Topic: ok time to lite another shuck, War on Drugs

[boatsdickson]

The police in my area randomly (and no so randomly) take your garbage and go through it.

Where in the world do you live for them to do that?

Is the area already having a dealing problem that they are trying to pinpoint?

Just curious. I'd be mad as hell even though it woundnt do me any good.

Ive never thrown anything like that away in the household trash. Most of it gets planted at Rauls place. 

[cleveland]

I live in a suburb of Milwaukee.  Once you put the trash out, it is the city's property.  They even charge scrappers with theft when they fell like being jerks.  Scrappers still do good business, but it's like "J" walking.  Technically you can get a fine for it, but no one ever does.  Imagine if you got a ticket every time you crosses the street outside of the cross walk you were fined $50.

A lot of cities do it.  More crime means they are allowed a bigger budget for the police dept, so they will take the path of least resistance and go after people that don't even know they are being investigated.  The general public does no know this and I wouldn't either if it had not happened to a friend of mine.

I don't hate police, I just know they tend to be a different breed of people and you hjave to watch out for them.

[boatsdickson]

Im glad our PD is way over budget and cant afford the trash cops but I imagine that goes on around here from time to time too.

[sparty]

Belive me none of you wanna hear this....(crap not sure to either say outlaw or lawman here lol) 's rant on drunk drivers..As for pot and shrumes...heh...as i have said in the past...grow that #$%*..roll that #$%* light that #$%* and smoke that #$%*...(or chew in the case of the shrumes)

Outlaw,

You are right, some of us don't want to hear that.  You don't want to hear this but: That isn't the type of information our youth need.  Would you say that to your child?  Not everyone is responsible enough to use drugs for pleasure.  And sooner or later no good comes from the use of drugs. I have had former students ruin their lives or the lives of others with simple drugs.  All because someone said it was cool or okay to use them.  When you are close to that it affects you, it makes you pause and think.

Sparty

I don't believe it is your place to decide for others if they have the capacity to alter their consciousness. I'm not sure you can truthfully say that no good comes from drug use. I think your proximity to some painfull situations makes it too easy for you to want to do whatever it may take to keep from being hurt by this again. And while it may make you pause and think, maybe think about how you might make choices and not how I or others may make them. If I am not hurting you, why should you think you should have a say in what I do? Maybe I'm just a little too Libertarian.

I said that not everyone is responsible enough to use drugs for pleasure.  I never said you shouldn’t use them.  Hey, that is your choice.  I am fine with that.  What I am not fine with is when someone chooses to use drugs and that choice has a negative impact upon the lives of others.  Other than using certain drugs for their medical benefits, which only a very small portion of people qualify, what other good comes from their use?  I lived in an area where nearly every crime was in some way drug related.  You personally may never commit a drug related crime, but just purchasing drugs helps to fuel the fire.  That drug money isn’t going to charity, the poor or to build new schools.  It isn’t making America a safer and better place to live, work and raise a family.
 
I have to shake my head at your “I am not hurting you” argument:
Across town from where I live a guy got pinched for drugs.  He has a wife and kids, they lost their home, life for those little kids is changed. Their dad is in jail, when he gets out he will be unemployable at a good job that can support his family so the kids will have plenty of opportunities.  Another recent incident involved a guy who was high and behind the wheel.  He struck and killed two innocent people.  Those guys probably thought that their casual use of drugs wasn’t hurting anyone.

Sparty

[Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er]

"Is the War on Drugs Necessary?[/quote] NO

The drugists that are too involved and too twacked out will eliminate themselves in time. That way they wont cost us $23,000.00 per person per year in prison."



Boats,

We spell drugist with 2 g's ie druggist.  If you're referring to us Pharmacists, well I'm sure you'd find that Pharmacists as well as ALL other groups in society have a few members that have issues. Could be pussy, alcohol, gambling, drugs, etc. It's called human nature. I didn't watch all the video so perhaps I missed something pertaining to $23,000?! I gotta go back and finish that video. Very interesting!

