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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2007, 08:56:03 PM »
Do ANY of the American cars have the Quality control and dependability of the Japanese types.

Case in point:
1984 Toyota Celica Bought new, 130,000 miles, still dependable with routine maintenance.  New tires at 70,000, clutch at 110,000.  It does have a slow oil leak, front crank seal.

1989 IROC Camaro, 32,000 miles, I barely trust it to go to grocery store. It will display the Check engine light during the drive, if not the entire duration.
It's had 5 computer replacements, a blown head gasket, unless on the freeway, the engine acts like its ready for cooking grill duty.  Longest period of time without required parts replacement, 5000 miles.  Paint lasted 5-7 years less than the Toyota, both metallic.

Fun car when it runs.
But, general motors can eat my shorts without tabasco sauce. >:(






94 saturn sw1 automatic trans, 436 k miles trans is still like new, no leaks, no smoke. gets 37mpg at 80mph

Impressive.  I can't get 37 in my Cavalier even if I drive the speed limit.  That doesn't happen very often. :)  The Cavalier isn't pretty but it gets the job done.  It's almost to 182,000 miles although it has had some transmission work, a couple clutches and a mysterious ECM failure that left me on the side of the interstate for a few hours.  I'd blame the clutches on my driving style rather than design or manufacturing. :P

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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2007, 10:08:44 AM »
Things have changed since the 80's.  People need to get over that dark time in American autos.  American cars did truly suck from about 1974-1990(ish).  Things are different now.  I've bought nothing but American cars (ok, just Fords) since 1989 and I've never had a problem.  My most recent purchase I would classify as pseudo-American though.  It's a Lincoln LS, closer to being a Jag than a Lincoln but I love it and no problems.  It does however have a bit of a bad reputation (what Brit car doesn't) for problems.  Guess I got lucky. 
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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2007, 02:13:10 PM »
My neighbor has an extended auto warranty business.  He has to be VERY familiar with which cars have problems and which ones don't. I notice that there are TWO Hondas in his garage.  'Nuff said.

Speaking of Hondas;  I like the top one in the picture.  I would buy it today, just based on looks.  I really like the round plastic tank medallion (notice my avitar).  That bike would make me give up my Interceptor.

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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2007, 10:27:11 AM »
So, you guys are telling me that my $20k gift to GM for an unreliable vehicle should be disregarded and that they deserve another $20k plus to change my mind?

Perhaps you'd like to explain why Consumer Report's reliability statistics for 1997-2006 STILL highly favor the Japanese cars for reliability and STILL list most of the American cars as the most prone to require maintenance?
The Lincoln Town Car, Chevy Prizm, Pontiac Vibe, and the Buick Regal are the only exceptions in the most reliable category.  The rest of the list of sixty are Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Lexus, Subaru, and Mazda.

The worst list (38), shows 15 GM models + 4 more American models.  One infinity model and a couple of Nissan trucks made the bad list,  The rest were BMW, Mercedes, and a bunch of VWs.  The much longer list of worse than average cars features a predominantly US MFG car by far including Saturn vehicles, though Honda's passport did make the list.

Sure seems like many of you guys have acquired exceptions to the norm.   I'm happy for you.

I should note that I used to highly favor American made cars.  The Toyota purchase was a wife influenced decision, and has mostly been "her" car.  But, the 90 Mazda gift from the Mother-in-law, has proved to be just as exemplary for reliability as the Toyota, to my surprise.  The Camaro continues to be a MAJOR disappointment, and the stats currently seem to indicate a personal money gamble on a US motor company.

Best of luck to you guys!  You sure don't want mine of late in the auto purchase category!


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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2007, 12:53:27 PM »
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Pontiac Vibe

The Pontiac Vibe gets its reliability from the fact that it was engineered by a joint Toyota/Pontiac task force.  It comes off the same production line as the Toyota Matrix.

Toyota has the least amount of manufacturing defects in the industry because of their Poka-yoke or loosely translated "mistake-proofing" processes. The concept was originated by Shigeo Shingo as part of the Toyota Production System.  The semiconductor manufacturing company I work for has instituted this process as have many industrial manufacturers.  Here's a great wikipedia article on it ----> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poka-yoke

This is the sole reason that Toyota consistently has fewer failures per million units than any other mega-manufacturer.  Other manufacturers that have adopted this system a long time ago like Honda also excel in manufacturing quality vehicles at a reasonable cost. 

