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Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« on: September 14, 2007, 12:00:31 PM »
Alright, I thought I would stop watching everyone else's rebuild and start documenting and posting mine.  Here it is...

As I picked it up



After my first night of tear-down



The frame back from the powder coaters (silver vein)



As she sits right now...waiting for an engine (or rebuild)



I'll update as it progresses.  If anyone sees anything I'm doing wrong (chances are there's at least 5 million) feel free to yell and scream at me.  : )

-Robb

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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2007, 01:19:03 PM »
Looking great so far!
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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2007, 01:48:29 PM »
You'll have a #$%* of a time getting the engine back in with the wheels, forks, swingarm, etc. on the frame - other than that, it looks like your doing great!
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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2007, 03:42:49 PM »
Nice. I like the choice of color for the frame.
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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2007, 07:12:54 PM »
You'll have a #$%* of a time getting the engine back in with the wheels, forks, swingarm, etc. on the frame - other than that, it looks like your doing great!

Hmm, I never thought about that.  I had a friend help me take it out, and we got it done with about 10 minutes of haggling with the frame.  But then again, it was completely stripped.

I chose the color because the shop I took it to had some left over from another job and offered a good deal.  Plus I hear the textured finishes are easiest to touch up, and most durable.

I've been looking at options for my engine (it's in really bad shape-27k and barely kicks over) What are your guy's recommendations?  I've found a local guy with a 76 550 engine with, get this, 1708 miles on the clock for $200.  However, it's been sitting outside, but has run within the last 6 months.  Should I just go with that, clean it up and call it a day?  Or try and go through the pains (albeit and learning) of a full engine overhaul, probably with all forged perforamnce pieces?


Thanks again for the comments/advice guys!

-Robb


i'm at that cross-roads myself. I've been leaning towards being less of a consumer and more of a student. The other engine might be a good buy, though. You could always swap out parts and see what you don't need. That way you learn and help out the community- maybe even coming close to breaking even.
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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2007, 07:48:37 PM »
I would get the '76 engine if I were you... Especially if it comes with carbs for $200.
Use it, and keep your own as a spare. Or just take it apart to understand it better.

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2007, 08:09:14 PM »
Low miles will always win out. (unless it's been sitting outside a looong time) Rebuilding a dud will set you back big bucks whereas a low miles example may need a hone & rings and little else.

Installing the engine in a chassis isn't difficult if you have a friend to help. Use some frame tubing protection (cardboard, foam, ductape) Install from the the right side, higher in the rear and take your time...... no problem.

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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2007, 02:37:34 PM »
great start....
You know any body with an engine hoist ?  That's how I got mine in and out... 1 man operation.  check out the first page of my build....you can kinda see how I ran the ropes - through the upper motor mounts front and back
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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2007, 07:46:21 PM »
Looking very good so far.

As far as your suspension is concerned, you might want to contact Honda Man for replacement swing arm bushings that are matched to the pivot shaft.  I had him replace the ones for my 550 and coupled with new Hagon shocks the bike handles and rides great.

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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2007, 08:56:23 PM »
You'll have a #$%* of a time getting the engine back in with the wheels, forks, swingarm, etc. on the frame - other than that, it looks like your doing great!

Ummmm...... Why would that be??
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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2007, 06:10:49 PM »
Robb

I'm jealous about your engine find. Great score!

The bike’s looking good.

Tell me a little more about your wiring harness. I’d like to redo mine too, I’m just a little intimidated about the whole process.

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2007, 05:19:06 PM »
Robb

That looks great! I'm always a little timid when it comes to wire harnesses but have to consider it soon too. What really blows me away is the notion that you are converting to FI! Can that really be?

I found this rather poor simple wiring diagram on the manuals forum. Could the harness be simplified to this level?

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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2007, 06:58:30 PM »
NICE!!...I found a CLEAN 550 engine a few years ago on ebay, so clean i  just dropped it in.. its been trouble free... as was.
I saw a post where a guy laid his motor on the floor on its side, and laid the bike over it to get it in, seemed to work well.... a thought/\
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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2007, 07:32:50 PM »
NICE!!...I found a CLEAN 550 engine a few years ago on ebay, so clean i  just dropped it in.. its been trouble free... as was.
I saw a post where a guy laid his motor on the floor on its side, and laid the bike over it to get it in, seemed to work well.... a thought/\

that was Doug_Id's thread
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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2007, 05:59:18 PM »
I love it when a project comes together.
What kind of tank and what materials are you thinking about?

