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Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« on: April 03, 2007, 06:14:17 PM »
I am in the midst of my 77 cb750k build and would love to find a cheap combo regulator / rectifier.  I think I found one in my parts boxes but have no idea what it is from and would like to know if anyone can 1) identify the part and 2) tell me if it is applicable for my application.
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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2007, 06:55:55 PM »
Well, they all look pretty similar. There are 2 types basically, one for field controlled alternators and one for permanent magnet alternators. You need a 3 phase field controlled type. This type will have 3 alternator output wires (Honda uses yellow but 3 the same color will be them), a battery wire (generally red and probably the heaviest gauge wire with maybe even an extra protective sleeve), a ground wire probably green (or not, it might ground through the case mounting bolts), a control (ignition "on" power) wire - on Honda ones this will be black, and finally a field wire or two. Honda reg/rect units usually have 2 wires directly to the field coil, some others have one wire and ground the other field coil wire elsewhere. You can use this type if you ground your other alternator field coil wire.
An alternative is discussed at length in other threads where you separate the 2 functions. You need to make a rectifier using 2 simple single phase bridge rectifiers (one and a half really but you need 2 units) or one 3-phase bridge rectifier (harder to find) and get an automotive regulator module. If you are handy with electrical stuff this way is usually cheapest should you need to get a new reg/rect unit.
Looking at your picture I think that is the correct type. You just have to figure out which wires do what. You can test the rectifier section with a multimeter but the regulator part has to be tested in operation unless you have a variable DC power supply with about 0-15V available.

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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2007, 07:00:18 PM »
Well, it doesn't look like my 83 cb650 regulator... (or a cb550 regulator I've also seen). They aren't rectangular.

Have you checked if it fits the mount points on your bike?

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« Last Edit: April 03, 2007, 07:02:01 PM by francisew »

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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 07:00:29 PM »
Since this is electrical I know TT will see this. TT, does this look like the RR24 from Electrex I sent your way?
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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 07:05:15 PM »
thanks for the info
i think I may be in over my head on this electrical stuff!  this one I have has two red wires off the same terminal then three individual yellow wires, and then two green wires on the same terminal.  So there is 5 terminal with a total of 7 wires.  How do you test the rectifier?  I read the other thread regarding building my own but not sure I have enough understanding to tackle it myself.
It could be off anything as I have literally boxes and boxes of parts that I acquired from my father's 30+ year collection.

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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 07:25:58 PM »
Read the link in my sig. Simple, cheap, and effective.
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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 09:11:36 PM »
Since this is electrical I know TT will see this. TT, does this look like the RR24 from Electrex I sent your way?
Other than it being a finned box with wires and a plug...no.


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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2007, 11:00:47 PM »
With those wire colours it's probably Honda, just don't know which one.
It doesnt have the regulator built in though, so you will need a separate one.
Reds are live to battery and green should be grounded.
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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2007, 06:19:39 AM »
I just found this on ebay so I think it may be of a 78 Hondamatic.  If this does not have a built in regulator then it does not accomplish what I want.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=270104096693&rd=1&rd=1

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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2007, 10:09:17 AM »
...I'm trying to wire in a hondamatic reg/rec like this one.  I know the 3 yellows from the Alternator to to the 3 yellows on the reg/rec, and green to green, but what about the white wire coming form the alternator.  Does it connect to one of the reds?
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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2007, 08:51:39 AM »
that white wire is for the field coil, that needs power to it when the bike is on so the alternator will work i t hink.

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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2007, 08:55:36 AM »
...I did some more research and found this to be a rectifier only...no regulator.  If it is indeed from a hondamatic.  The wiring diagrams in the Haynes manuals show the matics have a separate regulator and rectifier.  However, the DOHC's did have a combo reg/rec that looks similar to this one...
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Re: Rec / reg? Can you identify this part?
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2007, 07:45:18 AM »
All the Honda CB/CM and autos I've seen have a black not white wire which is  connected to a switched live. White is usually Kawasaki colour.
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