out on the balcony and fell off. In any case there is no loss to society.
SOHC4 #289
1977 CB550K - SOLD
1997 YAMAHA XJ600S - SOLD
1986 GL1200I - SOLD
2004 BMW R1150R

Jetting: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=20869.msg258435#msg258435
Needles:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=20869.msg253711#msg253711

Offline BobbyR

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,365
  • Proud Owner of the Babe Thread & Dirty Old Man
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2007, 07:23:00 AM »
"Code of the West" stuff SOUNDS great when you're fighting "man-to-man" on the playground in elementary school.  All bets are off when a home invader sneaks into a man's castle in the middle of the night and endangers him and his family.

Apparently the assailant didn't concern himself with the possibility that the victims were home.  He sure didn't ring the doorbell.  What was he planning to do if somebody woke up?  Run?

Truth be told, I'D LIKE TO THINK that I wouldn't have shot the invader.  I'd LIKE TO THINK that I would have held him at gunpoint until the police arrived.  What I THINK I would do is not the point however.  The farmer was the innocent victim of a home invasion through no fault of his own, and ended up getting convicted because of a twisted morality system.

As a gun toting Yank, the code of the West is to not shoot a Man in the back. In that case I would have convicted the guy. There is a difference between defense and vengence. The guy who threw that yo yo out the window speaks to some sort of struggle. Of course that idiot could have run away from the guy and ran out on the balcony and fell off. In any case there is no loss to society.
Even here in the Peoples Republic of NY you have a right to self defense which has loosened a lot over the years. However, if someone is "crawling out" of your window they are moving away from you that is a tough one to defend. I had some Ahole try to break into a Cabin in Maine my wife and I were staying in. He shook the house so much walking on the porch it felt earthquake.
Long story short, when he saw me with the Pistol he ran. I fired, but not at him. I just wanted to send a message. Having been a PO just before that time I knew if I shot that Pr1ck in the back, life would become complicated.
Dedicated to Sgt. Howard Bruckner 1950 - 1969. KIA LONG KHANH.

But we were boys, and boys will be boys, and so they will. To us, everything was dangerous, but what of that? Had we not been made to live forever?

Offline Wheelhorse77

  • She's got some Juice
  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 198
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2007, 08:14:18 AM »

Crimals and rights >:(  They mix like oil and vinegar.
77 750F2 ressurected from the dead
ASE Advanced Level Master Tech

Offline edbikerii

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,128
    • Gallery
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2007, 08:14:45 AM »
Yeah, as a kid in the Bronx, I caught a guy trying to break into my old '70 Mustang (equiped with silent pager alarm).  I shouted a warning first, then put a round into the dirt in the park behind him.  I could swear I saw skid-marks in his pants as he ran like hell into the park!

Funny thing, nobody even called the cops about the shooting.  Shots fired in the Bronx don't even surprise people.

Even here in the Peoples Republic of NY you have a right to self defense which has loosened a lot over the years. However, if someone is "crawling out" of your window they are moving away from you that is a tough one to defend. I had some Ahole try to break into a Cabin in Maine my wife and I were staying in. He shook the house so much walking on the porch it felt earthquake.
Long story short, when he saw me with the Pistol he ran. I fired, but not at him. I just wanted to send a message. Having been a PO just before that time I knew if I shot that Pr1ck in the back, life would become complicated.
SOHC4 #289
1977 CB550K - SOLD
1997 YAMAHA XJ600S - SOLD
1986 GL1200I - SOLD
2004 BMW R1150R

Jetting: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=20869.msg258435#msg258435
Needles:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=20869.msg253711#msg253711

Offline oldfordguy

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 132
  • A sheepdog.
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2007, 08:17:50 AM »
Good job, you had the chance to stop a thief from continuing to rob (and/or rape, pillage, etc) your friends, neighbors, and other fellow citizens, but you chose to let him run off so that he could terrorize and steal from them in the future instead. ???  As a member of a free society, it is your duty to not let this happen.  That is why we have such a huge crime problem, people refuse to fulfill their obligation to society and take care of these problems once and for all when they happen.  If someone is in your house without an invitation, they have already given their consent to be killed, period.  That's what "Castle Doctrine" laws are for, they do away with this stupid "you must retreat from a confrontation if possible" that has been kicking around in our court system.

upperlake04

  • Guest
Re: WTH is wrong with the Brits? This is ridiculous.
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2007, 08:34:15 AM »
  If someone is in your house without an invitation, they have already given their consent to be killed, period. 

  Golly OFG, thats a tough stand. Agreed the 'guest' is wrong and should pay but thats a head for a tooth.  Even so,  I'd rather have you for a neighbor than the 'guest' :)