The center stand is easier than it looks. Just put it in a box on the shelf.

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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2007, 06:13:56 PM »
I love it when a project comes together.
What kind of tank and what materials are you thinking about?

The center stand is easier than it looks. Just put it in a box on the shelf.

Cheers
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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2007, 09:02:06 PM »
Sounds interesting. Don't forget to post some of the mock up pics.

And remember, "no shots....no goals"!

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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2007, 07:03:51 AM »
Master is standard 400/500/550/750 issue just black anodising worn off with age.
If its stuck remove lever push piston to full travel with punch and hammer, remove circlip (ballsache) then put rod in outlet hole and push piston assembly out.

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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2007, 07:47:25 AM »
+1 on the powerbraid , i used alot on my bike , and that stuff is very pricey. but well worth it (i'm into the details)
looking good so far

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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2007, 07:56:28 AM »
Where do you find Powerbraid?
It it a heat shrink type of product?

It looks great!
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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2007, 09:07:44 AM »
FunJimmy,

I did a search on Powerbraid.  You can order it from Northern Auto Parts, among many others.  That stuff looks really good!

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Re: Young blood '74 CB550 resto project
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2007, 10:06:31 AM »
I rebuilt my master cylinder a while ago and documented it on my site. I'll post the text here for easy access. Pics are on my site.

It was hell trying to remove the rubber boot. I couldn’t get to the stopper washer so I just pulled the boot apart with a pair of needle nose pliers. Next I removed the stopper washer and then I took out the snap ring. I bought snap ring pliers from NAPA for $15.00 but I couldn’t use them because they were too bulky and cheap. I was able to get the snap ring out with a scratch awl but I knew I couldn’t use that tool to put the new one back in. I later went to Pep Boys where they had the kind of pliers I was looking for.  They were the right size and they were of good quality. What’s better is they cost only $10.00.

I had to spray PB blaster inside the MC to loosen up the washer that keeps the piston inside. Also, I had to use a small screwdriver and the scratch awl to separate the washer from the piston because it was so badly rusted. Finally after about 15 minutes, success! The washer was out and now I was face to face with the stuck piston. To do this, I first used the needle nose pliers along with the edge of the MC to create a lever. That worked enough to get the piston out a little way but I needed it to come all the way out.

Out comes the screw extractor set and drill. I drilled a hole in the piston and tapped the screw extractor. All this did was push the piston back in the hole requiring me to pry it back out. I figured I’d try that a couple times and then pull it out with needlenose. What do you know? It worked. Everything came flying out spraying rust and PB blaster all over my desk.

Now it was time to clean up the master cylinder and put it back together. First I sprayed the inside of the MC with Orange cleaning agent. Then I used a round nylon brush to buff it out. It’s extremely important to make sure the inside of the MC is spotless. Next I started to assemble the parts.


First I attached the check valve to the spring. I then put the primary cup over the small end of the spring and pressed those three parts up into the master cylinder check valve end first. If you do this, don’t forget to put a little brake fluid around the inside of the master cylinder and the rubber parts to keep everything properly lubed. Next I wedged the secondary cup over the piston with a small screwdriver and snapped it into place. I pushed the piston in the MC and placed the 10.5mm washer over that. Pushing everything down inside the master cylinder I gently placed the internal snap ring in with the special snap ring pliers. Finally I put the boot down over the piston and secured it with the stopper washer.

That’s it; all done! I installed the rebuilt master cylinder on the bike and bled the brake. It worked flawlessly. It took a lot of patience and the right tools but I have to say it was well worth the effort. Not only because I have a better master cylinder but also because I will feel much safer riding the bike now.

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Joint bolt washers #90545-300-000 $1.60 ea

Joint bolt #90145-300-010 $4.30

Master cylinder rebuild kit #45530-377-305 $29.00