Author Topic: 84 year old Honda rider... (Read 11921 times)

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #50 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:13:52 PM »

Everybody take deep breath now.

mattcb350f · « **Reply #51 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:14:34 PM »

Folks, go back and read the first post. he's asking for advice on how to fix this old fellas bike and not make it seem like a Charity. He's not exactly asking for your opinion on whether he should be riding or not. Although I think this is a great discusion, very valid points on both sides, lets try to answer what he's asking.

My thoughts, BBQ ideas sounds about the best. Make him feel as if he is wanted to keep riding with the group (lets forget about his riding ability for a second), and say a tranny donation is the clubs way of keeping him as one of the group. Say you'd do it for any member if he's suspicious.

Now, if you're worried about his riding, then a few of you take turns riding at his pace in a group with him. This way, at least you'll be on the look out for him and as a group, more noticeable to other traffic and less likely to get in a accident.

Matt.

m00ntan · « **Reply #52 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:18:48 PM »

Ed, found a home for you. http://www.leasticoulddo.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t12984.html

Is there a ignore button?

I would support a blind monkey on an SOHC4.

edbikerii · « **Reply #53 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:27:43 PM »

Hey, that's a great thread, m00ntan. I didn't know that Australia has implemented annual license inspection for people over age 70 and mandatory annual driving tests for people over 75. Hmmm... maybe some of our Aussie friends would care to chime in about how well that works?

By the way, the 84 year old man wasn't riding a SOHC4. He was riding a black bomber, IIRC.

Quote from: m00ntan on September 12, 2007, 07:18:48 PM

Ed, found a home for you. http://www.leasticoulddo.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t12984.html

Is there a ignore button?

I would support a blind monkey on an SOHC4.

mark · « **Reply #54 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:29:39 PM »

Quote from: eldar, Master of the K8 Thunder! on September 12, 2007, 02:50:52 PM

84 years is an amazing age to be riding. Maybe the group can in a round about way see how repair is going. If he is not repairing, then give him some friendly guff an find out why. If it is a money issue, maybe the group has a person who can loan him a ride and then the rest of you can fix his.

Agreed.

As for testing. do it to everyone or forget it. Test everyone involved in ANY accident.

As for myself, I can only hope that I am still able to consider riding at age 84.

Went over to Willamette Speedway a couple months ago. The next pit over had a C Sportsman car. The driver was 82. He drove better than a lot of 20 and 30 somethings that night.

Happy trails.

m00ntan · « **Reply #55 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:30:45 PM »

ED, if it is not clear to you, there are several people trying to tell you where to go.

dustyc · « **Reply #56 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:32:08 PM »

I think the bigger question is: Does he think chaps are gay?

Sorry Toycollector. I did try to give an on topic answer to your question earlier.

m00ntan · « **Reply #57 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:32:37 PM »

I think the guy has a superhawk with a bad tranny.

edbikerii · « **Reply #58 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:38:03 PM »

Sorry, I guess I'm just not a big fan of caving to "peer pressure". Just because you disagree, doesn't mean I'm wrong, especially when the only real statistics quoted here are in support of my argument.

I'd like to note that you and your friends are perfectly welcome to go somewhere too. I'll happily remain where I choose.

Quote from: m00ntan on September 12, 2007, 07:30:45 PM

ED, if it is not clear to you, there are several people trying to tell you where to go.

edbikerii · « **Reply #59 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:39:22 PM »

Yes, chaps are gay, even on hot women.

m00ntan · « **Reply #60 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:43:05 PM »

We can call this the Ed thread.
Ed
Ed
Ed

dustyc · « **Reply #61 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:43:25 PM »

Not you Ed, the 84 year old Honda rider.

edbikerii · « **Reply #62 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:45:36 PM »

Hey, the guy's name was Dave Dixon, and he rode a Black Bomber.

Quote from: dustyc on September 12, 2007, 07:43:25 PM

Not you Ed, the 84 year old Honda rider.

edbikerii · « **Reply #63 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:46:56 PM »

Go ahead, have the last word. Take it, please.....

Quote from: m00ntan on September 12, 2007, 07:43:05 PM

We can call this the Ed thread.
Ed
Ed
Ed

dustyc · « **Reply #64 on:** September 12, 2007, 07:48:25 PM »

His name was Robert Paulson. Anyone?

