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Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« on: July 09, 2005, 11:25:11 AM »
Hello everyone,

That's right, I have recently become the proud owner of a 1975 400 SS and it shouldn't take too much to put it back on the road.
The main hurdle currently is the front end. The previous owner was pulling out of a parking lot and ran into a car that was pulling in and the front end got all twisted up. I have loosened the triple clamps and tried to "shake" out the front end. Not too bad now and I don't think the fork tubes are bent. I am thinking now that the stem inside the head tube is a little tweaked and this is now causing the upper triple clamp to NOT be directly over the lower, therefore I cannot get the front end perfect. This is the part where everybody sends me all of the simple solutions.... hopefully.


Another question - what size socket do I need to remove and inspect the spark plugs. (I did not inherit the original tool kit)

Inside the tank is very clean. I will change the oil however it too looks amazingly clean inside the engine.

I will need to recover the seat or find a replacement. Of course it needs a battery.

I am in need of a front fender, ignition switch, and replacement chain and sprockets. Oh yeah and the title. The previous owner has all of these items somewhere in his house however hasn’t come across them yet.

I have been studying the SOHC website and conversing with another member for a few weeks now. Any comments or suggestions are welcome. I am looking forward to hearing the old thing run again. I helped put this thing on the road before and can’t wait to see it go.

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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2005, 12:37:16 PM »
I think i am heading out to take the front end apart now. I had it apart over the holiday weekend but not the headset. Since I now have the Service Manual I will dig deeper.

What is a Spirit Level? What is the chances of getting a replacement triple clamp and stem? I have non seen an aftermarket one yet on the internet.

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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2005, 01:06:30 PM »
Here in the new world, we just call 'em 'levels'.
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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2005, 02:39:27 PM »
Here in the new world, we just call 'em 'levels'.

That's the spirit. ;D
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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2005, 03:12:52 PM »
A spirit level is when you just drink enough to make everything look level  ;)
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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2005, 03:46:20 PM »
Once you know the fork tubes are straight, clamp them in the triple tree assembly and set them on blocks so the fork tubes are level (off the frame). The stem tube must be level too. Have an assistant hold the thing rotated 90 degrees with the fork tube still level, the stem tube again must be level. You don't need the top bridge on for this but it helps hold the fork tubes straight. Obviously there's nothing to tighten the stem nut onto so leave it off or it will just twist the thing strangely.
Be careful disassenbling the bearings, the balls will want to fall out and get lost. Put the correct number of balls back in, pretty easy if you stick them in the race with grease.

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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2005, 05:03:02 PM »
Thanks everybody for all of the comments. It turns out that both fork tubes have a slight bend. I was able to roll then on a flat surface to verify. I also double-checked with a straight edge. I think the frame is fine and the triple clamp for now.

Does anybody know if fork tubes are available anywhere? Most of the bone yards around Philadelphia seemed to have gotten rid of anything older than 1980.


I think I will have some spirits tonight. I hope I can stay level headed while drinking. hehehe

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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2005, 11:36:35 PM »
Stop that. >:(

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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2005, 06:02:15 AM »
A spirit level is when you just drink enough to make everything look level  ;)

There's a little office complex in Salt Lake, developed by a general contractor, called "Plumb Level Square".

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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2005, 06:24:19 AM »
www.davidsilverspares.co.uk for fork tubes ( as they are called in UK)
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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2005, 09:26:24 AM »
There's no problem straightening fork tubes.  There are a lot of outfits that perform that service.  You should have less than $100 invested in that part of the project.

I agree.  But, the last time I suggested that in this forum, I got lambasted as that being an unsafe thing to do.
Aparently "real" mechanics only replace these things. $$$
harumph.
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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2005, 10:52:19 AM »
If you decide not to try to straighten the tubes let me know.  I have a set of 400 forks I'll let go for
$25.00 plus shipping.  However, they will need new fork seals and fluid.

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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2005, 01:05:52 PM »
I climbed a parking lot curb once with my 77 CB550F while avoiding a broadside with a car whose driver looked me square in the eye and then pulled out anyway.
Since I didn't transfer all my weight to the foot pegs, the bike bucked me off at the curb and then fell over in the grass and mud.  If you're going to drop it, that's a pretty good place, I found out.   Pity, *I* dropped on the pavement, ouch.  Anyway, I rode the bike home, 7 miles.  I staightened or replaced the obviously bent, broken bits.   But, the forks didn't seem bent.  Sure enough though, a couple months later I noticed the fork seals were leaking.  I dismantled the forks and rolled them on the cast iron top of my table saw; flop, flop, flop.  Dang these tubes only had 9K miles on them and were wonderful in every other way.  I spent some time eyeballing the tubes with occassional glances in the dirrection of my 12 ton hydraulic press.  I made some measurement to find the crown peak of the bend in the tube, and located where the tubes were still straight using line of sight and straight edges.  Then I made grease pencil marks where the pressures needed to be applied.  I made wooden cradles for a fork tube with radial arm saw and a router, as well as a wooden shoe to go on the press ram.  I put the tubes in the press fixture, pumped up the pressure and carefully watched the deflection and the springback after pressure release.   It was a repetative process, with frequent roll checks and then feeler guage measurements between fork tube and table saw top, until they were straight again.  That was about nine years ago, the forks work fine and the seals still don't leak.  There were never any kinks in the tubes.
I straightened a set forks from a CB400F a few years later using the same procoess.  But, I don't know where that bike is today.
It can be done.
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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2005, 06:52:43 PM »
Just in case anybody is still following my project.....I ran the bike some more..it seems to be coming back to life nicely after 12 years of silence. I think number 3 and 4 carb float are a little stuck but seem to be getting better. I may need to go in for a look but will give them a chance on the own to start acting right. I now need a throttle cable also, that broke while I was fussing with it and bringing it back from the dead.

What I have learned so far is that its an 18mm spark plug socket for removing plugs. Also the little rocker arm inspection covers are fragile on a 30 year old motor cycle. I cracked one while re-installing after verify I had oil and everything was functioning in the top end.

Send comments, I like to know tomorrow what I may not find out on my own until next week. I like working smarter not harder. 

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Re: Recently inherited 1975 400 SS
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2005, 07:08:09 AM »
I have a set of 400 forks I'll let go for
$25.00 plus shipping.

You can't get a better deal than that.