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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2007, 02:23:21 AM »
Oh no, an oil thread :o


I've only ever had two engines built from the ground up, one is the 3.2L V6 in my old ford Sierra which, because the car was mainly a tow-car, got pretty much used and abused from the day it was installed The engine is now 7 years and 160,000 miles old and nicely run in 8)

The other engine was a 1.6L steel cranked 10,000rpm screamer that I had built for my Mk1 Golf hill climb car.  That one got treated with kid gloves and given about 500 gentle road miles before it's competition debut, and turned itself into a very expensive doorstop after only three meetings >:(



The next engine I have built will be the one in my 550, and Mr Rieck will definitely be doing the honours (I've now just got to acquire the suitcase full of Benjamins in readiness), so I'm watching this motor with baited breath ;D
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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2007, 08:03:57 AM »
     Sparty, do ya have a plan on how to run the engine for the first 500-1000 miles of break-in?  Honda says to run their stock CB750 motors below 6000rpm for the first 1000 miles at varying speeds. Sam and Chris have been drag racing theirs after 20 minutes of idling. There's a few different schools of thought on this so would be curious as to what advice you received.

     I've got a lot of twisty roads nearby so usually will spend the weekend running through them at an easy pace. About 250 miles of varying speeds and engine accel/decel. After the first 20 miles I'll do a short, hot run up through the first three gears. At 500 miles I'll go up to 7500rpm, at 1000 miles I stop looking at the tach. Not giving advice, just wanting to compare notes.


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     Sparty, do ya have a plan on how to run the engine for the first 500-1000 miles of break-in?  Honda says to run their stock CB750 motors below 6000rpm for the first 1000 miles at varying speeds. Sam and Chris have been drag racing theirs after 20 minutes of idling. There's a few different schools of thought on this so would be curious as to what advice you received.

     I've got a lot of twisty roads nearby so usually will spend the weekend running through them at an easy pace. About 250 miles of varying speeds and engine accel/decel. After the first 20 miles I'll do a short, hot run up through the first three gears. At 500 miles I'll go up to 7500rpm, at 1000 miles I stop looking at the tach. Not giving advice, just wanting to compare notes.


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Varying the RPM's really important and making sure the engine doesn't get to hot is another. The engine needs some load to seat the rings. Bursts through the gears is good. I also quickly cut the throttle from 5,000 or 6,000 for some good engine braking.

I have a similar plan.  I will set my rev limiter at 7000 for the first 400 miles so that I can't damage anything by accident if I miss a gear.  After 400 I'll move it up to to 8000 for another 100 miles.  At 500, I'll set it at 9000rpms and leave it there for 150 more miles.  After that I'll set it at 10000rpm and go for broke.

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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2007, 08:21:24 AM »
  My limiter is marked 9-16 (8500-16500rpm I think). Do the new 2000 units go lower? If so that is cool indeed 8). I have mine set at 9500 now and have yet to have the balls to see if it works. At 7000 the acceleration comes on so strong that their isn't much straight road to wind it up.
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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2007, 09:51:28 AM »
Mine is set to 10,500 and I've heard it hit several times. The front is usually just touched from it's defiance of gravity in the lower two gears. A ported head makes all of this possible. The rods just allow it to live afterwards..

My Dyna 2000's minimum rpm is 8,500 and in 500 rpm increments. I picked the 10,500 after getting a seat of the pants feel for where the meat was in the power band. My seat tells me that I'm at peak torque around 8,500 and peak horsepower at just below 10,000. I came to this using the front wheel as a guide. The bike will start lofting the front (power wheelie) in 2nd starting at 8,000 and drops it as the needle hits the 10,000 mark. Since the wheel is reacting to the twisting force of the engine, I gather that the torque drops off fairly quick at the 9,500 + mark. With that, I left a little room for revs and selected 10,500 as the maximum required/desired.

Art, your cam is longer in duration, your head ports larger, and you have the CR31's. My guess is that you're going to need at least 500 more rpm - perhaps 11,000 to get the most. I would expect yours to make it's peak torque rating in the 9,000 range and it's peak hoespower in the 10,500 range. You'll definitely want the revs to fall "above" peak torque as you make each gear change for maximum forward gains. I would also expect every trip past 9,000 to be a rear-wheel only experience in first and second.