Now I'm really sorry for totally derailing your post Toycollector.

okie · « **Reply #65 on:** September 12, 2007, 08:32:10 PM »

According to the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, motorcyclists die at a rate 3700% greater than automobile drivers, on a deaths per mile traveled basis. If you are TRULY interested in saving lives, you will stop riding motorcycles.

http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/graph_source.jpg

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSFAnn/TSF2005.pdf

I rode tonight and I plan to ride for the next 25 years. Then you guys can have a Bar-B-Que and fix my transmission.

edbikerii · « **Reply #66 on:** September 12, 2007, 09:12:49 PM »

I guess the difference (in my opinion, of course) is that risking your own life by riding a 400lb motorcycle is not the same as endangering other innocent people by driving a 4000lb car. Yes, I have assumed that the 84 year old also drives, since he feels that he's fit to ride his motorcycle. Maybe I'm wrong, and he usually rides the bus, except for that one day a month when he rides his Black Bomber.

Quote from: okie on September 12, 2007, 08:32:10 PM

According to the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, motorcyclists die at a rate 3700% greater than automobile drivers, on a deaths per mile traveled basis. If you are TRULY interested in saving lives, you will stop riding motorcycles.

http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/graph_source.jpg

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSFAnn/TSF2005.pdf

I rode tonight and I plan to ride for the next 25 years. Then you guys can have a Bar-B-Que and fix my transmission.

paulages · « **Reply #67 on:** September 13, 2007, 12:48:17 AM »

all you were wrong in, is assuming that an 84 year-old is anything. you don't know this guy, and that seems to be the entire point to anyone's objection to your tasteless comments. when i referred to karma, i referred to the concept that anyone young should assume that anyone older has lost some "edge" or ability to function. you someday will be be that someone older.. as a matter of fact, you are older than i. should i assume you've lost some wit or ability? exactly what age does that happen at? unless you know this guy, STFU

edbikerii · « **Reply #68 on:** September 13, 2007, 04:28:19 AM »

I guess you've missed something in all the excitement: you don't know this guy either. All any of us knows is toycollectors' description of him in the first post, which doesn't exactly paint a pretty picture of safety.

What we do know is that both statistically, and based on common sense, he is a danger to others and to himself on the road.

So, instead of trying to find ways to argue against facts, logic and reason, why don't you STFU?

Quote from: paulages on September 13, 2007, 12:48:17 AM

all you were wrong in, is assuming that an 84 year-old is anything. you don't know this guy, and that seems to be the entire point to anyone's objection to your tasteless comments. when i referred to karma, i referred to the concept that anyone young should assume that anyone older has lost some "edge" or ability to function. you someday will be be that someone older.. as a matter of fact, you are older than i. should i assume you've lost some wit or ability? exactly what age does that happen at? unless you know this guy, STFU

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #69 on:** September 13, 2007, 06:10:16 AM »

STFU isn't necessary to reasonable argumentation and debate. How 'bout we calm things down a bit.

my78k · « **Reply #70 on:** September 13, 2007, 06:16:48 AM »

Before this horse becomes REALLY dead (and to be honest I believe it is far past this point already) I would like to comment on ToyCollector's original post on how the guy rides...I believe all he mentioned was that the guy takes off earlier so that he doesn't feel the need to use excessive speed or ride at a pace that he is uncomfortable with. I wish more riders had this attitude! Far too many people (in fact many of them are young and consider themselves invincible) ride above their heads trying to catch up or keep up with their buddies.

I find his attitude refreshing...and remarkably responsible.

It's funny how when somebody rides by at 100 mph in shorts we refer to him as a squid but when someone rides within their comfort zone and admits that they do not feel comfortable at excessive rates of speed we (or atleast SOME) assume that they aren't capable of more and in fact shouldn't be riding at all....

Dennis

WJL75 · « **Reply #71 on:** September 13, 2007, 06:28:57 AM »

True, he is probably riding more safely than others in the group (not that I know how the others really ride). If he wants to continue riding, and is capable, that is his call, not ours. Give the guy a BBQ dinner, and ask him if he would like to keep riding. If he does, offer some help.

edbikerii · « **Reply #72 on:** September 13, 2007, 06:51:56 AM »

Hi Dennis,

Yes, I agree that it is wise for him to leave early in order to avoid having to rush, in order to stay in his comfort zone. However, my assumption (and again, as I've said before, I could be wrong) is that speed limits may reach or exceed 50 or even 55 mph on their routes at least once in a while.