Anyway, this Pharmacist would probably have been able to grow up with a father if said father had been a pot smoker rather than drinking himself to death at an early age. If I only had a choice of 2 drugs (alcohol, which is definitely a drug according to the definition, or marijuana) and 1 HAD to be legal and I had to choose 1 of the 2, my choice would be to outlaw alcohol. Alcohol has had a MUCH MUCH MUCH worse effect on society! I didn't say I'd burn weed, I'd just choose the MUCH lesser of 2 evils. I grew up in the 60's & 70's so I've seen a lot of s@#t in my time and feel somewhat qualified to respond in this manner. Back to my legal rum & coke (cola) now. 

[boatsdickson]

RxmanGriff

I guess I meant druggy, or druggie, or the drugged. No I wasnt referring to your profession. But thanks for the literary lesson anyway. 

[cafehonda]

I said that not everyone is responsible enough to use drugs for pleasure.  I never said you shouldn’t use them.  Hey, that is your choice.  I am fine with that.  What I am not fine with is when someone chooses to use drugs and that choice has a negative impact upon the lives of others.  Other than using certain drugs for their medical benefits, which only a very small portion of people qualify, what other good comes from their use?  I lived in an area where nearly every crime was in some way drug related.  You personally may never commit a drug related crime, but just purchasing drugs helps to fuel the fire.  That drug money isn’t going to charity, the poor or to build new schools.  It isn’t making America a safer and better place to live, work and raise a family.
 
I have to shake my head at your “I am not hurting you” argument:
Across town from where I live a guy got pinched for drugs.  He has a wife and kids, they lost their home, life for those little kids is changed. Their dad is in jail, when he gets out he will be unemployable at a good job that can support his family so the kids will have plenty of opportunities.  Another recent incident involved a guy who was high and behind the wheel.  He struck and killed two innocent people.  Those guys probably thought that their casual use of drugs wasn’t hurting anyone.

Sparty

[/quote]
It's not about whether or not I am spending my money in an unsatisfactory place but whether or not one person should decide for others what they should and should not do. Unfortunately, the only time we can see if our rights have been exceeded is when they encroach on the rights of another. We all make decisions that impact others, but should we never make those decisions and thereby live under the tyrany of the wants and desires of others?

[Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er]

Well said! The "I'm not hurting you" is in the present tense and that may be the case for now and so be it. However none of us can predict the future.

[Terry in Australia]

Yeah, well as much as I have no love for users of heroin, speed, crack, coke, meth etc, most of the above scenarios relating to the destruction of the family unit can, and have, also been attributed to alcoholism.

So is the choice of drug the problem, or is it more to do with the laws? Here in Oz we righteously look down our noses at drug addicts as "scumbags", but consider alcoholism an illness deserving at least modicum of sympathy.

If all drugs were decriminalised, readily available and regulated by the government, it's a reasonable assumption that drug related crimes would diminish exponentially.

Prohibition in the US created an enormous spike in the crime rate at the time, and the only way to reduce alcohol related crime was to decriminalise alcohol, so maybe we should take our heads out of the sand and accept that one drug is probably as bad as another, and either ban them all, or make them all legal?  Just my opinion, of course.

[Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er]

Alcohol is definitely a drug also. Albiet a legal regulated TAXED drug. Our government apparently decided since prohibition did not work they may as well "go with the flow" and make some $$ from it's sale even though it is know to cause addiction and everything that comes with addiction. They have toyed with the idea of regulating nicotine (another drug) recently by turning in over to the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) but backed down. Another Prohibition scenario perhaps? This leaves 1 other legal drug on the market that comes to mind- caffeine. Much less addiction potential but yet, still a drug. It affects the central nervous system also. They could tax caffeine and pay for Iraq!! They recently put all pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) behind the counter and only Pharmacists can dispense it in proper quanties with proper IDs while registering the sale. Guess this eliminated the taxation aspect. The drug busts for methamphetamine manufacture have dropped dramatically in my area but we have had to increase our border patrol to stop the flow from Mexico (among other obvious reasons).

Whats the best solution? There is no best solution!   

[cafehonda]

Well said. I don't think there is any way to eliminate the human desire to alter ones consciousness. I guess one of the problems with people is that they are human.

[firecracker]

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