It is an odd concept - a CB750 pulling so hard that it will lift the tire upon hitting a particular rpm - but for those who have ridden the newer R6, R1, Gixers, Hondas, and Kaws - this is nothing. It's a lot more fun on an old 500 lb Honda! though and will give you some idea of the personality difference a build like Mike's accomplishes. It turns a nice bike into one that's still very nice, but with all of the attitude you want to dial-up wih the right wrist.

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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2007, 02:29:19 PM »
Glad to see it's coming together Art. 8) 8) 8) I think just about everything has been covered in what the guys have said.

The only thing I would add is, Megacycle recommend running the bike static for 20 minutes to remove the coating that they apply to the camshaft. While doing this with the old filter fitted, don't let the motor get to hot. Have a couple of desk fans blowing on full whack onto the front of the motor to replicate air flow. If the motor still gets to hot, give it a rest till it cools down.
After doing this clean off procedure change to a clean filter and run the bike in as Mike has no doubt told you.

Just to add to what Sean said about our bike being raced soon after this clean off period, you have to bare in mind that our motor was built with clearances ready to race.
Like has also been said, people have differing thoughts about how a bike should be broken in. If Mike as the engine builder has given you specific  instructions on how to run the motor in you should follow them.

Have fun Art, I have no doubt you will sped a lot of time looking at the sky ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2007, 04:43:07 PM »
  Sam,  I was wondering when you would pop in. Thanks for filling in the blanks about your motor. Just wanted to show the spectrum between stock and "race" motors. ;)


   Ilbikes,  yes, YES!  It's exactly like that ;D  It's usually when the front wheel starts lifting that I chicken out a bit. I suddenly remember the yahoo that actually built my motor and wonder "did he really get the torque right on those rod bolts" :D The Keihin CR's really woke the bike up from it's "break-in" slumber and I am having great difficulty obeying the speed laws in any gear.
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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2007, 04:48:30 PM »
Sounds like it's dyno time again ;D ;D ;D ;D The CRs really woke up the old motor when we fitted them.

Since fitting the 4 into 1 it's been running very rich, I'll post a race report from last weekend in the CR836 results thread.

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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2007, 07:34:12 PM »
I now have all of the parts to put everything together.  However.  The fittings I bought for the Terry cooler do not fit into the cooler itself.  I bought 1/4" NPT and they won't fit.  The fittings are too large in size.  I just wrote to Terry.  The fittings fit fine in the oil filter adaptor, but not the cooler itself.

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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2007, 06:35:56 AM »
Sorry to bop in as a newbie and change the pace, but im starting an overhaul and would like to get some of my engine build (porting especially) done by someone who knows these bikes.  Who is Mike? Does he or anyone else you can recommend do this kind of work?
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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2007, 06:46:14 AM »
I now have all of the parts to put everything together.  However.  The fittings I bought for the Terry cooler do not fit into the cooler itself.  I bought 1/4" NPT and they won't fit.  The fittings are too large in size.  I just wrote to Terry.  The fittings fit fine in the oil filter adaptor, but not the cooler itself.

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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2007, 07:19:49 AM »
Sorry to bop in as a newbie and change the pace, but im starting an overhaul and would like to get some of my engine build (porting especially) done by someone who knows these bikes.  Who is Mike? Does he or anyone else you can recommend do this kind of work?
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  That would be the "modest" Mrieck, listed in the Services Offered section(Parts for Sale).

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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2007, 07:23:02 AM »
Mr.Rieck  comes very hightly recommnded in my book. 

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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2007, 06:17:20 PM »
"WHO IS MIKE?" Mike is THE HEAD MAN
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Re: Advice wanted on starting up my new engine.
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2007, 10:13:46 PM »

Do a forum search on Mike and you`ll understand why we are all recommending him. Hard to find someone better than Mike for quality, craftsmanship and someone who stand behind his work. (plus all of us praising him have had the work done by him and are highly pleased).

(and Im hoping for a discount on my next job  ;)).

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