Granted, I assumed (I know, ass-u-me), based on toycollector's statement, that this 84 year old was creeping along at below the speed limit, causing road rage and other safety issues for everyone else. We've all seen it before. I assumed this because the rest of the group would eventually catch up.

You know what's even funnier about that 100 mph squid? Most of us have done the same thing, but delude ourselves into thinking that somehow we are better.

Quote from: my78k on September 13, 2007, 06:16:48 AM

Before this horse becomes REALLY dead (and to be honest I believe it is far past this point already) I would like to comment on ToyCollector's original post on how the guy rides...I believe all he mentioned was that the guy takes off earlier so that he doesn't feel the need to use excessive speed or ride at a pace that he is uncomfortable with. I wish more riders had this attitude! Far too many people (in fact many of them are young and consider themselves invincible) ride above their heads trying to catch up or keep up with their buddies.

I find his attitude refreshing...and remarkably responsible.

It's funny how when somebody rides by at 100 mph in shorts we refer to him as a squid but when someone rides within their comfort zone and admits that they do not feel comfortable at excessive rates of speed we (or atleast SOME) assume that they aren't capable of more and in fact shouldn't be riding at all....

Dennis

my78k · « **Reply #73 on:** September 13, 2007, 07:34:23 AM »

Oh I fully agree about the speed factor! Lord knows I have been above the ton numerous times but that is because I feel confident in both the equipment I wear (not a t-shirt and shorts! Admittedly it wouldn't do me much good hitting a solidd object at 110mph though!) the bike I ride (I wouldn't pull that on my K8 but regularly do on my CBR and my skills. If I didn't have that confidence I wouldn't do it...all I am saying is that if a rider is within his limits he is fine to be riding and I applaud him for knowing those limits.

As for the road rage etc...I live north of the border but do drive down to Fla every year and if memory serves there is both a max and min speed limit on most hwy's...if he is within those limits he is just fine! Those that get frustrated (more often than not are cagers due to not having the same passing ability) are the real problem. Even our emotions can make us impaired as a driver/rider.

Dennis

Rushoid · « **Reply #74 on:** September 13, 2007, 08:39:09 AM »

Quote from: edbikerii on September 11, 2007, 07:37:39 PM

Maybe at 84 he realizes that it's about time he got himself off the public highways. Sure it sounds all romantic and blah blah blah, but the fact is he's really way too old to be driving or riding around on public roads.

Does he wear one hearing aide or two? What's his eyesight like? How are his reaction times? Could he pass a skills test today?

Maybe fix his bike for him as a token, contingent upon him donating it to a museum or something. Better yet, just give him a commemorative plaque or something and let his bike rest in peace.

ed, your blanket statement about the man being "really way too old to be driving or riding" is what touched a nerve with me. Statistically older people might have more accidents but that doesn't mean everyone over 65 (or any age) is a poor driver. That is tantamount to saying that all fat people are jolly, or blondes are stupid, or chaps wearers are gay (even if they all look like it

), or any racial slurs. You get the idea (I hope).

You make some valid points, and I agree with some of them, but you can't just make broad, sweeping statements about a group of people and get away with it.

Quote from: my78k on September 13, 2007, 06:16:48 AM

Before this horse becomes REALLY dead (and to be honest I believe it is far past this point already) I would like to comment on ToyCollector's original post on how the guy rides...I believe all he mentioned was that the guy takes off earlier so that he doesn't feel the need to use excessive speed or ride at a pace that he is uncomfortable with. I wish more riders had this attitude! Far too many people (in fact many of them are young and consider themselves invincible) ride above their heads trying to catch up or keep up with their buddies.

I find his attitude refreshing...and remarkably responsible.

It's funny how when somebody rides by at 100 mph in shorts we refer to him as a squid but when someone rides within their comfort zone and admits that they do not feel comfortable at excessive rates of speed we (or atleast SOME) assume that they aren't capable of more and in fact shouldn't be riding at all....

Dennis

Well said, Dennis. It makes me wonder if anyone in the group ever actually left early with the guy, and stayed with him. Maybe he's ready to hang it up because he's tired of riding alone at group events. Only he knows his reasoning. I think the BBQ is a good idea, as well as a plaque, etc. However, before attacking his bike with tools, get his permission/blessing. After all, old people are very particular about who works on their bikes.

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