My wife and I sold her 1990 civic hatchback not long ago.  215K miles and it still had the original clutch.  I only had to replace tires, muffler, shocks (frost heaves in Maine are a killer), and sparkplugs.
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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2007, 01:15:47 PM »
all the vibe really is is a matrix with pontiac badges..just as the Wave/Aveo are really a rebadged Daewoo Kalos...Sorry..if im buyin an import im buying the base model that GM butchred with their badges not the GM variant. Never did feel that safe in the 05 wave i had for a few months...Felt safer on my bike then in the car. Nowadays i roll in an 89 Sierra SL long box...a good old dependable truck that is still mostly made out of steel. Mine must be the exception as well given it has been great for me thus far as well as the simple fact it has over 315000 kms on it and seems to have a ton of the original parts still on it...
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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2007, 09:01:12 PM »
I have owned many vehicles of many different marques (including several Ford/Lincoln/Mercury ranging from 1970 on up to 2006, 3 Japanese, 1 German and 2 British marques [both British Leyland managed - not Ford]) over the years, but the most reliable vehicles I have ever owned have been Ford/Lincoln/Mercury, by a very large margin.  The easiest to work on was a late '80's Toyota Corolla FX16 GT-S.

I have specifically avoided reporting negative experiences that I've had with other marques, as I'd rather not make owners of those marques feel bad about their major purchase decisions.

Also, Mazda is a Ford company.  Several vehicles are shared between Ford and Mazda with only minor styling differences and re-badging.  Any reported difference in quality between these Ford and Mazda vehicles clearly demonstrates that there are factors other than quality at play in Consumer Reports.  Perhaps the Mazda dealers have better trained technicians?  Perhaps the Mazda dealers have better trained service managers who are more pursuasive?  Perhaps people who pay the premium for Japanese cars (yes, models from Mazda cost significantly more than their identical Ford-badged counterparts, both new and in terms of resale value) really want to believe that their cars are superior?  Perhaps the poor reputation of '80s American cars has led publishers to be more critical of American vehicles in general?  Perhaps American car buyers are more critical, expect more, and bring their cars back to the dealers for minor issues more than other marques?  Think "cheap, yet picky b@stards", just like me.

Another thing to consider.  Feb 2006, I went to the Toyota dealer to look at a Toyota Highlander after I had already seen the Ford Freestyle SEL (top of the line, with DVD entertainment system, AWD, etc., etc.).  My goal was to lease a vehicle.  Ford had offered $355/mo. with $0 down, including ALL maintenance, and a full bumper-to-bumper warranty, including regular wear and tear items.  Toyota wanted $469/mo. with $2000 down for the comparable, but somewhat more cramped and less well equipped 2WD Highlander, without the fancy DVD entertainment package.  When I began to negotiate with the salesman, he said, "oh yeah, Ford is just giving them away".  He also said, "Toyota doesn't need to negotiate, as these are flying off the showroom floor".  So, I went with the Ford, since Ford was "giving them away".

So, my question is, why should I care about Toyota's reliability hype and pay a premium for a LEASED Toyota, when the warranty is exactly the same as Ford's, but the Ford lease includes regular maintenance, including regular wear items, such as tires and brakes?  Regardless of "reputation", both cars will be equally reliable for the duration of the lease (the first three years of the vehicle's life, and the length of the warranty).  Also, with Toyota's high resale value, why would anyone with any sense pay $6104.00 more (plus regular maintenance and wear items like brakes and tires) over 36 months for a leased Toyota than for a much better equipped, much more comfortable Ford with a lower resale value?  So, leasing the Ford instead of the Toyota was a no-brainer.  It was FAR WISER to lease the Ford.  In fact, I sometimes wish I had waited for the Lincoln MKX, as it is just SO MUCH nicer than anything in the class, that I feel I have missed out, even though I did save some money with the Freestyle.
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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2007, 11:12:28 PM »
i bought a 2002 Toyota celica brand spanking new.i just hit 100,00 km a couple of weeks ago.
the only problem i ever had was the passanger seat belt wouldn't lock after about three months.they replaced it and everything is aces. i would buy another Toyota product with out question.
oh and the bottom bike is pretty nice 8)
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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2007, 07:07:50 PM »
Well, knock on wood... For my business I drive two old fords.  A '78 E350 van w/ a 351W and a '79 f100 shortbed w/ a 351W put in by PO.  They've seen a lot of use and some abuse (thats why they look so rough) but, they are solid!  I've also done pretty regular maintenance on them, and have gotten good replacement parts when needed, and they both seem to just keep on trucking.  No major problems yet, but the f100 needs a carb rebuild and probably some headwork.  The great thing is I only spent around $300 to get them both.  My wife drives a 2005 subaru outback and before that she had a '90 subaru legacy wagon. I liked working on the old suby but this new one is a little over my head!  neither of those ever had major issues either.

