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Offline Dunk

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CB750K2 WOT issues...
« on: August 31, 2007, 08:21:09 PM »
I have a '72 CB750 when I wing the throttle open quickly it will stumble and buck, go farther adn it gets worse... All the way and it'll actually stall out, let off and once you close the throttle to a certain point it runs like mad. At first I thoguht you jsut had to get into the throttle more slowly since there's no accelerator pump. But when the engine is revved up nice and good and you go WOT it still stumbles a bit. I think maybe it is leaning out at WOT. Maybe needs larger jets or needles with different taper? What do you guys think?

Can you guys just stab your throttle to wide open at any RPM and the bike goes with no stumble or miss? On my dirt bike (same VV style carb as my CB750) You can pretty much stab it wide open at any RPM and it goes. Only a couple times has it had any stumble from that, but I needed to downshift. I wouldn't expect the bike to just go in the two or three times the dirt bike has stumbles or bogged from too much throttle.

Bike has 2 into 1 sidepipes on each side and a chrome air filter that probably flows a little more than the stock restrictive looking plastic box. Engine has a Dyna-S and Dyna 3 ohm coils, new 8mm spark plug wires and plugs. When I first got the bike together and running I took the carbs apart and cleaned them out really good, put them together and got the flaots all at the same level. That's all that comes to mind that may be pertinant to this issue. Let me know waht you guys think about it. Thanks.

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Re: CB750K2 WOT issues...
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2007, 08:53:32 PM »
Well Cadunkle..........It looks like it is time for you to enroll in the SOHC4 university of Carburetors!!!!!! The first thing you should do is ID your bike AND carbs. Do you have any manuals? What kind of pre carb work have you done?(timing,valve,camchain adjustment). When people tell me they have CLEANED their carbs.......It really doesn't tell me anything. The carbs are pretty darn simple but if you miss one little item or make a wrong adjustment......you could end up like a dog chasin' his tail!!!! If you put up more info,you will get more suggestions. One thing I will say.....when you adjust your floats to spec.......it don't mean sh!t!!!! You have to determine if you have the same amount of fuel in every bowl. When all is adjusted,set up,cleaned,etc.,etc..........the carb synch should bring it all together. If you have some bucks to spend on tools and time/ patience.......you will be amazed at what you can do. Get to reading and wrenching and DO NOT be afraid to ask questions on this site. ENJOY YOUR SCOOTER!!!!
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Re: CB750K2 WOT issues...
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2007, 09:20:08 PM »
Does it blow lots of black smoke when you turn it towards wot?
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Re: CB750K2 WOT issues...
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2007, 09:26:43 PM »
Good question but don't confuse him!!!!
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Re: CB750K2 WOT issues...
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2007, 06:23:36 AM »
Doesn't really blow any smoke. When I really get on it (rolling into it quixkly) it'll some times make a few wisps of dark smoke, but not nearly what my buddy's 11000 Shadow does when he goes wide open. That bike smokes a bit when you get on it, mine doesn't seem to.

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Re: CB750K2 WOT issues...
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2007, 07:23:16 AM »
At first I thoguht you jsut had to get into the throttle more slowly since there's no accelerator pump.

Can you guys just stab your throttle to wide open at any RPM and the bike goes with no stumble or miss?

Is the first sentence a true statement?  I can't take my 350F from idle to full throttle either.  The bike starts on the first kick and will rev all the way to redline with no popping or anything coming back down.  But me, definately not idle to full throttle (unless I feel like stalling it)...
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Re: CB750K2 WOT issues...
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2007, 07:39:20 AM »
cadunkle: Have you seen the forum Carb FAQ?

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Re: CB750K2 WOT issues...
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2007, 08:01:48 AM »
First thing Id do is drop the bowls and check condition of the jets. Make sure they are very clean. My K2 had similar issues at start of the year but playing around with the jets helped me immensely! Can be done with carbs on the bike. 

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Re: CB750K2 WOT issues...
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2007, 10:08:20 AM »
Mechanical slide carbs need a rich mixture or an accelerator pump for rapid changes in throttle position.
When you snap open the carb slides, the vacuum in the carb throats rises toward atmospheric pressure.  The vacuum is what draws fuel through the fuel jets.
The venturi's pressure drop at higher air velocities provide this vacuum effect.  But, at low RPMs the vacuum is maintained by the near closed slides AND the restriction provided by the intake filter.
Your low restriction pod filters don't flow any more at idle than the stock filter.  The engine mechanical efficiency determines that.
But, it does effect the depth of vacuum at idle and thus the amount of fuel drawn through the jets.  Pod filters will lean the idle mixture, producing a wheeze effect when opening the throttle slides too rapidly.

If you want to snap open the throttle using this type of carb you will have to richen up the fuel flow.

Choices,
- Put the stock filter back on, or...
- close off the air screws (turn yours in) to richen the idle position mixture.  (Effects are limited.) and, or...
- raise the float level in the carb bowl to make it easier for gas to reach the carb throat. and/or...
- increase the size of the slow jet, raise the slide needles, and increase main jet size.

Of course, fuel economy will likely worsen with richer mixtures, if that's any concern.

Cheers,

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Buddy's 1100 might have CV carbs AND an accelerator pump (or fuel injection?).  These differences insulate engine needs from rider throttle position changes.
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