Topic: New Honda Concept Models 1100 F and R

[UnCrash]

Sweet Jehosefat!

Honda's going retro racing and I want one!

[Joel]

Where can I get the bottom one?

[medic09]

Sweet Jehosefat!

Honda's going retro racing and I want one!

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You notice the flaw, though?  They're double overhead cam.  Shucks. 

[jevfro]

I want the bottom one too!  It would be better in a single OHC though...    Really what are the benifits of two cams? (I know probably a stupid question)  is 2 just better than one?  Any idea when, or if these will be available (not that I could afford one )?

[SteveD CB500F]

If they want to sell them in Europe they will have to be fuel injected to meet the emission laws. To get the power up to the level required by the "market" (for an 1100 that would have to be 110-130 bhp for a naked bike), they'd have to be twin cam 4 valve etc.

[ProTeal55]

Are these going to be available in the USA ?

[UnCrash]

Are these going to be available in the USA ?

I'm not sure, I was trolling for new model info and came across this on TotalMotorcycle.com.

They say that they'll have more information next week...

[SteveD CB500F]

Serious question.

Why would Honda bother when Suzuki have deleted the GSX1400 as it can't meet the emission rules, the Yam XJR1300 is a dog and the Bandit 1250 is now water cooled.?

They have the CBF thou and the CB1300 already.

[dusterdude]

steve,i havent heard of nor seen a 1300 over here,that would be nice

[SteveD CB500F]

It looks like this



Test:

http://www.superbike.co.uk/tests/Superbike_Honda_CB1300_test_report_news_69197.html

[dusterdude]

that must be a european only model.

[ProTeal55]

Would make sense for Honda to come out with a bike to go head to head with the Thructon and Ducati sport classic (just like the Chrager/Camaro/Mustang "retro" battle that is going on now)..

And on that note live it up now DusterDude, becasue u and I both know as SOON as the new Camaro hits the streets that little charger is gonna run and hide !

[jdawg]

Not to hijak...  but....

Proteal is right about the Camaro. I can't tell how or why I know, but there will be models of the Camaro that will give 'vettes a run for there money. The DCX R/T's won't stand a chance and the SRT will be in trouble for sure. I'd get fired for saying anymore. Sorry.

- Jdawg

[hopterfixer]

My jaw actually dropped when I saw those bikes.  I need to start saving up/donating plasma.   

[bill440cars]

Would make sense for Honda to come out with a bike to go head to head with the Thructon and Ducati sport classic (just like the Chrager/Camaro/Mustang "retro" battle that is going on now)..

And on that note live it up now DusterDude, becasue u and I both know as SOON as the new Camaro hits the streets that little charger is gonna run and hide !

          Uh, excuse me! Charger? I don't think the Charger will pose a problem BUT I don't guess you've heard about the Challenger, huh? Now,I'm not saying that anyone's going to "run and hide", I'm simply saying, Let's just wait and see how it turns out.

                            Later on, Bill  

     

[DarkRider]

Yea the new Challenger looks like it simply just bided its time since the original muscle car wars and evolved into a major player during that time...what is a pity is the fact that the plymouth brand isnt around anymore to have a Cuda counterpart to the Challenger..

[bill440cars]

       Sorry about the hijack guys, just this one shot and I'll be gone.

         

[SteveD CB500F]

Bloody American cars...     

[DarkRider]

The Challenger is the only car that has a chance of makin me a mopar owner again...otherwise its bowties for life here lol...

[TwoTired]

Do ANY of the American cars have the Quality control and dependability of the Japanese types.

Case in point:
1984 Toyota Celica Bought new, 130,000 miles, still dependable with routine maintenance.  New tires at 70,000, clutch at 110,000.  It does have a slow oil leak, front crank seal.

1989 IROC Camaro, 32,000 miles, I barely trust it to go to grocery store. It will display the Check engine light during the drive, if not the entire duration.
It's had 5 computer replacements, a blown head gasket, unless on the freeway, the engine acts like its ready for cooking grill duty.  Longest period of time without required parts replacement, 5000 miles.  Paint lasted 5-7 years less than the Toyota, both metallic.

Fun car when it runs.
But, general motors can eat my shorts without tabasco sauce.

[Bob Wessner]

Recently is has been reported that the U.S. cars have improved. They are now somewhere in the middle of the pack.. generally. My wife and I both drive Honda CRV's, mine a 2000, her's a 2002. Both have close to 120,000 mi. on them. The only problem we ever had was a roughness in my wife's. We took it in and it was diagnosed as needing a new timing chain. Seems they switched from a belt on mine to a chain on hers. Anyway, the estimated cost to replace (had 95,000 mi on it the time) was $700, along with some other routine maint. The dealer offered to split the cost. I wonder how many U.S. dealers would do that.