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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2007, 01:54:36 PM »
Yes, I can testify to the durability of old Ford trucks.  I've had a 72 F100 since 75.  I've been thinking of painting it pink like the energizer bunny.  Pretty darn reliable.  Too bad it only gets 12-15 MPG.  Ford doesn't even have the production line it was made at anymore, having closed it many many years ago.  I can't even imagine they'd have a similar recipe for newer trucks.
CR data classifies the 97-06 Ford trucks below average for reliability.  Except for the Ranger, which is a re-badged Mazda B series, rated average.
At least the ranger gets better mileage (about 20 mpg) than the 150 series (14-15 mpg).

Think I'll keep my truck.  ;D

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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2007, 04:25:09 PM »
Yea the old trucks from the 70s and early 80s are some durable rigs to work with. I would love to have another D100 dodge like the one i had in high school..318...4 speed from a slant six..made for some very interesting driving experiences lol. Dare i mention the truck had the same orange as the General Lee?? Im pretty sure that thing must have thought it was the general with the amount of times i got it air borne and yet it came back for more no matter what i put it through..
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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2007, 06:37:15 PM »
....you people own *gasp* cars? Vile heathens.
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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2007, 05:45:55 AM »
Truck here...but it has its use...like hauling the two wheeled rides around like kings lol
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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2007, 06:29:52 AM »
I'm driving a '98 Ranger right now with 150,000 miles and it has absolutely no work done to it other than spark plugs, tires, etc. I used to drive a '79 F250 with a 400M out of a Torino GT. The engine had greater than 400k on it, through the life of 6 vehicles (all of which were either wrecked or burned). It's only had a carb cleaning, plugs changed and oil regularly changed. I've driven a few Hondas and Toyotas, and while they may be reliable, I think it was mostly due to their simplicity (hence the "tin can" moniker they had).

However, other than the Ranger, everything I've owned/driven were '86 or older. The '80 Subaru is a perfect example of simplicity and reliability. Even at 413k miles, it just didn't have very much to break down.

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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2007, 09:31:44 AM »
Cagers talking about how reliable their cars are. Pathetic!  ;)
Why waste your breath on talking about cars, when you could be emailing Honda right now to ask them to build these bikes!!

I just saw a more detailed picture of that CB1100R in a magazine, and it looks pretty real to me. I know it's a concept, but usually concepts look more or less "unbuildable". This one looks like it could go into production tomorrow.
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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2007, 09:42:18 AM »
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Cagers talking about how reliable their cars are. Pathetic! 
Why waste your breath on talking about cars, when you could be emailing Honda right now to ask them to build these bikes!!

I just saw a more detailed picture of that CB1100R in a magazine, and it looks pretty real to me. I know it's a concept, but usually concepts look more or less "unbuildable". This one looks like it could go into production tomorrow.
I hope it does.

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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2007, 12:38:30 PM »
OK, being I was one of the ones who help steer this thread even further off course, I will email Honda today!  I encourage others to do the same.  I also plan on thanking them for their continued support of the older SOHC's while I'm at it.
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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2007, 01:26:21 PM »
What's the e-mail address?  I'd love to see that 1100F get built.

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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2007, 01:33:38 PM »
can't seem to find an email I guess a real letter would be in order...

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Re: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R
« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2007, 01:40:16 PM »
Cool.

41 replies and we're finally back to the subject.  8)
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