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Japanese Screwdrivers
« on: September 06, 2007, 01:44:21 am »
Have you ever wondered..............
Why does it seem like this Phillips screwdriver doesn't fit?
Why do these screw heads strip so easily?

Honda does not use Phillips head screws.
Honda uses JIS (Japan Industry Standard) screws.

They aren't the same.

The right tool for the job and all that..

There may be other sources - here's one:
http://www.stanleysupplyservices.com/product-group.aspx?id=7899


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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 12:38:13 pm »
vellly interesting
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 01:03:06 pm »
LMAO Duster.... :D

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 03:26:04 pm »
You're serious!  ???

Now I'm in trouble; that's just one MORE standard I have to deal with.

Lessee:

'75 Triumph - British Standard
'78 Honda - Japanese Industry Standard
'01 Triumph - metric
'02 Honda - well I thought just metric, but now I don't know...

No wonder some folks develop brand loyalty; it's cheaper on tools!   ::)
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2007, 04:29:49 pm »
Harbor Freight also has them. Makes life easier. Now I have to by a metric Cresent wrench ;D
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2007, 04:32:34 pm »
Harbor Freight also has them. Makes life easier. Now I have to by a metric Cresent wrench ;D
Also restoring a 64 MGB with my brother. Had to buy Whitworth wrenches... :P Just pick the wrong vehicles.
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2007, 07:45:48 pm »
Go metric, every inch of the way!

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2007, 09:58:23 pm »
vellly interesting

But shtupid.
Ya know, you guys are showing your age!  What was the guy's name that played the cigarette smoking kraut on that show? (just Googled it----Arte Johnson) played the dirty old man too.
But anyway, JIS screwdrivers come with the Jap machines our company uses, and it's funny how nobody wants to steal them  :D
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2007, 01:51:42 pm »
yep,laugh-in,what a hoot.
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2007, 03:48:44 pm »
yep,laugh-in,what a hoot.
Article in paper today. Laugh-in debuted 40 years ago today....Yikes!
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2007, 10:44:00 pm »
thats why i replaced all my engine case screws with allen head bolts.
You got that right bro!!!! Phillips heads are the lamest invention on the planet......(well at least up there with some of the dumbest stuff on the planet!!!!)
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2007, 03:52:09 pm »
I suppose the fifth piece is the cardboard box it comes in.

http://www.stanleysupplyservices.com/product-detail.aspx?pn=23-900

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2007, 04:18:16 pm »
Well, I think I'll try a five pack of these:

http://www.amessupply.com/products1.cfm?aid=1&cid=D&sid=DE&fid=1404051

Ames Supply claims they are JIS compliant:
"TOP QUALITY Ames' green handle professional screwdrivers..."Japanese Style" Phillips screwdrivers-A necessity for any service technician. Insure a perfect fit with Ames' screwdrivers which are compliant with Japanese industrial standard JIS 4633B-3/1991 and DIN/ISO standard 5260. Also suitable for use in posidrive type screws. Lifetime warranty."

Actually I bought all the green screwdrivers in a fifteen pack set plus two for $58.  They didn't give me a shipping charge.

I had to.  I have only one screwdriver that I trust with the bad stuff, and it takes forever to look for it.

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2007, 10:27:30 pm »
Is the JIS the same as posidrive  ???

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2007, 11:05:48 pm »
Is the JIS the same as posidrive  ???

nope.
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2007, 05:01:23 pm »
Somebody from Ames Supply Company called and admitted they are selling products that don't exist.  Oh well.  There was a day when that practice was fraud.

Anyway, I have three or four hundred screwdrivers and only one I trust on Japanese cross hair.  It's:
Craftsman
#2 Phillips USA
9-41295 B WF

So that's why I stripped all the screw heads thirty years ago.  It's not my fault.  Thanks for saving the shrink fees.
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2007, 07:38:12 pm »
Wow, that was driving me crazy.

I just thought they were using fatty screwdrivers back in the early 70's. The only time I dislike a philips head screw is when I dont have the correct size screwdriver.

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2007, 04:21:08 pm »

 I've got several screwdrivers specifically for bikes that I've re-ground the tips on to work right, No idea how many times I searched for a driver that fit the screws right till I did that.
 
  Now I find they make the 'right' ones after all!

