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Going thru my tranny. Anyone interested?
« on: September 07, 2007, 10:02:47 PM »
I've generated a few extra neutrals in my 126,000+ mile tranny. So, with Joce' and Soos' very kind help, I've gathered several trannys (CB750) and am about to mic and plug through a full rebuild for mine. Is anyone interested if I make a photo-doc of it, with how-to-checkit and Honda's clearances (and wear limits)?

Most of you don't have these kind of miles yet, so your "tranny" troubles are usually clutch plate issues, instead. But, some of you might be reaching that 90K mile mark soon...might need this?
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Re: Going thru my tranny. Anyone interested?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2007, 10:24:50 PM »
Well of course.  I don't have a 750 yet, but I'm always interested in learning.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2007, 10:30:21 PM »
ditto
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2007, 03:45:45 AM »
I'm sure we will all benefit from it  ;), cheers Hondaman.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2007, 05:23:25 AM »
Please do.. I'm planning on doing the very same thing soon.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2007, 06:26:20 AM »
Please do.. I'm planning on doing the very same thing soon.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2007, 06:29:45 AM »
Hi,
 I am doing the same with my K0. I have lots of newer transmissions, but the ratios (# of teeth ) on some of the gears is different. Count your teeth carefully. You may find it difficult to obtain some of the collars and bearings also. Good luck and have fun. Contact me if you need some used gears or shafts.
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Re: Going thru my tranny. Anyone interested?
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2007, 01:31:47 PM »
Please do.. I'm planning on doing the very same thing soon.
I just spit my coffee out after looking at yout avatar. Bastard. ;) ;) ;)

C'mon... I've only had that avatar for a month now!!!  ;D

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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2007, 03:02:08 PM »
i'd be able to make good use of that as well. 126k? damn thats bmw territory.

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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2007, 03:05:44 PM »
I have 100,000 hard miles on my origional tranny. I need this!!!!!

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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2007, 04:25:37 PM »
Glad to hear you will put those bits to use!

YEAH!!! I would love to see a video/picture sequence for the tranny "operation" you intend on doing.

Are you planning on polishing the mating surfaces of the gears to remove the machining marks on the new(er) gears?(meshing them and rotating with a polishing/laping compound)

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2007, 06:04:06 PM »


        Mark, I'm sure that if you do it, It's going to be well followed and quite interesting to boot! Yeah, I'd like to see what you go through. ;)

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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2007, 07:03:24 PM »
Lots and lots of pictures. This actually comes at an  ideal time for me as I was fixin' to split the cases on my newest project this winter.

Thanks, Mark

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2007, 07:49:07 PM »
Glad to hear you will put those bits to use!

YEAH!!! I would love to see a video/picture sequence for the tranny "operation" you intend on doing.

Are you planning on polishing the mating surfaces of the gears to remove the machining marks on the new(er) gears?(meshing them and rotating with a polishing/laping compound)

l8r

Yeah, I'm thinking about that again. My original set, that I replaced the mainshaft on last year, had this done. I really noticed the difference when the non-smooth ones were introduced in only 1/2 of the trans.
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Re: Going thru my tranny. Anyone interested?
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2007, 07:53:16 PM »
Hi,
 I am doing the same with my K0. I have lots of newer transmissions, but the ratios (# of teeth ) on some of the gears is different. Count your teeth carefully. You may find it difficult to obtain some of the collars and bearings also. Good luck and have fun. Contact me if you need some used gears or shafts.

I think the "F" series had some different ratios in them, which meant the K7/K8 did, also. There's always the possibility of the odd K0 here and there (I've seen some of them), but from the late-production K0 thru the K6, all were the same gears. The final drive bearing did change in late K3, though, to a 2-row type, which then used a different final shaft.

You're right about those collars: I'm thinking of making my own on my lathe, if I can't get them now. The material is now available as "Super Oilite" in the bronze, dimpled and all, from MSC.  ;)
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2007, 07:58:19 PM »
My '75 750F rolled over 108,000 miles today.  It shifts smoother than ever and is still quiet.  I'll be interested to see what the inside of yours looks like.
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2007, 08:11:15 PM »
My '75 750F rolled over 108,000 miles today.  It shifts smoother than ever and is still quiet.  I'll be interested to see what the inside of yours looks like.