As a side note, when I was still working I was involved in some networking schemes wherein the U.S. autos wanted to somehow merge the health care business with their network connecting them with their parts suppliers. The network allowed the autos to share parts needs with the suppliers along with specks, drawings, etc. and the suppliers could bid. I sat in many a meeting and overheard comments that essentially boiled down to one thing, and one thing only, he who bids the lowest wins the contract. How many times have we heard about a $2 switch that became corroded and required a recall of hundreds of thousands of cars to correct when the possible $2.05 switch had sufficient protection to prevent such a recall. I can only imagine the cost of such a recall, and they are all too common. Unless the U.S. makers change their mentality........

Interestingly enough, some of the least reliable current models are high-end foreign.

[SteveD CB500F]

Seeing as this thread is thoroughly hijacked, I may as well continue...

The BBC's "Top Gear" programme runs an annual survey of the best and worst cars. Viewers complete a web form. This year 75,000-odd people responded (published in Feb07) www.topgear.com/content/carsurvey/2006/

Top 10

1 Honda S2000
For the third year in the trot, screaming VTEC power wins

2 Honda Jazz
Honda's yin and yang at the top of the table. Sensible, but great

3 Skoda Octavia
Old-gen Octavia, a masterpiece of dependability

4 Skoda Fabia
No fluke for Skoda, the Fabia is cheap and charming

5 Lexus RX300
Pseudo-SUV is so solid, and perfectly sorted by dealers too

6 Lexus IS200/300
Owners of the old-style IS are still smiling about Lexus service

7 Skoda Superb
Stretched Passat ranks 67 places above the original

8 Fiat Panda
A long awaited return to tiny car form for Fiat. Ciao bambino!

9 Mazda MX-5
The one before the MX-5 grew up on us. Still did the business

10 Jaguar XJ
All-aluminium XJ6 and 8 justify every penny of owners' outlay

Bottom 10

143 Renault Laguna
Last year's fourth from bottom car staggers up the table

144 Ford C-Max
Owners of Ford's other sports MAV say they're treated like dirt

145 Mercedes A-Class
Quite a claim: the old-shape A-Class is the UK's worst car to drive

146 Mercedes M-Class
Bottom placed two years ago, very nearly as miserable now

147 Peugeot 407
One of the newest cars in the survey falls at the first hurdle

148 Citroen C8
Near-identical twin MPV to the Peugeot 807, only just better

149 Renault Megane
A cute backside isn't enough distraction for the Megane's owners

150 Peugeot 307
No area of fit, finish or reliability ranks above awful for this heap

151 Renault Espace
As before, big MPVs like the Espace get the strongest kicking here

152 Peugeot 807
Falls down in every area. As satisfying as a dose of dysentery

[edbikerii]

A 1989 Chevy is certainly not the standard by which modern American cars should be judged.

My 2000 Ford Taurus has been excellent and reliable for over 70,000 miles.  Had one failed AC compressor due to my ex-wife's misunderstanding of the electronic climate controls, but nothing else of any consequence.

My 1994 Ford Probe has over 140,000 miles on it, with nothing more than a single clutch replacement, a starter, a CV boot, and regular maintenance according to the schedule.

My 2006 Ford Freestyle is an excellent vehicle which has had no failures whatsoever in 30,000 miles.

I won't bad-mouth other marques, but I've had plenty of bad experiences with foreign cars, both European and Japanese.

[fuzzybutt]

Do ANY of the American cars have the Quality control and dependability of the Japanese types.

Case in point:
1984 Toyota Celica Bought new, 130,000 miles, still dependable with routine maintenance.  New tires at 70,000, clutch at 110,000.  It does have a slow oil leak, front crank seal.

1989 IROC Camaro, 32,000 miles, I barely trust it to go to grocery store. It will display the Check engine light during the drive, if not the entire duration.
It's had 5 computer replacements, a blown head gasket, unless on the freeway, the engine acts like its ready for cooking grill duty.  Longest period of time without required parts replacement, 5000 miles.  Paint lasted 5-7 years less than the Toyota, both metallic.

Fun car when it runs.
But, general motors can eat my shorts without tabasco sauce.

94 saturn sw1 automatic trans, 436 k miles trans is still like new, no leaks, no smoke. gets 37mpg at 80mph

[USN20]

Do ANY of the American cars have the Quality control and dependability of the Japanese types.

I would say at least one does ...

The Ford Crown Victoria has a good quality / dependability reputation for an American made car. Ok, it's built (assembled) in Canada if that matters. My '99 Crown Vic went 160,000 miles before I traded it in on a new 2006 model. Aside from regularly scheduled maintenance, the most expensive repair was a power steering pump replacement. Perhaps that's why they are popular among taxi drivers, police officers, fleet users and old folks.