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2007, 08:25:18 pm »
ALLEN HEAD RULES!!!!!......just use the right driver.........they are made in standard or metric....just like sockets. If there is crud in there....clean it out before reefing on it .
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2007, 11:31:49 am »
Almost all of the tools including the bag from the 750 tool kit are still available from Honda and cheap. I think the only exception is the wrench for the rear axle nut. You can put a brand new tool kit together for ~$20US. I just did this through Service Honda. Think i'll start selling NOS sandcast tool kits on EBay for $100  ;D
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2009, 06:46:45 pm »
I'm sorry to bump this a bit, but the subject is dead on.

Thank you alltherightpills.  There's another source to buy individual drivers, outside a set.


Set of JIS screwdrivers (http://www.mcmaster.com/#jis-(japanese-industrial-standard)-screwdrivers/=2jk0oj  Go about 2/3 of the way down the page, get the set of 4 standard screwdrivers for $14.05)


I ordered a few and will let you know how it works out.
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2009, 08:42:28 am »
I'd like to find a JIS set that has a big-ass one similar to like a phillips #3 I think. That set of four largest is only comperable to a Phillips #2.

Anyone else have a source?
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2009, 09:46:13 am »
I'm sorry to bump this a bit, but the subject is dead on.

Thank you alltherightpills.  There's another source to buy individual drivers, outside a set.


Set of JIS screwdrivers (http://www.mcmaster.com/#jis-(japanese-industrial-standard)-screwdrivers/=2jk0oj  Go about 2/3 of the way down the page, get the set of 4 standard screwdrivers for $14.05)


I ordered a few and will let you know how it works out.

The link m00ntan posted (above) for McMaster Carr goes up to #4.  The link below is a nice set that goes up to #3 but the site also offers JIS bits for a drill.

http://www.rjrcooltools.com/vessel.cfm
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2009, 09:41:28 am »
So does anyone know which J.I.S screwdriver is needed for 750/4 crankcase/engine cover screws ?

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2009, 10:43:13 am »
The older Craftsman blue handle #3 screwdriver fits the 750 clutck cover scres really well and maybe the points cover..
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2009, 11:01:50 am »
The older Craftsman blue handle #3 screwdriver fits the 750 clutck cover scres really well and maybe the points cover..

I use that same, old screwdriver.  Do the new ones not fit as well?

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2009, 01:49:52 pm »
Hmmm, I just thought I'd keep an eye out for the correct fitting screwdriver. The seed was planted by a guy on ebay selling kits of correct J.I.S cross-head screws for sohc fours:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-Style-JIS-small-head-Phillips-Screw-Pack-x50_W0QQitemZ280429683721QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item414ae96409

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2009, 02:13:41 pm »
I've always assumed that the #3 JIT was similar in size to the #3 Phillips, but really I have no idea.

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2009, 06:18:58 pm »
I just grind the tip of #3 Phillips slightly so drive 'wings' don't slip.
 Not ideal but easier than looking for the several JIS I've got stashed 'real safe' (OK, some people may say lost  ;D)

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2009, 02:08:57 am »
wow, i just learned something today... "jis".

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2009, 08:12:36 am »
I got JIS screw driver set for Christmas. Rebuilding carbs are so much easier with them.  Of course if the screw heads are not buggered up by someone else already...

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2009, 10:53:12 pm »
Drive size 1 covers M2-M2.6. Drive size 2 covers M3-M5 Drive size 3 covers M6-M8 drive4 is for size M10
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2010, 07:31:50 pm »
A while back I was poking through a box of random cheap old tools at a second-hand store. Found a couple of '60s Honda wrenches, plus a plug wrench and screwdriver that looked about right. Screwdriver handle said VESSEL.

JIS impact driver bits +2 +3 +4 at VESSEL site.

They sell Phillips screwdrivers too - identified P1 P2 etc.
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2021, 10:17:49 am »
Vessel tools - excellent - but a bit expensive...

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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2021, 10:27:57 am »
Vessel tools - excellent - but a bit expensive...
Agreed. I was excited to open and use the set I was gifted over the holidays!
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2021, 04:44:33 pm »
These are great! JIS screwdriver with built in impact driver. https://www.vesseltools.com/handtools/screwdrivers/impact/980-kit-2-detail
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2021, 06:30:34 pm »
Vessel tools - excellent - but a bit expensive...

Quality tools aren’t cheap. But they can be cheaper if the cheap China tool breaks and has to be replaced (been there)
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Re: Japanese Screwdrivers
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2021, 07:15:53 pm »
I got these off Amazon and use with my impact driver, or with a screwdriver using a socket (and a bit of tape if needed). 

https://www.amazon.com/Impact-Driver-Japanese-Standard-Screws/dp/B07YNTRXC8/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=AB+Tools-Laser+impact+jis&qid=1610421204&sr=8-2