That's really cool! What kind(s) of oil do you use? Have you had the bike since new?
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Re: Going thru my tranny. Anyone interested?
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2007, 09:37:42 PM »
hahaha "tranny operation", we'll have to start calling you HondaWoman when it's over!  ;D ;D ;D

sorry i couldn't resist  ;)
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2007, 10:30:04 PM »
My '75 750F rolled over 108,000 miles today.  It shifts smoother than ever and is still quiet.  I'll be interested to see what the inside of yours looks like.

That's really cool! What kind(s) of oil do you use? Have you had the bike since new?

I've had the bike since July 4, 1977.  I bought it with about 3,900 miles on it.  I only started keeping maintenance records on it in 1988 when I got it out storage, where it sat for 6 years while I lived in the bush in Alaska.  But I remember I used car oil, 10-40 in the winter, and 20-50 in the summer, changing every 1000 miles.  I also remember using Belray oil a time or too, as well.  My records show I used Pennzoil 1988-1990.  I was living in Soldotna at the time, and I think that's what they had at the Pay'N'Save.  Then in 1990 at 30,000 miles I started using Castrol, the records show mostly 20-50, changing every 1500 miles or so.  In 1994 at 45,000 miles, I started using Honda HP4.  I upped the change interval to 2000 miles, then 3000 miles with this oil.  In 1998 at 62,000 miles, I started using BMW dino oil, mostly 20-50.  I understand that oil is made by Spectro.  Change interval with that oil was 3000-4000 for a while, but I do it at 3000 these days.  I am still using the BMW oil, but am considering switching because the price has gotten ridiculous lately.  It is good oil, though.  I change the filter every other oil change.  I use either Honda or Fram filters, whatever I have on hand.  The bike does not use enough oil between changes to require topping off. 

The farthest I've been into the engine was to replace the seals under the cam towers in 2002 at 82,000 miles.  At that time, the cam looked good, with no scoring or pitting on the lobes.  The rocker shafts had some slight visible wear, but still serviceable.  The cam holder and caps had slight visible wear, too.  I didn't measure the clearances, just put it back together. 

I check the tappet clearances every 3,000 miles.  I haven't had to adjust a clearance since 85,000 miles when a couple of them were a thou tight.  I've always set the intake at .002 and the exhaust at .003.

This has been the most reliable motorcycle I have been acquainted with, and there's been quite a few.  It puts my BMW to shame.
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2007, 07:12:36 PM »
Yeah, I almost took in a BMW (R75/76 series) because of their nimbleness, changed my mind at the last minute. Good thing, it's turned out. Those who have had them have not received anything like the service the SOHC4s put out. Tranny, starter, top-end problems have taken most of them back off the road: lasted from 1972-ish to around 1990-ish, scarce now.
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2007, 07:30:58 PM »
 ;D ;D I would be very interested in the tranny article with pictures and specs.

Currently doing a bit of rewiring, repainting, and general overall maintenance.

Since my bike only has 75,000 on it - compared to yours, I probably won't need to rebuild the tranny this month, but my time is comming.

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2007, 07:53:01 PM »
Well of course! Although I'm hoping I won't need the tutorial anytime soon.... :P
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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2007, 03:35:59 PM »
I'm figuring a lot of SOHC-ers won't need it. But, it will help some of them recognize when something is worn out. I'll be trying to match up the symptoms with the worn devices in pictures, just for the records. I know what's wrong now (worn shift drum, shift fork pins, bushings on 3rd gear ID, ball bearings, 2nd gear slider), based on the symptoms. But, that's only because I've had the great fun of going through so many trannys before!  :)
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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2007, 10:09:46 PM »
This will make a great pictorial in the FAQ Hondaman!!!! Like you say.....most won't be going through their trannies but when it is needed....the info will be there......nothing wrong with that!!!
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2008, 04:51:25 PM »
I've generated a few extra neutrals in my 126,000+ mile tranny. So, with Joce' and Soos' very kind help, I've gathered several trannys (CB750) and am about to mic and plug through a full rebuild for mine. Is anyone interested if I make a photo-doc of it, with how-to-checkit and Honda's clearances (and wear limits)?

Most of you don't have these kind of miles yet, so your "tranny" troubles are usually clutch plate issues, instead. But, some of you might be reaching that 90K mile mark soon...might need this?

Hondaman, did you ever follow thru on this and I missed it?
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